Cornilius 
how about jewish loan sharks  who suck our blood with triple interests in the name of helping poor nations in a place called the world bank.
philantrophy is not to be based on muslims who cheat or jews who rape and kill innocent civilians while they are sleeping or place cluster booby trap bombs for children to be blown up
Charity is for the sake of one self and God  . people of all nationalities and religion have cheats just as jews and christians and muslims do .just look at our leaders , Start with Sharon , mobutu, Taylor , GW Bush or Cheney to name a few.
all nations have good and bad so i would not  condone singling out muslims alone
take care
habib
ps thanks sister Jabou for calling a spade a spade 



> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:15:37 +0200> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology> To: [log in to unmask]> > "and how you are the generous philantrophist helping out Muslims in > trouble and giving alms to Muslims who cheat you."> > The lesson I learned from this is that to do something sincerely in the belief that this is what the ALmighty wants, brings a blessing, that is all.> > Do you have the heart to discern other hearts?> > > From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]>> > Date: 2007/05/30 on PM 04:17:54 CEST> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Ämne: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology> > > > Cornelius,> > There are two concepts I would like to present before > > going fyrther. They are:> > > > 1. ?Perception management? - a "term used to describe the process of > > transforming public opinion to conform to a premeditated political > > agenda."> > 2. Doublethink which is ?? the power of holding two contradictory > > beliefs in one?s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ? To > > tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them?. (http://www.> > globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5058) I shall come back to > > them later.> > > > In your attempt to appear an innocent fighter against racism and anti-> > semiticism, you sent a list of articles that I forwarded and claimed to > > be "responding to some of the anti-Semitic and downright racist anti-> > Zionist articles" that I posted. Before posting anything about Israel, > > I posted various articles dealing with propaganda, anti-imperialism > > etc. for those who are interested to read and those who are not to > > delete. Some of these articles were:> > > > - Conflict Diamonds: "A Linguistic Deception" > > - Understanding Empire: Hierarchy, Networks and Clients > > - Blair's legacy: Militarism a broad, social devastation at home > > - Deconstructing the Founding Myths of France's Greatness > > - Fascist America, in 10 easy steps > > - Freedom of Expression in an Era of State Terror > > - No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly > > are a very uncivilised bunch > > - Propaganda and the Politics of Perception> > - The Battle over Zimbabwe's Future> > - Bush and Islam: Words versus Deeds > > - Fidel Castro - The Internationalization of Genocide: Transforming > > Food into Fuel > > - THE FBI'S COVERT ACTION PROGRAM TO DESTROY THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY > > > > and other articles. You stayed mute and didn't even lift an eyelid. > > When I sent "Palestine & Israel: Know and Understand The Facts And > > Decide For Yourself ", the Zionist in you arose and you responded and I > > ignored you. My aim was not to send various articles about Israel but > > just to send articles relating to Panafricanism, neocolonism, > > imperialism etc. Kabir posted something about Israel and you responded. > > You tried to use the concept of perception management to try to form a > > favourable public opinion about Israel and Zionism. I did not want to > > get in direct contact with you and posted another article countering > > what you tried to portray. You posted something about Zionism not being > > racist and I sent something to counter that. You sent something about > > Israel being a democracy and I sent an article presenting another view. > > You see, you conveniently try to assert that I, suddenly and out of the > > blue, just started throwing these articles around with racist intent. > > The two concepts of "victim mentality" and "racism labelling" employed > > by Zionists to make gullible people and European and American sponsors > > of genocide scared to talk about Israel and what it does wrong will not > > work here. Do you think you have a right to make comments about France, > > Gambia, Sierra Leone etc. but we don't have a right to comment on > > Israel? You are not an innocent victim in this case and I don't care > > if you tie the racism label on me. You can do it until the cows come > > home and I wouldn't care and it wouldn't deter me from