Thanks haruna for the brilliant analysis of Mr ml's strong worded reply. he seems very sensitive to an ordinary comment pertaining to pdois.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Mr. Touray,
I appreciate your effort. And I want to add value to you and PDOIS. You have
begun the conversation by expressing disdain for a certain 'people' of
Gambia whose perspective of PDOIS is less than honourable in yorn eyes. However,
you added some critical discernments that I wanted to encourage for value. I
continue to encourage you to share the values of PDOIS without yielding the
reactionary mantra. At the end of the day, you seek to persuade the 'people'
from whom you solicit mandate. If you maintain scenario of 'Us against them'
that PDOIS has been peddling for 30 odd years, you will also reach the infamous
cul-de-sac of belligerent impasse. I see my good friend, and excellent orator
Rene propose another tridecennial regime of dialogue. Rene, If that dialogue
is a petulant regurgitation of PDOIS' tri-decennial parables and soliloquy,
I want you to know am dialogued out. I may not be important enough for PDOIS
to attempt to persuade, but during this conversation and your promised
re-orientation, our perspectives may afford important members of Gambia society
some further discernemnts. Consider a total overhaul, a revamp if you will for
marketing PDOIS and its ware. I will go to your notes proper, MT and Rene,
for context:
[Haruna, Thanks for your comments. I think anyone who labels PDOIS a
communist party is doing injustice to the party.] MT.
Consider that they are doing injustice to PDOIS. You will admit that the
title of your conversation is a reaction to other. Your effort I think therefore
must be concentrated on "PDOIS' economic strategy' and discernemnts thereto
which may augur persuasion. My friend Karamba has shared during one of our
conversations that "Haruna, dunyaa mu nyoo naanewo leti" Life is full of
negotiated considerations. It does not mean negotiating principles but advancing
those closely-held principles with consideration of other's albeit
ill-discipline.
[I think PDOIS has demonstrated its indifference to the philosophy of
communism.......] MT.
This did not come out right MT. I understand you meant other than
indifference. For it is the indifference to communism that folk may be wary of. Think
about it for a moment. Nonchalance to critical perspective is only an
equalizer, not a generator of electoral fortunes. This is one area I think PDOIS
needs overhaul. Before we move too far ahead, it may be proper for you to share
with us in what capacity you now speak on the behalf of PDOIS, a political
party, seeking to govern a tempestuous lot.
[and its commitment to rule of law and democracy.] MT. (promised, not
demonstrated)
PPP and NCP before it, UDP, NRP, APRC and NDAM contemporaneously, have all
promised commitment to the rule of Law and democracy. PDOIS, through FOROYAA,
has advocated for the rule of law and democracy. Let us leave promises aside
for the purpose of this conversation.
[We know from history that rule of law and democracy has never resided in
any communist government.] MT.
Yes MT. Neither has it resided in the promises of socialist or democratic
governments. The rule of law is a regime of lifestyles in democracy, and the law
is the common constitution. One of the reasons the earlier advice of our
friend Karamba is crucial, is that that constitution is a negotiated memorandum.
[PDOIS is the only political party in the country that has proposed a
comprehensive economic strategy for the Gambia.] MT.
Mr. Touray, you exaggerate here and consider that any economic strategy,
comprehensive or not, is at best transient, and dependent on force majeure
conditions especially considering Gambia's shortcomings in ware and resilience.
Even Sweden's or the UK's comprehensive economic strategies are at best
transient to be kneaded regularly.
[PDOIS’ economic vision for the Gambia recognizes that development cannot be
imported, but that it is attained through people participation which calls
for empowerment—empowerment to take charge of our destiny.] MT.
Indigenous participation in the economic life of a nation describes the
health of her democratic dispensation. MT, I think you will agree with me that
the bundling of catch phrases, which PDOIS is adept at, is counterproductive
and it portends distrustful tendency in electorates. It is near impossible to
separate economic prosperity from the ware of economic inputs of production.
