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Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]>
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Habib,

Thanks for an honest response, and I recognise some universal grievances in your words.

You may ignore each and every link. My words are mine. And as you know, there is no compulsion in religion or that anybody should click on a link or read this.

It’s reassuring to know that you work in harmony with rabbis in the US.
It may interest you to know that over here in Sweden, we share the same problem:
(The resident orthodox rabbi is an expert on shechita and Kashrut, but the authorities are not):

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3176717,00.html

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000532.html

Israel is in a post-Zionist phase…yes, I’m looking at the questions and it’s not something I have only been discussing recently. I have been studying and I am familiar with many of the nooks and crannies, of the matter, including Satmar and Naturei Karta, Rabbi Kook too, and have my own views which I will make clear to you in answering the question-s.

http://www.geocities.com/m_yericho/ravkook/KITEZE64.htm

I also have a comprehensive grasp of the various mainstreams of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism and many other religious ideas from China, Japan, Nigeria, Ghana, South Africa, including Jewish peoplehood.

 It’s not clear what you mean by “the original Jews” – if you apply the same to Yoruba, Mandinkas, Foullahs, Wolof, or whether you think that there is some connection  between Goliath (who David slew) and the people you call Palestinians or if you think the philistines were descendants of Sheikh Ishmael, son of Aba Abraham.

 There is no Jewish race, and unlike Hitler and Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Jews do not believe in race. Choseness has been very lucidly and systematically explained by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto, in “The Way of God” – if you care to read it. Or am I supposed to “think for myself” about that too? Well the Almighty is reported to have offered the TORAH to the various nations, and e.g. the Arabs did not want it (it’s said) because they did not like the commandment “Thou shalt not steal” – which incidentally means, thou shalt not kidnap.
It’s here:

http://www.biu.ac.il/JH/Parasha/eng/sukot/kas.html

I got quite tired, a long time ago to hear your brothers–in-Islam griping on the Jews/Zionist   - on a daily basis, for everything, EVERYTHING they find fault with in the world, and expressing regret that Hitler did not complete the job. 

I once told an African brother that it was not the Jewish people who colonised us.
 
 Well, I GOT TIRED. Like getting enough of the Janjaweed terrorists in Darfur and some other places like Iraq and Lebanon that do not seem to concern you that much.
 

 My grasp may be deficient in the eyes of my interlocutors, but in trying to surrender even mind and pen to the service of the Almighty, I pray to the Almighty for strength and depend on Him for everything – so really, what is criticism from you or me, but a test?

When you say that “you should not worry about Mecca and Medina, They are the only cities in he world that the dajja will never enter which makes them the safest , oil or no oil – ”
 Well, Dajjal may not enter ( according to who? Thompson?) but the black stone( al-hajar al Asawd) was stolen and taken to Bahrain, mosques e.g the main one in Medina turned into stables and worse and indeed Dajjal is operating in the mind too: the Catholic Church aslo has its theories about his identity......

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 The home work that I have to do is not reading or googling, but thinking. Facts, plentiful facts are there, some at my fingertips and the sources of those facts were consulted ages ago. There is common knowledge that does not have to be foot-noted, but some common knowledge is not so common. Same with commonsense sometimes.

 (“A pious Catholic had travelled to Israel to visit all the Christian holy places. He arrived at Lake Tiberias, where he was offered a boat trip to the far side.
“How much is the fare?” he asked the boatman.
“Fifty Shekels”
“SO much money for such a short trip?”
 “You must not forget, Sir, that this is no ordinary lake. It’s the lake on which Jesus walked!”
 “With such a high boat fare, I’m not surprised that he did walk!”)

For me it’s still an on-going education, and I calculate that my knowledge doubles every five years or so., although perhaps not these past four years, because I have wasted much time on various not very  intellectually or spiritually stimulating  fora. It’s social and cultural psychology factors that have fascinated me and keeps me here and there, but I hope to be spending more time, studying and doing the service of the heart. Other vanities are less important.

Why do you think I have bosses to report to? I started reading when I was six – maybe earlier, and since then I have been mostly independent, but not entirely independent of my teachers or great music, poetry, love.
 
I have spent some time ( months) on the subjects covered by the links below, and God willing, the little  knowledge I have about these and other relevant matters will soon appear on your screen

http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Dhimmitud
http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=+War+History+of+Islam

 Wa salaam,

 Cornelius

> 
> From: Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/05/30 on AM 07:24:23 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: Isreali etc
> 
> Thanks again brother Cornelius for your great contributions to Africa , May God reward you 
> I work in the halal food industry and I have a lot of Rabbis that work with me as ateam . we respect each other and the one thing we have in common is kosher and Halal 
> i wish we all can see the common things and not the differences we have
> i wish we all simply practice what we are thaught , love for each other respect for each other and recognizing that we will all die one day and leave the worldly things we love so much
> again we have religious leaders on all sides who interprete the holy books to suite thier needs and sow seeds of hate and division
> killing another human being is wrong ( i will never do it no matter what exceptin self defence) no one should be that low and silly 
> there is enough for all of us and humans to share the resources God gave us
> no need to fight and kill over oil as we see in Iraq- it is written in every action we in the usa do in the ancient land where over 30 prophets including the birthplace of our patriac Abraham is from.why 
> we now have private armies like blackwater cheating at all costs while we all have a blind eye to that
> well i cannot neither can you convince each other about the evils of zionism, tribalism, ethnic cleansing, arabism , nepotism and the list goes on and on
> shalom and good nite
> habib
> 
> 

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