Suntou,
This has nothing to do with democratic this and that. Wrong is wrong.
If Essa made an erroneous claim and you know it is wrong, why do you
try to defend it? You know it is wrong because I asked you and some
other people from these lists to help analyse the radio streams I was
testing about a year and a half ago. This is after I increased the
number of radio stations I was broadcasting from one to seven. You
listened to the streams for about a week and gave me your feedback.
Somebody comes now and claims that my website is set up by the
government and you go along with or condone it. Is that correct?
Suntou, are you and Essa acting like this because when you sent a link
to an article written by Essa and added your comment that you go along
with Essa's analysis that the intention behind the portal was
propaganda, I sent a link to the speech referred to? I want you and
Essa to know that I did not mean anything by it. I just wanted to
provide reference.
Find below what I am referring to.
Hi!
You can watch the launching of the portal including the speech
referred to in the piece sent by Suntou. The link is:
http://www.raaki.com/grts
On another note, watch the Fanta Math/Science Quiz. The kids are
bright! Just listening to the questions made me want to reach for the
aspirin bottle. Have a good day.
Buharry.
----Original Message----
From: [log in to unmask]
Date: 2010-05-27 12:45
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subj: Re: [>-<] FYI: GAMBIA GOVERNMENT WEB PORTAL
I will go along with Esay Bokary's vadict on the portal. The intention
behind it is not noble, pure propaganda.
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/5274/Gambia-VP-Isatou-Njie-Saidy-We-will-reciprocate-with-existing-and-reliable-revelations-from-within-your-own-office-/Default.aspx
The bigger issues are what Gambians are calling for. A portal, yeah
right.
Suntou
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:19 PM, omar joof <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Buhary,
> This is a very important development, and its the kind of things
that
can
> be generated by educated discussions. It is important to note that
there was
> a remarkable increase in the annual national population growth rate
between
> 1983 and 1993. This was mainly caused by the influx of refugees from
trouble
> spots in the sub-region. I was very mindful of these figures when I
argued
> in a recent debate on this forum that for twenty years (after
independence
> in 1965), we could not count up to a million people. Twenty years
after
> independence would be 1985. If The population was 687,817 in 1983 (a
census
> year in The Gambia), an annual growth rate of 3.8% in 2yrs, would not
> count up to a million. However, if they want to report the annual
growth
> rate as 27%, that would be outrageous! Secondly, why can't they
simply give
> us the annual growth rates for the various inter-census periods (e.
g.
1973
> to 1983; 1983 to 1993; 1993 to 2003 as is the norm)? Instead they
jumped
> from 1983 to 2006 ( where the latter year is not even a census year
in The
> Gambia). I have my doubts, so I turned to Google (and precisely at:
> http//http://www.columbia.edu-msj42/populationandculture.htm.> For
the inter-census period 1983 to 1993, they report the annual
growth
>
rate as 4.2%; and for the inter-census period 1993 to 2003, it is
reported
> as 2.9%. The wars in Sierra Leone and Liberia ended in the 1990s, so
The
> Gambia's annual population growth rate declined accordingly from
4.2%
to
> 2.9%
> I find 4.2% and 2.9% more reliable than the ridiculous 27%, which
you
will
> not find anywhere in the world as an annual population growth rate.
However,
> it can stand as a total percentage growth for the period 1983 to
2006, as
> 3.8% can be the same for the period 1973 to 1983. My criticism of
this way
> of reporting is that it buries the fact that while there was a rise
in
> annual growth rate from 1973/83 to 1983/1993, a remarkable decline
was
> registered in the annual growth rate for inter-census period 1993 to
2003.
> Secondly, the fact that by 1985 our population was still less than
one
> million, can blurred in the drama over figures. But this is not a
surprise
> since this is a regime that is known for cooking its books (politics
of
> lies). .
> Best of regards,
> Omar Joof.
>
> > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:01:21 +0200
> > From: [log in to unmask]
>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [>-<] FYI: GAMBIA GOVERNMENT WEB PORTAL
> >
> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "M. Gassama"
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> [log in to unmask]> ]
> >
> >
> > Thanks Bailo, Lamin and Sanusi. Glad you found the site useful. I
was
> > shocked by the demographic information found on:
> >
> >
> http://www.gambia.gov.gm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=41
> >
> > I was shocked by the following:
> > - the population more than doubled from 687,817 to 1,509,928
within a
> > period of 23 years
resulting in a rise of population growth rate from
> > 3.8% in 1983 to 27% in 2006. This among other things resulted
in
the
> > change in population density from 64 per square kilometres in 1983
to
> > 138 in 2006
> > - the rural to urban ratio change within the same period. The urban
> > population was 211,889 in 1983 and the rural 475,928. In 2003, the
> > urban population grew to 820,1936 compared to the rural population
of
> > 689,735. This has serious implications for agriculture, the
provision
> > of necessary services in the urban areas etc. No wonder it feels
as
if
> > the whole descended on Serrekunda especially around the market.
