Hi Hamjatta!
                    I apologise again for the delay in replying. Personal commitments have made it difficult to respond earlier. You have asked some questions which I'll respond to. When you asked for an example of where I differed with PDOIS and I didn't respond because of the "humour" thing, you accused me of trying to wriggle out of answering the question. I asked you several questions in my last post which you have not answered. I will not accuse you of trying to wriggle out  of answering them. I'll just blame it on oversight. I will therefore rewrite the questions as clearly as I can and hope that you will answer them.

Find below the answers to your questions as quotations of what you wrote earlier. I will in this instance not go to the archives lest the post gets too long. I'll for the time being just quote from your post that generated this current debate between us titled " Old & Decisively Repudiated Ideas Recycled Anew". 

"1. Where i categorical condemned co-ops;
  2. Where i said i'm opposed to PDOIS implementing these co-ops;"
  3. Where i've condemned state enterprise  - categorically?"

Answer: "But PDOIS would have none of it. Instead, they are ready to wager the
Gambia's economic future to tested and failed State contrived collectivisation that even Lenin and Stalin in their infinite lunacy wouldn't dare impose on Russians in this day and age. Perhaps, PDOIS takes its cue from the stubborn-ness of the North Korean dictatorship to continue with the same economic nonsense that continues to register zero economic growth and abject poverty for the masses they have literally forced against their wills into these State contrived cooperative societies. "


Answer: "The current spate of the outbreak of the programmed fanatic virus affirms
just what Krugman's government economist told him. Just when we thought that
decisively repudiated economics like State contrived agricultural
collectivisation is dead and buried, programmed fanatics are busy and
doggedly marketing the idea anew. And, be it noted, most of the economic
nonsense now being recycled anew has been dealt with comprehensively in an
earlier essay on PDOIS' economic agenda; and one would assume then that they
would at least have the decency to go back to the drawing board again to
reformulate and rethink policy. Rather, the party unabashedly brought to the
fore again the same economic nonsense i have earlier debunked effectively."

Now that I have provided you with answers to your questions, please answer my questions. They are:

1. (a) Who carried out the rational disinterested study you talked about? 
(b) Was it you? 
(c) If it was you, can you truly say it was disinterested? 
(d) Was it carried out on the PDOIS model or other communist or socialist models such as the USSR, East Germany, North Korea etc.?
(e) How did you come to apply it to PDOIS? What criteria did you use?

2. Which views have been repudiated by vast swathes of evidence? Socialism? Co-operatives?

3. (a) Do you know how a PDOIS government is going to handle the creation and
management of co-operatives?
   (b) Did they say anywhere that they are going to create a co-operative completely owned and managed by the state?
   (c) If you do not know the answers to these questions, would you agree that your statements in earlier posts (see some of the quotaions in the "answer" sections above)  in relation to these issues are based on guessing and speculation on your part? If you do not agree, why not?

4. (a) Have you read anywhere that PDOIS is going to emulate the Bakau gardens? I repeat this question because you have attributed it to them. 
    (b) If you have no knowledge of their having said such, would you then confess that you wrongfully attributed a statement to them? 
    (c) Were you guessing or speculating when you wrote that they will have "cooperative societies like the ones you find in Bakau where women have their horticultural gardens"?

5. (a) Is the central plank of PDOIS' economic program "ala the cooperative economics of the Bakau Horticultural Gardens" as you wrote somewhere or is the"central plank in PDOIS' Economic Programme ... the type you have never seen wholly implemented in the Gambia before - even if in practice, it rhymes with some key elements of the PPP's economic edifice or strategy, especially as it relates to agriculture" as you wrote somewhere else?
    (b) How did you arrive at such a conclusion?
    (c) Was the PPP's economic program limited to horticultural gardens á la Bakau?
    (d) If it was wider, how can you say that the central plank is similar to the PPP's and narrow PDOIS' down to horticultural gardens?
    (e) Isn't this contradictory? If you do not agree, why not?

6. (a) Where did PDOIS indicate that their policy in relation to co-ops is going to be centred around the urban areas? 
    (b) If you have not read anywhere where they stated that their policy in relation to co-ops is going to be centred around the urban areas, were you guessing or speculating when you wrote that "their argument takes as a given that there are enough arable land in the urban areas to accomodate the replication of such a policy application"?
    (c) If you were not guessing, what did you base your statement on?
    (d) Don't you think that the current economic inactivity or lack of gainful employment opportunities is the driving force behind the migration to the urban areas as is the case the world over?
    (e) Don't you think that the migration to the urban areas will be curbed or reduced if improved economic opportunities are made available in the rural areas? If not, please quantify.

7. (a) Do you know how they plan to implement these co-operative projects? Do you know if they are going to replicate the same produce using the same structures all over the country or if they are going to organise specialist co-operatives that plant different produce in order to avoid duplication and the attendant glut? If you don't know, were you guessing or speculating when you wrote: "when gardens are decentralised and replicated on the scale thay they are arguing, they will invariably result to diseconomies of scale "?

As per the quotations, I'll currently accept what you say they prove. Have a good weekend. Thanks.
                                                                                                                            Buharry.

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