expressing my > > view about injustice be it in Israel, Sweden, Germany, America or > > Timbuktoo. Habib and Jabou have told you that people are not > > criticising Judaism as a religion or Jews as a people because that > > would be downright narrowmindedness. There are very decent and nice > > Jews just as are within other races and peoples and I do know some. > > What we have a problem with is the concept of Zionist racism. Do you > > see the difference or are you going to stick to the old Zionist "blur > > the landscape" concept of blurring the two and trying to hang the anti-> > semiticism label on anyoneone who dares say anything about Zionism and > > Israel? There are many Jews who are anti-Zionist. Some of articles I > > forwarded are written be Jews. One is written by an Israeli former > > Minister of Education? Is she anti-semitic? Aren't Arabs semites? How > > about your derogatory references to them? Are you anti-semitic? Here > > are a few links to Jews against Zionism websites: (http://www.> > jewsagainstzionism.com/ , http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ , http://www.> > nkusa.org/ , http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org , http://www.yesh-> > gvul.org/english.html and many more.> > > > In you application of the concept of "doublethink", you wrote:> > > > - "I have not been trying to defend anything" whilst defending Zionism > > and Israeli policies towards Palestinians most of which are very > > dehumanising.> > - "I have never criticized Islam either, not the religion Islam" and > > wrote: > > * "Militarism is therefore an ideal that Muslims follow, with the > > Prophet of Islam (S. A. W.) and Imam Ali (A.S.) as role model and this > > overemphasis on Jihad "> > * "One State, which the Dawa Party - four wives per man, full time, > > would overpopulate within one generation. Shall we leave it there?"> > * "What is the point of blowing innocent people up and going to hell > > in the process of creating a so called Islamic State?"> > * "The Jews are praying for peace all the Time. The SIDDUR is full of > > prayers for peace:................................ I have never heard > > or read a Muslim prayer for peace, since I was born, till now. > > Prayers for ?VICTORY over the unbelieving folk?, yes but peace? Never > > heard."> > * I find it a little disturbing, that the military agenda is at the > > top of Muslim?s political agenda?. "> > * Others would like to wipe out the ideological basis of terrorism. > > Yet others would like to wipe out terrorists/ their enemies??"> > * "There is always the divide and rule factor and the Shia/ Sunni > > dichotomy in Islam, provides that kind of balance ? if it comes to > > nuclear weapons too, an equilibrium of terror from both sides of the > > qibla."> > * "HAMAS has an Islamic agenda (does not seem to be taking the > > precedent of the Treaty of Hudaibiya, as seriously as one had hoped. > > Perhaps the Islamists will try to retake Spain this century ? all based > > on Dar al -Islam, who knows?)"> > * "The devil also has mass followers and recruits suicide bombers, > > officiates at literary bonfires, and does not want the real > > Prophets......."> > > > Should I continue? You see how you are speaking from both sides of > > your mouth? You see how you are professing to believe one thing and > > saying something completely different? You see how you keep > > contradicting yourself? You see how the contempt you have for Muslims > > keeps seeping through in your statements? You see how you try to > > convince us that you are an ok guy with a lot of Muslim friends whilst > > inadvertently betraying your true feelings through careless remarks?> > Another fib (we nickname it "ehem" in Gambia) you told was when you > > wrote:> > > > "The Arabs were able to persuade their South of the Sahara African > > brothers that ?Zionism is racism? probably with the help of some petro-> > dollars to grease the usual palms"> > > > This statement is not true and it is also derogatory because you are > > implying that black Africans are corrupt, cheap, without principles and > > can be bought. Isn't that racist? Find below the voting record of all > > the countries which voted for, against or abstained in that vote. Are > > Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Bulgaria, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist > > Republic, Cambodia, People's Republic of China, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, > > German Democratic Republic, Grenada, Guyana, Hungary, India, Indonesia, > > Iran, Laos, Malaysia, Maldives, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Pakistan, > > Poland, Portugal, Sri Lanka, Turkey and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist > > Republic, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics "South of the > > Sahara African brothers" with greased usual palms? You see how you try > > to "selmal" us? (pull a fast one on us). The following "South of Sahara > > African brothers" Central African Republic, Ivory Coast, Liberia, > > Malawi voted against and the following abstained: Botswana, Ethiopia, > > Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Lesotho, Sierra Leone, Togo, Upper Volta, Zaire, > > Zambia. Were their hands also "greased"? Who did the greasing? You see > > how you look?