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Musa Jeng <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:36:19 -0500
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"Barrow, for the intellectual health of our country, we should stop this
nonsense of accepting wholesale what Halifa throws at us: These people are
smart indeed but not the smartest Gambians around. I, for one, know of
smarter Gambians who suffered more from the hands of the PPP but are not
fanatical obsessives who have dedicated their life to fighting only Jawara".

Hamjatta:

Is the discussion about the intellectual health of our country, or the restoration pf democracy and to halt
the human rights abuses in our country. "Halifa and being the smartest Gambians". Why are you so obsessed
with intellectual prowess and being the smartest, especially when it comes to Halifa.(See your own statements
from above quotation) Do you really believe that people support PDOIS/Halifa because of their intellectual
might, whatever that is, and not to their total dedication and commitment to the plight of our nation. Do you
suffer from the "Small penis inferiority complex" to Halifa's intellectual might that you cannot wait to
pounce on that vein, and accused anyone  who dare support him for being a programmed fanatic .Guess what,
people support PDOIS not because of ...your obsession to this intellectual nonsence, but their life long
commitment to their beliefs and love of country that no person that I know of in the Gambia has ever
displayed.

Musa Jeng

> Barrow,
> As an honest PDOIS supporter, i welcome your forthright views. No one
> [certainly not me or Dampha] has a problem with PDOIS doing what they deem
> fit for them. The latest exchange is not based so much on their hostility
> towards the mov't or the London Briefings but the irresponsible and cynical
> nonsense and plainly erroneous stuff inherent in their response. PDOIS
> caricatured the meeting as instigated by "refugees" and former PPP officials
> in the UK. This is just plain nonsense. Let's get stuff straight here:
> Bahoum, who chairs the mov't sympathises with PDOIS and indeed informs me
> that he has always voted for them; Ndey Jobarteh also on the executive of
> mov't is sympathetic to PDOIS; Malick Kah who has been invited on the mov't's
> executive and did in fact attend a meeting and was made aware of developments
> is a PDOIS operative and reporter; Olly-Mboge certainly is a supporter of
> PDOIS and very active within the mov't; i was once upon a time a supporter of
> PDOIS. None of the aforementioned members [who are still on this List] are
> "refugees" in the UK and have no links whatsoever with the PPP. Be that as it
> may, this mov't is non-partisan and shouldn't comprise just members of
> PDOIS;those who are of other affiliations shouldn't be barred membership if
> their intention is to further the interest of the Gambia. Are people suddenly
> telling me that the Gambia belongs to only PDOIS supporters?
>  I noticed also how Chongan's name is bandied about cynically as a former PPP
> operative thus the PPP penetration of the mov't. The mov't as i tirelessly
> try to point out to people, is a braod church of Gambians as diverse as the
> country itself. This nonsense about Chongan has got to stop. People like Sam
> Sarr and indeed, the leadership of PDOIS know what Chongan did for them
> whilst he was a Deputy Inspector General of Police. Chongan would often go
> out of his way and in ways that could lose him his job by giving permits to
> the PDOIS to hold rallies. Chongan as a former DIGP, was an employee of the
> State and NOT working for the PPP just as people like Sanna Sabally, Sadibou
> Hydara, Edward Singhateh and Yaya Jammeh were when they were guarding Jawara
> and defending the sovereign integrity of the Gambia. I notice people cannot
> even tell the difference between the State and the gov't; just about tells
> the level of our political maturity.
> As you rightly pointed out, Gambia is faced with extinction as a functioning
> state left un-attended and what is needed at this stage is the technocratic
> politics of pragmatism and Realpolitik. This is not achievable when we hang
> onto ideals that can only derail any coalescing of efforts to bring sanity
> back to that country. Gambia's immediate problem is not that of haggling over
> ideals and irrelevant political philosophies but basics like bringing a
> degree of normalcy in the country so that opposing political philosophies can
> operate alongside each other without intolerance from any party. The Gambia