> > - the age structure of the population. Nearly 94% of Gambians are
under
> > 60 years. The number of Gambians living past 60 years dropped from
10%
> > in 1983 to 5.19% in 2006
> >
> > ----Original Message----
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: 2010-05-26 4:45
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Cc: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subj: Re: [>-<] FYI: GAMBIA GOVERNMENT WEB PORTAL
> >
> > Thanks Buharry respect.Great site.You the Gambian of the decade.
> >
> > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:35 PM, M. Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "M.
Gassama" <
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> > >
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > > FYI:
> > > The official Gambia Gov. web portal was launched today. The link
is:
> > >
> > > http://www.gambia.gov.gm>>> > You might find some information
of use. Have a good evening.
> > > Buharry.
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----Original Message----
From: [log in to unmask]
Date: 2010-06-02 0:36
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subj: Re: Raaki.con, GRTS and the Gambia Government
Buharry
You see, I cannot take anything away from you. You can accuse me of
double
speak, or even triple that if you want. It is your democratic right to
see
my comments or statement any how you deem fit. Hence, direct your
complaint
to Essa first, then involve the community. But you cannot influence
those
who see your actions as negative so far as anti-Yahya is concern.
So, please characterise me any how or in any way, it is perfectly fine
by
me.
Good luck, and I hope Essa withdraw the statement if that will satisfy
your
query.
Suntou
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:21 PM, M. Gassama <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Suntou!
> The foundations of your arguments are premised upon fallacious
> grounds. Where, in everything that I have written about this issue,
did
> I complain about Freedom Newspaper? Where did I task the editor and
> proprietor of the newspaper to offer redress? I challenge you to show
> me. If you read something and don't understand it, it is best to
> request clarification rather than jumping to unfounded conclusions. I
> never complained about Freedom Newspaper or its owner. In fact, I
> acknowledged the fact that Pa Nderry tried to correct Essa who would
> not listen. I wrote: "Pa Nderry tried on several occasions to correct
> you but you kept on." Didn't you read that? Did I tell you that I
want
> Freedom to take action? I challenge you to show me where I wrote
that.
> It was not Pa Nderry or Freedom that claimed that Raaki is owned by
or
> fronts for the Gambia Government. It was Essa Sey who did that. As
> such, it is Essa that I tasked to "to use the same medium he used to
> utter those words to take them back and
> apologise to Raaki.com and those behind it." If Essa is honest, he
> would realise that he made a mistake and uttered unfounded
allegations
> about Raaki and he would use the same channels he used to retrack his
> statements. Whether Freedom will offer him the platform to do so is
> between them since he understands the channels he went through to be
> granted the interview in the first place. In short, I did not ask
> anything of Freedom. I acknowledged Pa Nderry's efforts at
correction.
> I demanded a retraction and an apology from Essa.
>
> When Essa was making the allegations, did he ask me where to make
them?
> Did he ask me whether he should go to Freedom and make the
allegations?
> He did not. Essa is on these lists. I therefore chose these lists to
> address his allegations. Do you have a problem with that?
>
> You wrote:
> "It is democratic also for Essa to be suspicious of the ways Raaki
has
> been promoting issues of lesser iterest to human rights advocates
> whilst tentatively promoting items deem pro-government propaganda."
>
> You statement is based on flawed and watery pepper soup logic. Are
you
> telling me that you believe that Essa should, based on what he
> suspects, go around slandering Raaki? Are you serious? Should I go
> around telling people that Suntou is a thief just because I suspect
you
> are without having the slightest iota of proof that you are? Would
that
> be fair to you and would you accept that it is my democratic right to
> do so? You know you wouldn't. Why should I? My rights stop where your
> nose begins. While I may have rights, I also have obligations and it
is
> the fine line between the two that defines democracy. You have your
> Suntoumana blog. Did you ask me what to put on it? Who told you that
I
> started Raaki to promote human rights issues? Raaki was started among
> other things to promote Gambian culture and put Gambian media online.
> If you want a human rights site, create your own. The day I want to
> create such, I would not wait for you to tell me. Which "human rights
> advocates" did I fail in not promoting their agenda? Are you one of
> them? Do I have an obligation to promote your agenda or that of
anyone?
> Ask yourself that question my friend.