> > > > You wrote:> > > > "The Jews are praying for peace all the Time. The SIDDUR is full of > > prayers for peace:................................I have never heard or > > read a Muslim prayer for peace, since I was born, till now. Prayers for > > ?VICTORY over the unbelieving folk?, yes but peace? Never heard."> > > > You try to give the impression that Muslims don't pray for peace but > > only pray for victory basically because they are a warlike people. You > > know that that is not true but once in the doublespeak mode, no bounds > > are available. Here are a few Muslim prayers for peace:> > > > ** "O God! O our Master! You are eternal life and everlasting > > peace by Your essence and attributes. The everlasting peace is from You > > and it returns to You. O our Sustainer! Grant us the life of true peace > > and usher us into the abode of peace. O Glorious and Bounteous One! You > > are blessed and sublime.> > > > Allahumma ya mowlana antas-salaam, wa minkas-salaam, wa ilaika yarjaus-> > salaam, haiyyina rabbana bis-salaam, wa adkhilna daras-salaam, > > tabarakta rabbana wa-ta'laita, ya zal jalali wal ikram "> > > > ** In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. Praise be to > > the Lord of the Universe who has created us and made us into tribes and > > nations, that we may know each other, not that we may despise each > > other. If the enemy incline towards peace, do thou also incline towards > > peace, and trust in God, for the Lord is the one that heareth and > > knoweth all things. And the servants of God, Most Gracious are those > > who walk on the Earth in humility, and when we address them, we say > > "Peace." "> > > > ** "A Prayer for Brotherhood - The Believers are but a single > > Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two > > (contending) brothers; > > and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy." Al-Hujurat 49:10 | > > Source: The Qu'ran > > > > ** "Oh God, You Are Peace> > Oh God,> > You are peace.> > From you comes peace,> > To you returns peace.> > Revive us with a salutation of peace,> > And lead us to your abode of peace. "> > > > - Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) > > > > Are these prayers for war or victory over "unbeleieving folk"? You see > > how you have caught again? > > > > > > You wrote:> > > > "It is widely reported that one of the Prophet of Islam?s last wishes > > before he blessed the hereafter with his presence, was to rid the Hijaz > > of any Jewish presence. "> > > > I shall forward under separate cover Muhammad's (peace and blessings > > of Allah be upon him) dealings with the Jews and a treaty with them and > > others. You and fellow Zionists try to take the circumstances of over a > > thousand years ago and juxtapose them alongside conditions today and > > try to paint Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a > > violent person. I can point out many Jewish prophet's violence (eg., > > Moses, peace be upon him) and immorality but I cannot slander him and > > the other prophets because I am commanded by Islam to have high regards > > for them. The so-called "violence" perpetrated by Muhammad (peace and > > blessings of Allah be upon him) against Jews pales in comparison to > > what the Europeans did to them, what America and Israel have done to > > the Arabs and other people of the World. You see, you can't pull a fast > > one here either.> > > > Your haughtiness and sense of self-aggrandisement coupled with self-> > deception compel you write self-righteous applesauce such as:> > > > - "We are far too intelligent for that and even today I prefer the > > company of a good book (like Amos Oz?s ?A Tale of Love and Darkness?) > > to that of a lout."> > - "There is no war going on between US and Iraq."> > > > and how you are the generous philantrophist helping out Muslims in > > trouble and giving alms to Muslims who cheat you. Get your head out of > > the clouds and come back to earth man! Sitting on your high horse and > > narrating your life history is not interesting to me and probably many > > others. Through what you wrote, you stated some personal positions. I > > asked you questions relating to those. I am not interested in reading > > someone else's opinions about what they believe. If I wanted to know > > what Professor so and so thinks, i would have asked you Professor so > > and so thinks. I asked you questions. Either answer them or take the > > fifth for fear of incriminating and contradicting yourself but don't > > point me to any links because I am not going to click on them. The > > questions are there. You can answer one question per day or week if you > > want but give me your opinion and not someone else's. You also wrote: > > "much love". What I want from you is not love but honest answers to my > > questions or a refusal to answer them or silence.