I just want to take this apportunity to clarify certain issues regarding
Matarr and what some of you have already said.
I belived that most of the people who are infavour of lifting the ban on
Matarr are very interested in the reconcilisation and healing process, and
having the belived that Matarr Njie did learn a lesson from his ban.
First of all i believe that Matarr Njie did not learn any lessons so far as i
am concern. THe reason for this conclution is that Matarr continue to write
private mails to people and insulting them. SO if this is what people are
saying is a lesson learnt,then I am confused.I believed one of the conditions
,if this ban should be lift,will be that MAtarr Njie should immedialtely stop
sending insults to people and he should understand that our parents are not a
part to our dispute with him and he should not insult them. THey do not
subscribe to any of our views and even if they do they deserve not to be part
of Matarr's vengence.
Secondly, the talked about reconciliation and healing. Reconciliation i
believe is between two sides, that is both the victims and the culprits. Even
in SOuth Africa the culprits do appologise for their wrong doings. For that
Reason another conditions will be for Matarr to appologise to all the people
he has been harrasing by sending them constant insults and threat.
Thirdly, Talk about democracy, democracy is not only based on voting , freedom
of speech etc but also to have mutual respect for one and another. Matarr, has
no respect for this foundamental pillar of democracy . Matarr, have no
respect for people he did not share the same views with.
Finally, it is easy for all of us to seat behind our keys boards and throw
words at each other. But one thing we have to remember always is that no
matter what we might be saying to each other ,we might one day meet each other
physically. THis should be at the back of our minds and the last thing we
would pray for is the L to be a place of creating enemies and not friendship,
sisterhood and brotherhood. We have losts of issues to deal with and learn
from and i hope this will be our agenda for the next mellinium.
SO, until then the Struggle Continues!!!
Ndey Jobarteh
Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
G-L,
l am going to apologise and ask your forgiveness and especially that of
Katim Touray since he is subject to the same filth that Matarr has
continually copied or directed to a lot of us in this posting. It is not my
nature to forward such filth to the list, but in view of all this unending
nonse regarding the re-instatement of matarr, despite Katim's very thorough
posting last night, l am doing this to show people what a lot of us have
been subject to, and what they are defending.Therefore, l am taking the
responsibility of forwarding an email to the list that Matarr wrote to Saul
Khan and copied to me TODAY. Yahya, here is a piece of the reasonableness
and human nature you speak of from your friend Matarr Njie.Please tell me
what was insulting about Katim's posting. Here goes:
Saul Khan:
Well, what do you and Katim Touray expect me to do given that you are
labelling me as a psycho, except to FUCK your filthy mother's vagina. Please
do not cry foul, because you initiated the whole game. Katim should
definitely know by now that I do NOT take insults lightly. I hit back and
please do not complain about my choice of words either. Insults are insults!
I find Katim's latest ultimatum a silly and a cheap threat. Hypocritical?
Most certainly.
How does a son of a prostitute like Katim Touray expect reconcilliation and
forgiveness when he continually sees other parties hit below the belt
without intervening? Well, reconcilliation is a two-way street and both
parties to the conflict have to agree to desist from a restarting the
vicious circle. What we have on Gambia-L under the self-appointed managers,
is to tie the hands of one party to the conflict while calling for peace and
reconcilliation. No wonder, the circus is never ending.
You have a nice week ahead.
Matarr.
[log in to unmask] (yeks drame) wrote:
Katim,
I think you did a good job, and whats more even, is the level of
understanding, patient an diplomacy you had demonstrated in this Mattar
issue. I further credit you for the well documented and material evidence
you have revealed to us about the activities of Mattar and his (then) opinon
of the GL.
However, I also find find it strange for you asking me to apologise to the
people. For what? What was wrong with trying to hamonise peace within the
people! I dont think thats offensive, just saying that Mattar needs us as we
needs him ? thats authentic Katim! its a fact, no man is an island! I
apologise then if that is the order of the day here! I did not know that its
offensive to speak your mind here. I know you are embarked on a though job,
managing a forum like this could be stressing and sometimes irritating, but
please do read all the postings that were sent in concerning this debate. I
promise you that, I had all the time extempt myself from any form of emotion
or offensive play. I have been very nutral on this topic! So, am suprised
and dissapointed that you are asking me to apologise to the people. Possibly
I dont get the point right on this list, what is the line for foul play
here?
Notably, the issue is to reconcile, which if it is material shall only
promote awareness and peace in our society, that is what is my stance, sir!
am not trying to disintergrate people instead I want to increase the level
of understanding and tolarance among our people, what is offensive about
that?
On this list we are continiousely reminded of the of backwardness of our
beloved land, Gambia-one of the most degraded, humiliated and rubbed
societies of the world for quite a long time. Your open letter to the
president is part of the most humble solutions for the mass participation of
the people in the development of the Gambia, like wise, the Robinson, and
Dr. Janneh proposals. All these ideas have only been calling for
togetherness and nothing otherwise. Well, in other to achieve that goal we
must differ in ideas and that is one of the ample reason why I appealed for
re suscription of Mattar.
After all said, it is important to realise that, the contribution of the
individual is what complys to collectivism and that is what makes great
ideas. We must always remember that "many hands make light work". Therefore,
collectivism will be minimal if we try to block others because of reasons
that are very human.We must increase our efforts significantly to understand
the nature of certain individuals at certain intervals that makes them
paranoid and act very irresponsible. This rerconciliation process should be
seen as a prequisite to development. It is only when we are organised among
ourselves and make formidable force that we can be able to discuss ideas and
come to solutions.
I hope the list managers would follow this debate attentively and see what
is authentic. I mean., you should read the other postings, and fairly judge
which ones are offensive, in langauage wise and formular! with this regard ,
I strongly condemn the idea that I should apologise to the people. I should
as well add that, I like wise condemn the structural adjustment policies
suggested by some list members as a way of reconciliation, because the place
the haviest burden on the process of reconciliation and instead triggered
anger and reluctancy to submission. I think we should ask those people to
apologise instead!
It would be impossible to achieve reconciliation without subscribing to the
reconcialiatory song of forgiveness. We must remember that liberation is not
begged for but struggled for! and this must include both parties to
liberated.
To this endavour, the managers of the list should listen to this call with
open mind and see the essence of unity. I am sure Mattar and all the others
who were engaged on such foul play will surely understand that we are all
"Pist Off" of this unfortunate situation.
With this regard, list managers, I hope we can closs this chapter in the
name of reconciliation and brotherlyhood and turn to a new one. Sometimes
one can be force to take dicisions unplesant on their side, but in principle
that is most fundamental. This dicision you are about to take is a challenge
to be considerate.
Peace.
Yahya
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