Hic un question pro nostre amicos in Scandinavia...
>I've certainly had a different name quoted to me from Scandinavian sources
>& the info I've received leads me to believe that what I say is correct -
>otherwise I wouldn't have said so.
>
>My guess - and it's _ONLY_ a guess - is that Interlingua, which does have a
>following in Scandinavia, has replaced Novial in more recent times.
>
Ray Brown del Lista Auxlang pensa que le activitate de Novial
(e Occidental) se deteniva con le secunde guerra mundial. E le
effortios interlinguistic deveniva reimplaciate per le nove
Interlingua de IALA in le 50's...
Io crede que ille dice isto proque forsan alcunos como Valter
Ahlsted se associa con le gruppos de Interlingua, como nos ha
apprendite...
Forsan alcun de nostre amicos Scandinave pote facer un responsa
a iste question ... ¿? Esque il ha alcun gruppos de Novialistas
active in alcun sito? (Io como Ray crede que le activitate del
Novialistas e Occidentalistas esseva incorporate al gruppos de
Interlingua, mais nos necessita alcun base de supporto pro pensar
illo).
Gratias,
Jay B.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond A. Brown <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list AUXLANG <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Monday, December 08, 1997 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Novial 28, Novial 30, New Novial, and Novial of the late 1930s.
>At 00:04 8/12/97, Bruce R. Gilson wrote:
>[....]
>>
>>The introduction of "naturalistic" spellings, with {c} and {th} and {ph},
the
>>replacement of Jespersen's identical infinitive and present by a system
which
>>adds -r to the infinitive, these to me imply a _significant_ difference,
which
>>to my eyes _are_ "as great as those between Interglossa & Glosa."
>
>Whether these differences are _significant_ or not is subjective, matter of
>opinion & IMO not worth arguing about.
>
>IIRC however the differences between Interglossa & Glosa are somewhat more
>than these (tho it's some while since I read "Interglossa"), so I don't
>find the comparison helpful or useful here.
>
>[....]
>>
>>"By some Scandinavian Novalists until (almost) the present day"? Other
than
>>Valter Ahlstedt, does Ray Brown know of other Scandinavian Novialists who
used
>>the language in recent years?
>
>I've certainly had a different name quoted to me from Scandinavian sources
>& the info I've received leads me to believe that what I say is correct -
>otherwise I wouldn't have said so.
>
>My guess - and it's _ONLY_ a guess - is that Interlingua, which does have a
>following in Scandinavia, has replaced Novial in more recent times.
>
>[.....]
>>
>>>i.e. -R is the infinitive ending a la Romance.
>>
>>Correct, but why is this relevant to a comparison of N38 with N30? I was
simply
>>referring to _changes_in_Novial_, not the source from which they are
derived.
>
>Yep - but unless I'm very much mistaken, the post-1930 changes were in the
>direction of _natural_ language usage. Therefore, it seems to me that any
>changes which were made, e.g. adding -R to form the infinitive, were done
>so because of the practice in some western European natural languages.
>
>Why, therefore, is it irrelevant to quote the natlang source? This seem a
>very petty quibble to me.
>
>>>>Thus it makes a distinc-
>>>>tion J thought unnecessary to make in N28/30. We choose to add the -r in
ALL
>>>>cases.
>>
>>>Not, however, I think in the preterite, where -d is the ending.
>>
>>I was referring to all cases where J used the bare form of the verb. Not
the
>>preterite, NOR the participles.
>
>Obviously not the participles, nor did I suggest it. But the Novial97 rule
>does produce a certain inelegance:
> Finite verb Infinitive
>PRESENT me skripter (I write) at skripter to write
>
>PRETERITE me skripted (I wrote) [at skripted ?SCIPSISSE]
>
>or is 'at skriptet' allowed in Novial97?
>
>[.....]
>>
>>"The tantalizing signals which appear from time to time" are not the
official
>>record of what we have done. Don Blaheta has taken over from Thomas Leigh
the
>>role of recording those. This record is available for all to see. I have
>>given the URL here, which should stand as an official invitation to look
for
>>yourself.
>
>Sorry - I hadn't realized that Don Blaheta's page was the _official_
>Novial97 page. Probably my fault. For the short time I was in the group
>you may recall that discussions & changes were _not_ being made public to
>avoid what was considered to be the inevitable flaming from EGE and others.
>I guess this has now changed.
>
>[.....]
>
>>Look at http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/novial/novial97.html please.
>
>Thanks for the URL
>
>Ray.
>
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