>
> Who told you I am promoting pro-government propaganda? First, what do
I
> promote? Who told you I am promoting anything? I am rebroadcasting
> material from the only TV station in the Gambia without any kind of
> input from my side. Like I said before, I would rebroadcast material
> from other tv stations if they were available. Go to Gambia and
create
> a tv station and I will rebroadcast material from your station. While
> we are waiting for that, should I stop rebroadcasting GRTS material
> just because you deem it promoting pro-government propaganda? Who are
> you? Who deemed what I rebroadcast pro-government propaganda? Is it
> you? Did you let me know you feel that way beforehand? Should I
accept
> it just because you deem it? Should I take your dislike of it over
the
> more than 1,500 daily visitors? Even if it is propaganda, is it
> completely useless? Can't you view it with that mindset and extract
the
> bits that can be useful?
>
> You also wrote:
> "It is at this juncture an unpalatable thing to say, but Essa is not
on
> his own in seeing the actions of Buharry of late as a systematic
pseudo
> APRC propagandist. I am not saying this is the case, however, if all
> his recent exposure of the photos from the Gambia and the new
> propaganda portal etc, one has to ask when will the Raaki owner also
> provide us materials that will expose the GREATER EVIL in the Jammeh
> administration."
>
> Suntou, you are engaging in doublespeak. In other words, you are
> intentionally being ambiguous as you always are, speaking from both
> sides of the mouth. If you want to accuse me of being a "systematic
> pseudo APRC propagandist", be brave and accuse me. Don't hide behind
> Essa and maybe non-existent phantoms to throw insinuations and in the
> next breath say you are not saying this is the case. It makes you
seem
> two-faced. Stand for what you believe. If you believe that Buharry is
a
> "systematic pseudo APRC propagandist", say it. If not, then don't say
> it. You cannot have it both ways. Suntou, I stand for what I believe
> and I will to the best of my ability defend it. Everybody who knows
me
> knows that I am a PDOIS sympathiser. I am not a member of the party
and
> won't even be able to vote, but of all the political parties in The
> Gambia, it is the PDOIS ideology I find most appealing and I have
never
> been afraid to manifest and defend this. If you go back over the
years
> on both lists, you will find that I have vigorously argued and
defended
> my beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Suntou, I am pseudo nothing. I
> stand for what I believe. If I wanted to support the APRC, I will not
> hide behind anything to support it. That is my God-given right of
> choice and I will exercise it no matter what anyone thinks. You claim
> to be advocating democracy. Wouldn't you fight for my right to
support
> the APRC if I chose to do so or are you just pretending to be a
> democrat?
>
> You ask when I will also provide material that "will expose the
GREATER
> EVIL in the Jammeh administration." What is the "greater evil" in
> Jammeh's administration? What is the lesser evil? What is the
greatest
> evil? You have your Suntoumana, why don't you use it to propagate
your
> agenda and expose what you define as the "greater evil"? Why should I
> do it for you?
>
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: 2010-06-01 12:06
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subj: Re: Raaki.con, GRTS and the Gambia Government
>
> Haruna, if may add a little observation. Did Buharry contacted the
> editor
> and proprietor of the freedom news paper for redress? If he does,
then
> I
> believe one can expect result, however if the hope is that,
complaining
> about the matter here will lead to the freedom taking action, then
the
> matter may not be resolve quicker.
> I will beg to defer in that, each media outlet must expect Gambians
to
> view
> and see their actions in ways they are comfortable with. This is the
> end
> result of a democratic system. It is democratic also for Essa to be
> suspicious of the ways Raaki has been promoting issues of lesser
> iterest to
> human rights advocates whilst tentatively promoting items deem
> pro-government propaganda.
>
> It is at this juncture an unpalatable thing to say, but Essa is not
on
> his
> own in seeing the actions of Buharry of late as a systematic pseudo
> APRC
> propagandist. I am not saying this is the case, however, if all his
> recent
> exposure of the photos from the Gambia and the new propaganda portal
> etc,
> one has to ask when will the Raaki owner also provide us materials
that
> will
> expose the GREATER EVIL in the Jammeh administration.
> Propaganda is in many different ways. We all know the GRTS is nothing
> but a
> mouth piece and the genuine item of Hitlers news reel.
> To this end, certain Gambians are uneasy with Buharry's new strategy,
> and if
> folks should see things contrary to his liking, that is democracy
also.
> Essa Sey may have been on the wrong side of the fence, but he has
done
> a lot
> more in correcting his ways. The current spat shouldn't take anything
> away
> from his regular contributions. I am sure, Essa is big enough to say
to
> Buharry, I withdrew my comments, however, he can maintain the fact
> that,
> Raaki's enhancement of GRTS's propaganda is a legitimate subject to
> query.
> This is not the popular thing to say right now, seeing Buharry's
friend
> queuing to defend him, but it is a point of departure.