And, all political parties survive on the premise of value in indigenous
participation in industry and GOVERNANCE, the latter of which the parties seek.
[It goes without saying that empowerment of the people oppressed for many
centuries not only by European imperialists but also by our own brothers and
sisters cannot come to past swiftly.] MT.
I totally agree with you MT. And when you consider that PDOIS personages are
a subset of the "own brothers and sisters", you will agree that a good dose
of nyoo naanewo awaits PDOIS and other political parties who desire to govern
a people. Not just Gambian people. Our history is not unique in the
subregion. In effect questions of Gambia's sovereignty are themselves pesky to come to
grips with. For purposes of PDOIS, those questions of sovereignty are best
ignored in the short term. And I am with you on that. So PDOIS must complete
its people-empowerment promise despite centurion's oppressions by other.
[PDOIS refused to used false inducement to gain support;] MT.
This is coming from a PDOIS supporter or sympathiser. MT, I want you to
consider that as confident as you are in this position, the 'people' may be
equally confident in the alternate perspective. I will give you a couple of
considerations:
1. To you and PDOIS, philanthropy by a political party is good and
honourable.
To another citizen, such philanthropy may be mired in coercive and corrosive
conflicts of interest, and implicit inducement. We have some onerous
precedence in Hizbollah where the demarcation between philanthropy and forcible
governance is ever blurred, threatening to erase the good and honourable. At the
time of 'contiguous Palestine', I had suggested Hizbollah become integrated in
the Lebanese and Philasteen security apparatus. To an extent, they did that
but impatience got the better of them and they squandered opportunities by
carving out their own enclave thereby vanquishing hope of a more contiguous
Palestine.
2. PDOIS' current roll of suporters and sympathisers is filled with
recipients of such philanthropy. 1.4% of Gambia people. The work of PDOIS therefore
must be trained on discernments if PDOIS wishes to govern those who have yet
to or will never receive value from PDOIS' philanthropy. PDOIS may begin by
privatising (for real) FOROYAA. It is a valuable organ but association with
PDOIS gives the mirage of PRAVDA. As much as you try to explain its independence
or the reason for its dependence, democracy is best propagated through
practice.
[the party believes its vision for the Gambia can only be achieved by an
enlighten people.] MT.
Indeed. I don't imagine any party's vision be achieved by an un-enlightened
membership. This is internal PDOIS demarche. The mode of enlightenment
however could bear the discernments.
[Maybe, this is why some people view PDOIS as a communist party jumbled in
soliloquies.] MT.
Probably. And it is not beyond PDOIS to yield the proper perspective. I can
charm a friggin snake if I had to. Why can't PDOIS? It doesn't help much to
widen the divide in perspectives and therefore encourage bunkers and
circumstance.
[I think PDOIS has made its position unequivocally clear to the Gambian
people.] MT.
I agree with you MT. However, the prolofic dichotomies within PDOIS
structure does not mitigate concern and apathy. Standing your ground or making your
position unequivocally clear are for Investors, not prospective governors.
[Only those who refuse to listen] MT.
[or desire to slander,] MT.
[would describe PDOIS as a communist party.] MT.
How do we make those who refuse to listen, afford us audience?
How do we remove the appetite for slander and libel?
We are not communist afterall.
MT, if the label of communism is your sole concern, I am here to let you
know you can sleep easy. You have no problem.
Rene, you have shown remarkable polyvalence prior. But when it comes to
PDOIS, it always seems I don't know you. You are so serre' I get scared of you.
What I think is that if you and Mr. Touray sit quietly somewhere and consider
what we share in these notes, you are probably the best agents for PDOIS'
reversed misfortunes. Musa Sana, Musa Jeng can be valuable too I think Sherriff
Ndow. I would mention Joe Sambou, but the cat is too edgy and temperamental.
He's liable to start a world war three before PDOIS had a chance at governing
the world.
Contrary to Pa Samba's perspective, your friend and brother,
Masoud. MQJGDT Darbo. Al Mu'umin.