> is teetering precariously on the brink of anarchy; the ingredients are all
> there for people to see. This is what we should be focussed on and not such
> academic stuff like what could have been and what was.
> By all means let PDOIS "do their own thing"; no one has a beef with that as
> such. What is unacceptable is for them to decline an invitation to attend a
> meeting and then turn around caricature those who attended/instigated that
> meeting and write erroneous stuff about them. Test this tortured logic from
> them: Does it make any sense for Gambian "refugees" to call a meeting about
> their welfare in the UK in which Gambian MPs would be invited to give
> briefings about the situation in the Gambia? Do you see how ridiculous and
> down right nonsensical the PDOIS reasoning is. The meeting as i keep saying
> is to sensitise a rather indifferent British gov't and indeed the general
> public about the tragedy unfolding in that country. Do you honestly believe
> that left to the passive, low-risk and soft criticisms of Halifa in the form
> of posh letters that Jammeh would be informed by the donor community that he
> has got tolerate the opposition or else he can forget all the aid coming from
> the int'l community? Much to the chagrin of Halifa/PDOIS, the meeting
> achieved something they have never been able to show for all their servile
> relationship with Jammeh. In the very end, it is the right of PDOIS to be
> reduced to being merely a rump of irrelevant have-beens and an appendage of
> the APRC. That is their problem. But if they start ridiculing people's
> efforts, then it will be tit for tat. It is only tragic that the PDOIS of
> 1987 is now officially an endangered species. I wonder who are the
> appropriate authorities to get in touch with before it is too late to rescue
> the party. Perhaps you or else can aid me on that score.
> I noticed also the re-surfacing of the programmed fanatic virus on the List.
> Programmed fanatics and side-show twiddlers like Musa Jeng - who never ceases
> to amaze me with his twerpish outbursts - only helped confirm to me an
> argument forwarded by the biologist, Richard Dawkin, that "ideas spread mind
> to mind much as viruses spread from host to host". When i first read this, i
> said it is simply froth. However, i owe Dawkins an apology and will write to
> him today and offer my apologies. For those who think they are immune to this
> programmed fanatic virus, think twice and install your Norton Anti-Virus
> Softwares: A Saint Halifa in the Diocese of Chuchill's Town can still spread
> that virus right through the WWW. Be cynical and laugh at this assertion as
> froth as i once did to Dawkin. Can't say you've been warned.
> Barrow, for the intellectual health of our country, we should stop this
> nonsense of accepting wholesale what Halifa throws at us: These people are
> smart indeed but not the smartest Gambians around. I, for one, know of
> smarter Gambians who suffered more from the hands of the PPP but are not
> fanatical obsessives who have dedicated their life to fighting only Jawara.
> Can you one for second believe this outrageous rambling from Halifa: " In
> fact, Jawara is lucky that he had Hamat Bah Bah instead of a PDOIS
> representative present." Do you see why i always say that Halifa, albeit all
> the pretense, is very arrogant and NOT a humble person. Well, i'll say this
> to him in repartee to the quote above: " In fact, Jammeh is lucky to have a
> namby-pamby critic like Halifa; so he can rest assure the ride to the next
> election victory is a done deal."
> In the very end - and this is by gauging the attacks i get from programmed
> fanatics - Keynes was right when he remarked that stupidity inflicts more
> damage on already human misery than evil. Finally, i'll use this message as a
> server to inform those blind fanatics who think personally attacking Hamjatta
> is making a difference to have a rethink: We can either engage in a decent
> exchange on the crucial issues or all hell break loose on this List. The
> choice is theirs. We have always stated where we are coming from. My quarrels
> with Halifa is not private and political. If it is the former, i'll write
> privately to him to quarrel with him in private. Yes, PDOIS has the absolute
> right to do as they see fit just as others are entitled to such rights. If
> they caricature people's decent effort, they are asking for it. Again, we can
> keep either keep it decent or this place turns topsy-turvy.
> Best wishes,
>
> Hamjatta - Kanteh
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