> > > > Buharry.> > > > > > P.S.> > There were typos in my previous posting, which I realised after > > sending it.> > > > D.S.> > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > > > ---the United Nations voted, 97 to 35> > Voting record> > > > Voting record Sponsored by: (25) Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Cuba, > > Dahomey, Egypt, Guinea, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libyan Arab > > Republic, Mauritania, Morocco, North Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, > > Somalia, South Yemen, Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, and United > > Arab Emirates.> > > > Voted yes: (72) The 25 sponsoring nations above, and additionally 47 > > nations: Albania, Bangladesh, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burundi, Byelorussian > > Soviet Socialist Republic, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Chad, > > People's Republic of China, Congo, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Equatorial > > Guinea, Gambia, German Democratic Republic, Grenada, Guinea-Bissau, > > Guyana, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Iran, Laos, Madagascar, Malaysia, > > Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, > > Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Rwanda, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sri > > Lanka, Tanzania, Turkey, Uganda, Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, > > and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.> > > > Voted no: (35) Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Canada, > > Central African Republic, Costa Rica, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El > > Salvador, Fiji, Finland, France, Federal Republic of Germany, Haiti, > > Honduras, Iceland, Republic of Ireland, Israel, Italy, Ivory Coast, > > Liberia, Luxembourg, Malawi, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, > > Norway, Panama, Swaziland, Sweden, United Kingdom of Great Britain and > > Northern Ireland, United States of America, Uruguay.> > > > Abstaining: (32) Argentina, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Burma, Chile, > > Colombia, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Gabon, Ghana, Greece, Guatemala, Jamaica, > > Japan, Kenya, Lesotho, Mauritius, Nepal, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, > > Peru, Philippines, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Thailand, Togo, Trinidad > > and Tobago, Upper Volta, Venezuela, Zaire, Zambia.> > > > > > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> > > > ----Original Message----> > From: [log in to unmask]> > Date: May 30, 2007 12:59:09 AM> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Subj: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology> > > > ? For one who acknowledges that Gambia and Gambian fora > > are not significant in determining policy, you seem to be spending an > > awful lot of time trying to defend the indefensible.?> > > > I was responding to some of the anti-Semitic and downright racist > > anti-Zionist > > articles that you have been posting fiti-fata, these past twenty > > four hours all > > to prove that you are ?more sober and sophisticated than the half-> > baked > > ?.and can see through the mistruths, half-truths? etc.> > > > You posted these.> > 1. FWD: Palestine & Israel: Know and Understand The Facts And Decide > > For > > Yourself > > 2 FWD: 'Israel's Right To Exist': Is It A Real Issue? > > 3. FWD: The Occupation Of Palestine > > 4. FWD: 'Wiped off the Map' ? The Rumor of the Century > > 5. FWD: Palestine: Israeli Killing Fields > > 6. FWD: Israel's Right To Be Racist > > 7. FWD: Compassionate Oppression: Subjugating Your Inferiors With A > > Human > > Touch > > 8. Fwd: Holocaust Museum: Israeli Holocaust Against Arabs > > 9. FWD: Zionism and the Media > > 10. FWD: Zionism as a Racist Ideology > > 11. FWD: A Review Of The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine By Ilan Pappe > > 12. FWD: UN RESOFWD: Various Articles On The Farce Of Israeli > > Democracy > > 13. FWD: Various Articles On The Farce Of Israeli Democracy > > 14. FWD: Answering Zionist Propaganda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are all very important as people, most of you are Muslims, and I > > have > > nothing against that.> > I have not been trying to defend anything.> > I have posted some links and you may believe what you want.