Greetings, all, I wanted to clarify my earlier message, as I've begun
to get private emails regarding it.  Firstly, I'm sorry if in referring
to Mboge's comments alone that it seemed as though I was taking any
sides in this matter, because I am not.  I've stopped following the
exchange between Haruna and Modou a long time ago because of it's
obnoxiousness.  Secondly, private email seems to indicate that I may be
perceived as playing the victim (something that the emailer seems to
think I do quite often) in commenting on this, and I apologize if that
seems to be the case.  I can't be a victim in something that I had no
part in, so if it seems like I'm trying to come crying to the list or
play the victim role I truly am sorry, because I most certainly didn't
feel that way when I wrote my original message in reply to Bailo's message.

My comments on not wishing to comment on a list where one risks being
insulted or worse, are just mere observations, and in general, I have
made my online presence, well, less present, and that has nothing to do
with this particular list per se, that again was just a general observation.

To be clear, I do not choose to participate in a list or discussion, in
any shape, form, or fashion, where I risk being insulted.  And if
someone threatens to "snuff the life out of someone" because they
perceive them to be a bully or a harasser, and not only say it publicly
but privately as well, I'm not sure how you could take that any other
way than to say that this might not be someone you want to engage in a
discussion with, lest they perceive a disagreement to be a bullying or
a harassment, especially if you've disagreed with said person in the
past, and they thus decide to "snuff the life out of" someone because
they've perceived them to be a bully, etc.  I'm not saying that Mboge
is going to resort to violence, I'm just saying he's threatened to,
over something that started out as a mere disagreement, and this is not
someone that I choose to engage in a discussion with because of this.
And this did, at first, start out as a disagreement, and not a
"bullying" or a "harassment", though it could have very well turned
into such, though as I said, I've stopped following the discussion.

I've had things said to me on this and other lists in the past that I
could have taken as harassing, even down to receiving private emails
threatening myself and my family, if I continued to speak out on
Gambian issues, and never once did I threaten to "snuff the life out
of" anyone.  Surely, if one is being bullied and harassed, they have
other recourse than to kill the harasser, and this is just my
"inyuendo" again, again per the private emailer, than I'm sorry.  But
to me words mean things, you don't just say something and then pretend
you didn't say it or pretend that it meant something else.  Because if
it does, pray tell what else could "snuff the life out of" mean
exactly?  I mean, I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, which
perhaps I should have made clear in my original message, and say that
perhaps Mboge meant "shut them up" or "silence them" or "take all
necessary action to insure that they do not bully or harass anyone else
again".  But that is not what he said.  Twice, both to me privately via
email and on list, he's threatened to "snuff the life out of" anyone
who's bullying or harassing him.  And if he came back and clarified his
statement and said, something like "no no I'm sorry, I didn't mean it
the way you and others may have thought, but I meant such and such",
then I'd be happy to admit to my victimhood and inyuendo and graciously
admit that I was wrong.  But that is not what he said.

To be clear, I do not feel like a victim, and I apologize in advance if
I mis-perceived anyone's statements, but I find any threat or insult,
no matter from where it comes, to be quite troubling.  And anyone who
would sink to the types of levels I've seen lately are not the kinds of
people I feel like having any kind of discussion with at this point.

I mean, goodness, if you know that a certain person is going to insult
you, or you know someone's going to disagree with you, because of, say,
something you disagreed about ten years ago, or if someone that you
don't get along with says something you are sure not to agree with
anyway, again because it's someone you don't get along with, then for
Goodness Sake, please have the maturity to not engage with them, and
then perhaps it won't sink to insulting one's parents and threatening
to "snuff the life out of" anyone.

Apologies for the long message.

Inshallah, I have nothing else to say on this, lest I project an
unintended image or intent.

Ginny

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