Demba, Nyang and all:
It is very clear from these exchanges that Suntu is a very dangerous
hypocrite. I would normally engage him head on as usual, but he has
been exposed enough yet again with his pants down. This is downright
malicious, what he is doing. So, I say cut it.........
Please, please.............
-Laye
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Demba, now you are accussing UDP supporters of causing the division
> the last time round? There is no point responding to all your blatant
> defense of PDOIS, but your blaming UDP supporters for the last
> break-up speaks for itself. I was never a follower of UDP then, never
> been part of any talk, so that leave the accusation lying squarely at
> the doors of the UDP U.S.A.
> Make no mistake, when media matters which are of interest to Gambians
> handled by a partisan newspaper, the words and context issues are
> analyse will be discuss, if you are so scared of such things being
> discuss, what moral high ground do you have to write politics then?
> Are you techincally saying, let us stop all partisan politics and wait
> for post-Jammeh. How will we grow politically Demba? If the opposition
> leaders on the ground are willing and ready to unite, whatever
> alternative opinion is discuss, will surely make them take stock and
> grow, not hinder unity or cause division.
> Contrary to what you stated, the UDP supporters never cause the
> break-up of the coalition, take a second look at the matter.
> Suntou
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Demba Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> You know guys, there is a key message that is behind this exchange that has
>> not been discussed fully or at least it has not been exposed... I think
>> giving the bitter experience that Gambians and opposition parties are going
>> throught under Jammeh's watch, we should no longer allow petty stuff to
>> divide us.
>>
>> It is perfectly legitimate for any one to support whatever party we want but
>> what should not be overlooked is people reading in between the times and
>> trying to create division or political hatred in between the very opposition
>> parties we are trying to unite. Supporters of the UDP the main opposition
>> party as we all agreed should no longer allow the likes of Suntou to distort
>> the image of this party and make it look like a Republican party where only
>> a few like-thinking minds are acceptable. The UDP should and must take the
>> lead in anything pertaining to opposition in the Gambia. I believe this is
>> the mindset that we have seen Mr. Darboe and many others are embracing to
>> create an opportunity for unity.
>>
>> There are certain elements of the UDP the likes of Suntou and Daffeh (who
>> has been quiet lately) whose support for the party can be a huge turnoff for
>> many Gambians who find value in the leadership of the UDP. As Gambians, we
>> support the UDP efforts in their struggle. We support PDOIS, NRP and any
>> other legitimate opposition party that stands against the status quo. We
>> may subscribe to different political ideology which is a natural thing in
>> any democratic society, but that does not mean people should not write
>> critical things about other parties. In fact, any informed and mature
>> citizen must look deep into the leadership of the party they support and
>> challenge the leaders to improve their support base. How do you do that,
>> picking apart potential supports and trying to bring division at the time of
>> need for unity?
>>
>> I believe again members of this forum largely identifies with the struggles
>> of the UDP. We must all rally and discredit anyone who tries to inject
>> unnecessary division in our struggle. It is one thing to wish to get some
>> attention, but another thing to try to create unnecessary havoc among hard
>> struggling Gambians.
>>
>> So Suntou and co must be challenged to desist from making others look like
>> they hate the UDP when that is far from the truth. We will no longer allow
>> political ignoramous and narrow minded citizens to distract us from the real
>> struggle. Real UDP supporters are above and beyond such narrow minded
>> visions... such people should be isolated and not be allowed to represent
>> the true image of the party. They succeeded in dividing us the last time
>> around and this time we are ready to call them on it when they surface their
>> divisive tactics. Nothing can make us take our eyes off the ball this time
>> around... be forewarned.....
>>
>> Peace...
>> Demba
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Suntou,
>>>
>>> How this misread of Foroyaa turned into personal banter between Mr. Manneh
>>> and Mr. Touray is beyond me. Dave is the consummate colonial soldier like my
>>> cousin and I shared he has a unique way of putting his point across. If he
>>> wants to call you Mr. Touray, let him. I will discourage him from referring
>>> to warambas and khaftans in this particular exchange because that only
>>> extrapolates disagreement and disdains. He is not used to that. I have known
>>> him to stick to issues at hand. But don't dwell on your own significances or
>>> lack thereof when graver matter is discussed. I will be disappointed if this
>>> goes any further and you being the elder, I encourage you take leave of it.
>>> There are other life matter more worth pursuing.
>>>
>>> How can folk "debate" impassioned opinions? And online? Mr. Touray,
>>> Suntou, Bolongba, Mr. Manneh, Dave, Lamin. What is wrong with any of that? I
>>> understand the connotations of turning informal banter to more
>>> formal sleights and escalations but this matter of perspectives hardly
>>> qualifies for erstwhile derisions.
>>>
>>> Haruna.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 7:58 am
>>> Subject: Re: [>-<] Political opportunism (Foroyaas coverage of Peters
>>> arrest)
>>>
>>> Dave, please, please, let us keep things simple. Stop trying to cause
>>> disharmorny in a political matter like this. The issue has nothing to
>>> do with me and you, it is on a subject matter which is cleary define.