> I hope the Editor at freedom can run a message withdrawing the
> statement
> against Raaki, since with all the evils not broadcast by the GRTS,
> Buharry
> has the right to air what he wish on his website. And also there are
> selective programs on GRTS that folks can enjoy with watching any
APRC
> propaganda, e.g cultural programs for instance.
> Suntou
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Buharry,
> >
> > I join you in encouraging former Ambassador Essa Sey to use the
> > Freedomnewspaper platform and issue a public apology to you and the
> Raaki
> > network. It is not healthy nor is it productive to issue innuendo
and
> > slander to inure egregious association and tarnish. It is
> counterproductive
> > and criminal. WHen brought to one's attention that it is inaccurate
> and
> > potentially malignant, it is honourable to apologise. The
alternative
> to
> > voluntary apology is legal suit for redress.
> >
> > The internet is a medium of communication not a conduit for
> gratuitous
> > slander and libel. Those are crimes.
> >
> > Haruna. It will probably take one lawsuit filed by an aggrieved to
> stem the
> > tide of Gambian charlatanry. I am terribly disappointed with
> Ambassador Sey.
> > He generally strives to bear on fact and experience. I therefore
hope
> he
> > issues an apology in this matter.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: M. Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: GAMBIA-L <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:36 pm
> > Subject: Raaki.con, GRTS and the Gambia Government
> >
> > Hi!
> > My attention was brought to an interview on Freedom Newspaper?s
radio
> > (http://www.box.net/shared/h750egpg0j> by Essa Sey. In the
> interview, Essa intimated and insinuated that
> > Raaki TV is owned by or fronts for the Gambia
Government. I want to
>
>
> categorically and unequivocally put it to Mr. Sey that his statements
> > regarding Raaki are baseless and false. I further call on him to
use
> > the same medium he used to utter those words to take them back and
> > apologise to Raaki.com and those behind it. I will not front for
> > anybody. If I wanted to declare my support for the government, I
will
> > not hide behind rebroadcasting GRTS material nor will I let myself
be
> > used. I am sovereign citizen with inalienable rights that include
the
> > right to support anyone or any party I like. I am providing Raaki
as
> a
> > public service without expecting a butut in return.
> > Raaki is owned and run by me with the help of my wife. I started
> Raaki
> > on 14th. January 2005 when I believe, Essa was working for the
Gambia
> > Government. Version 2 was launched on 22nd. November 2006. Version
3
> is
> > still not ready but some aspects of it including the GRTS page have
> > been launched. Raaki is named after my daughter who was named after
> my
> > grandmother, a Fula. Raaki is the Fula version of Rohey. The site
has
> > since its inception been completely funded by me. I have never
> received
> > a butut from any government be it the Gambian, Swedish, American,
> > Chinese, Japanese or any other. I have never received a butut from
> any
> > agency or individual towards the maintenance of the site. In fact,
> > suggestions have been made many, many times for me to charge a fee
to
> > recover some of the costs involved and compensate for the time put
> into
> > the effort but I have said no. I don?t even accept advertisements
or
> > use Google Ads on Raaki even though the site has over 1500 unique
> > visitors per day.
> > The motivation for starting Raaki was the fact that Gambian media
> > online was relatively non-existent at the time and the fact that
> > Gambian culture and cultural practitioners were much
underrepresented
> > online. I therefore started the first live Gambian online radio and
> TV
> > to provide Gambians with Gambian material. Due to the bandwidth
> > problems especially those associated with video, I discontinued the
> > live video broadcasts and instead put the videos online whilst the
> live
> > radio broadcasts continued. I used to record GRTS when I visited
> Gambia
> > or ask family and friends to record for me and I encode and make
them
> > available online. When GRTS went on satellite and the opportunity
to
> > get the broadcasts in real-time, I decided to record material for
> > rebroadcast daily.
> > I believe Mr. Sey, that you are on one of the mailing lists and
will
> > read this. I put it to you that you have erred big time. My
> motivation
> > for creating Raaki was not to be used by or front for anybody,
> > government or agency but to offer Gambians abroad the opportunity
to
> > access Gambian material and promote Gambian culture. I hope you get
> > facts straight before making pronouncements. Pa Nderry tried on
> several
> > occasions to correct you but you kept on. I love The Gambia and
will
> > continue to promote it, its culture and its people distractions
> > notwithstanding. GRTS happens to be the only tv station from
Gambia.
> If
> > there were other stations broadcasting from Gambia, I will
broadcast
> > material from them. I feel gratified and happy that Raaki has
> inspired
> > and resulted in the proliferation of sites that promote Gambian
> culture
> > and music. Thank you.
> > Buharry
> >
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> "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and
the
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> for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the
difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed
signs
for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com
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