Haruna Darbo wrote: Karim,
I am generally of your disposition when it comes to economic arrangements. I
think PDOIS has that embedded in its labyrinth of soliloquies and it has a
hard time releasing it from the shackles of communist-tendent administration.
I look forward to more from our friend Mr. Touray. I think he's doing
yeoman's work for PDOIS. In his discernments will lie salvation for PDOIS.
Because
Mr. Touray is not communist.
Haruna.
In a message dated 3/29/2008 4:33:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna and Mr Touray
To add to the debate, I don't think PDOIS ideals are dogmatic. Political
ideals evolves with time. They are not static and need to change with global
realities. For example the British labour party was able to change clause 4
the
emphasis of which was similar with the PDOIS style of socialism. The new
labour have still one of its think tank group- the fabrian society mirroring
socialism in marxist school of thought. In an economy like Gambia the
prescription for the development of our society with human face we should
embrace social
democratic principles and democratic capitalism. The mainstream political
parties in the West have, in the post communist age shifted towards the more
conservative view of the economics and industry. The left talks of the
stakeholder society and no longer of vested interests and living standard of
the
working classes. Neo-liberal capitalism alone is not the solution. They have
opearted on the edge of the environmental debate after all the
destruction to the biosphere in the name of business as usual. The present
drift of market based economy lacked any real leadership on environmental
issues. For a solution to our current underdevelopment I don't believe the
solution lies in PDOIS style of socialism or neoliberal drivem democratic
capitalism devoid of any radical green ideas or vision.
Haruna Darbo wrote:
Mr. Touray,
I admire your affinity with PDOIS and your staunch defense of its regard. I
acknowledge your submission that PDOIS seeks and receives its mandates from
the people it seeks to govern. This is indeed a good start in discernments.
I
look forward to hearing more.
I am of the disposition that if PDOIS seeks its mandates from the people, it
necessarily holds the views of those people in high regard and ammends its
programmes accordingly. It is possibly one 'people' who characterizes
individuals communist. That is a travesty of adjectives. By its very nature,
communism describes
The sum total of manifestations and affects of programme.
To the extent communism is perspectives of programme, it cannot describe or
qualify individuals. So the 'people', whoever he or she may be, is in severe
error in judgement. PDOIS could be communist but the dirigeants de PDOIS may
be found wanting in yielding other perspective. You have begun right. I hope
you continue in the way of discernments.
a luta continua. Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Mutawakkil.
In a message dated 3/29/2008 4:34:32 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
It does not sound funny when I hear some people equating PDOIS with
Communism. I wonder how they arrive at this conclusion. I have never heard
any member of PDOIS say they advocate for communism. I have never read
any publication of PDOIS which implies that the party advocates for
communism. Over a decade of public service and advocacy programs, not
once have the party acted in a manner that imply advocacy for communism.
Could someone tell us how they arrive at the conclusion that PDOIS is a
communist party?????? Why do they label PDOIS a communist party and do
not label other parties?
Only people who do not understand the term “communism†or
people who
are
impious slanderers would equate PDOIS with communism. We know from
history that communist parties never seek the mandate of the people; they
have always forced there way to power. The Chinese Communists Party
overthrew its predecessor and forced its mandate on the people. The Castro
Regime, The Soviet Union, North Korea are examples of a communist party.
PDOIS have never been engaged in any subversive activities. They have
always sought the mandate of the people. They have refused to work in a
government that does not drive its mandate from the people. They have
placed their very lives on the line in defense of civil liberties for all
Gambians.
These fine men who deserve our praise are contrarily being given all kind of
characterization, slander, and outright lies against what they have been
standing for and sometimes their very personalities are the subject of
blatant
lies.
I wonder what benefits one receives from deliberate misrepresentation of
others. Why can’t we say the truth or keep quite. Just imagine if
suddenly
your acquaintance started mischaracterizing you unfairly. How would you
feel?
Why can’t we focus on our common enemy so we can free ourselves from
the
York of ignorance and impiety-lies about other people?
Thanks
ML TOURAY
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