>>> If you have nothing to say on the subject, better do something else
>>> that take your fancy. I have no interest what assumption you have of
>>> me. As you said, i don't know you and you don't know me, so why not we
>>> accept each other base on simple principles. It is a simple request,
>>> refer to me with my first name. Whether you know me out side the
>>> confine space of your G-post is completely irrelevant.
>>> My Kaftan or Sumbuya never harm you, or did they? I respect you and i
>>> hope you stop getting excited. I may have little friends in your
>>> coveted G-Post, but i careless about that Dave. Address the issue and
>>> lets discuss. My Kaftan, Subumya, waranba or Daba kurto is none of
>>> your business....
>>> I would have thought an experience G-Post member like you would have
>>> grown out the petty attitude inherent in some folks out here. But how
>>> wrong i was to think like that.
>>> Suntou Bolonba
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Mr Touray,
>>> > I rather know that you are incapable of an unsentimental and vigorous
>>> > debate
>>> > that's all.
>>> >
>>> > PS: Do not feel too special for your Khaftan and Sumbuya: I only call
>>> > people
>>> > by their first names if/when I happen to know them outside of the online
>>> > fora, or have had personal dealings with them. So am afraid it is going
>>> > to
>>> > be Mr Touray; and I hope you won't take offence at that.
>>> > Kind Regards,
>>> > Dave
>>> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >>
>>> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave, i am never a pacifist, you of all people should never start
>>> >> assuming things about others. What is alien to me is completely
>>> >> unknown to you. So don't become a magician all of a sudden simply
>>> >> because i direct you to read again the reports of Foroyaa. The way you
>>> >> see the coverage and how you interpret is up to you. We see things
>>> >> diffierently, but anyone who tries to pretend foroyaa is not being
>>> >> funny here is avoidin the obvious issues raised. By the way, address
>>> >> me as suntou if that is not of any trouble. Thanks
>>> >> Sntou Bolonba
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Thanks Mr Touray.
>>> >> > He who posits bears the burden of proof. This is a simple axiom. But
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > fully
>>> >> > understand why you would find this concept a bit alien.
>>> >> > Kind Regards,
>>> >> > Dave
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou touray
>>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Dave, if you cannot pick the queries from my humble observation,
>>> >> >> sorry. I am not here to point to you at any direction. The two links
>>> >> >> provide enough substance to see the game of Foroyaa. Use that time
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> have and re-read the comments from the paper.
>>> >> >> Suntou Bolonba
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Dave Manneh
>>> >> >> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Mr Touray,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Please elaborate a little more if you would, on what constitutes
>>> >> >> > “Political
>>> >> >> > Opportunism” on Forooya and/PDOIS’ part/s?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I’ve read both links you provided, and I am still none the wiser
>>> >> >> > as
>>> >> >> > to
>>> >> >> > what
>>> >> >> > could have raised your ire.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I suppose most importantly too, why, in your view
>>> >> >> > should PDOIS and Foroyaa be two entities; independent and separate
>>> >> >> > from
>>> >> >> > each
>>> >> >> > other?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Kind Regards,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Dave
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > NB: Am at a loose-end presently; having finished one project and
>>> >> >> > not
>>> >> >> > started
>>> >> >> > on another. So I've spare time to indulge in cyber chitchat.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > 2009/10/29 suntou touray <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by suntou
>>> >> >> >> touray
>>> >> >> >> <[log in to unmask]> ]
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> In has much i wish to avoid focusing on the style the foroyya
>>> >> >> >> news
>>> >> >> >> paper adopted in reporting the UDP rally and subsiquent events,
>>> >> >> >> one
>>> >> >> >> cannot but comment on their strategic ploy to make the issue down
>>> >> >> >> bit.
>>> >> >> >> The Foroyaa reportage culled from www.gainako.com higligthed
>>> >> >> >> serious
>>> >> >> >> opportunism on the part of Foroyaa the arm of PDOIS. They claim
>>> >> >> >> that,
>>> >> >> >> whatever was mention on the UDP rally was reported by their
>>> >> >> >> paper.
>>> >> >> >> As
>>> >> >> >> if rallies are the same as news paper items. If it is trust and
>>> >> >> >> mutual
>>> >> >> >> cooperation we are all advocating, the Foroyaa should change its
>>> >> >> >> stance and see to it that, their views or way is not the only
>>> >> >> >> way.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> We want to respect the persons and agendas of all the opposition,
>>> >> >> >> try
>>> >> >> >> to bridge the gabs, therefore, Foroyaa activitiues on this issue
>>> >> >> >> is
>>> >> >> >> unprofessional and politically bias.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2009/10/29/public-meeting-by-political-parties-is-a-constitutional-political-and-civic-right-and-not-a-privilege.html.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> In an earlier coverage on the episode, Foroyya went as far as
>>> >> >> >> quote
>>> >> >> >> a
>>> >> >> >> number to the people that attended the rally. Were they guessing
>>> >> >> >> or
>>> >> >> >> did they actually count the number of people that attended the
>>> >> >> >> rally?
>>> >> >> >> Foroyaa should do its best to always be seen to be independent of
>>> >> >> >> PDOIS, if not their side of stories like this will be rejected
>>> >> >> >> and/or
>>> >> >> >> taken with a pinch of salt.
>>> >> >> >> http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3750
>>> >> >> >> Suntou Bolonba
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
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