> > I don?t know whether answering your twenty questions will make any > > difference, but please give me some time to think about it, and I will > > try to > > answer them in my own personal way. > > Of course, you know that avoidable or unavoidable human suffering > > and > > tragedy causes much pain to all of us. The daily carnage that we > > witness on > > TV, from Iraq, sometimes I wonder if we are still human beings.> > > > (Have you tried to obtain Saudi citizenship yet?)> > > > I could ask you twenty easy questions, but you don?t have to convince > > me > > about anything. I am not easily convinced and if you are destined to > > follow the > > prophet Moses, so be it, if not it doesn?t mean that you are going to > > go ? to > > hell.> > > > I CAN TELL YOU THIS: THAT SINCE Israel?s ?Independence day? 59 years > > ago, > > ISRAEL HAS NOT KNOWN A SINGLE DAY OF PEACE.> > > > http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA> > > > It?s akin to the period 610-623 of Islam. You could say that the whole > > period > > during which the Islamic revelation took place, was during a state of > > emergency. > > There has been much more bloodshed among and between Muslims since > > that > > time, though not on the scale of the 2nd World War bloodshed was > > concentrated within six years.> > > > Militarism is therefore an ideal that Muslims follow, with the > > Prophet of Islam > > (S. A. W.) and Imam Ali (A.S.) as role model and this overemphasis on > > Jihad > > etc and Palestinians unwillingness to negotiate is what puzzles me. > > > > I find it a little disturbing, that the military agenda is at the top > > of Muslim?s > > political agenda?. And oh yes, the Shia have also suffered very much?. > > As > > you well know.> > > > The year was 1987, and this was my first Sufi Teacher and this is how > > I met > > him: I was once sitting with some Gambian friends. One of them was > > lamenting > > something ? and BLACK is my weakness. > > There and then, I counted the sum of eight thousand Kronor and handed > > it > > over to him as a loan. He needed the money. Later on, when I asked him > > for it, > > he told me to get out? did we sign any paper etc.> > In the first week of Ramadan, I was reading the Qur'an and came to > > the > > section where it said that if someone owes you some money, give him > > more > > time to pay it, but it would be even better, if you waived it as > > Sadaka, and I > > did just that. I wrote a letter to this my Gambian friend, and told > > him that this > > was Ramadan sadaka from me to him.> > Immediately after that, I was impelled to go to Vattumannen Bookshop > > - > > three minute walk from where I lived, and there I bought, ?In the > > Paradise of > > the Sufis? by Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh. When I got home, I opened the book, > > on > > the first page or so, saw an address, and phone number. (Of course, I > > thought > > that Dr. Nurbakhsh the author was in Iran. I called the London > > Branch > > number, and was told that Dr. Nurbakhsh was not at home, and could I > > call > > the Khaniqah, later. I did so half an hour later and talked to Dr. > > Nurbakhsh I > > think that it was on a Monday, and he said that I could see him on > > Wednesday, in London.> > After I put down the phone. I danced - I mean DANCED and cried for > > half an > > hour.> > I was there on Wednesday, popped in to see my mother at Edgware, and > > stayed with her that week.> > Within fifteen months I went so see Dr. Nurbaksh eight nine times ? > > eight > > times in London and once in Cologne, Germany when he invited me to > > the > > opening of the Khaniqah there.> > > > But that was just the beginning of something and I tell you this (it?s > > not a > > secret) because I want you to understand that I am not some unfeeling > > brute > > who wants to slaughter any Muslim heaven forbid, or Palestinian, but > > in a > > them or US situation what do you do? > > > > http://www.google.se/search?> > hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&> > q=DR.+Nurbakhsh+on+LOVE> > > > So, sabre, please, my Judaism puts a lot of emphasis on CHESED, > > perhaps my > > greatest weakness and with that too, I will try to answer your > > questions.> > > > Much love,> > > > Cornelius> > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the > > Gambia-L Web interface> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.> > org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > [log in to unmask]> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface> > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > [log in to unmask]> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface> at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]> ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
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