Brother Saikou,
Actually it was you I meant to agree with, but then ended up writing Mike
instead.
Best regards,
Nyar'Onyango
*************
----- Original Message -----
From: "samateh saikou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: ****Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political Violence
> Nyar,
>
> You have so much to offer and you very brilliantly did this in your piece
> below.I totally agree with all that you are saying.My problem with my good
> friend Mike seems to be that,should we unite for the purpose of getting
away
> with Jammeh or should we unite for a better Gambia.I am still of the
opinion
> that the porsoe of unity should be greater than a semi fascist regime and
we
> cant separate the two.
> You raised the issue of all the failed African revolutions,that were meant
> to improve the life of our People.All these failures did not come just
> because imperialism is a bad boy.IN my opinion we never dealt with the
issue
> of what we want and have been concentrating much of our efforts on what we
> are opposed to.This is why the day after victory is always a mess.Lets
take
> our own Uganda,which you know better than I do.Amin is long gone,with all
> those who were fighting and dying for a better Uganda and what happened to
> that dream.No it is enough,we must let the masses come in the lead and
> speak their minds too.I agree with you 100 %,no progress will happen
without
> us taking all these dirty mess under the carpet and discuss them.I must
also
> thank you for the many fine articles you have been sending to the
list,keep
> on the good work.Africa has no more time for dictators,it is time they
go
> and never again to come back.
>
> For Freedom
> Saiks
>
>
>
>
> >From: uga749d <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: ****Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> >Violence
> >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:05:44 +0100
> >
> >Fellow brothers and sisters,
> >
> >I don't have anything to offer here, but I do tend to agree with what
Mike
> >is saying. What we need to do first and foremost, is to identify the
root
> >course(s) of our problems - how did it come to be as it is today, and how
> >was it before ? How far back did it start? How do we go about it? -
What
> >is it that makes even our most well-intending leaders all end up almost
in
> >the same way?
> >
> >Do we anticipate to see the results in our present time, or it something
> >that is likely to take a very L O N G time to achieve. If the
> >later
> >is the answer, do I still care to fight on if I am not going to see it
come
> >in my life, or shall I continue with the struggle for the benefit of our
> >future generation?
> >
> >Just look, for example, at all the former colonies and so-called
> >"protectorates". Is the situation unique to just our country?
> >
> >How do other countries foreign policies affect us?
> >
> >How does the "AID" politics work?
> >The IMF, the World Bank, the UN, etc - how do they operate and who
> >benefits - how and why were they created - and do they still bear the
same
> >values (if at all they had any)?
> >
> >How many are we who are capable of seeing this - and how do we get the
> >others to come to this level - how do we go about it?
> >
> >Divide and Rule through their own sons/daughters
> >Impoverise them
> >Distablise the country (if necessary the whole region) - thereby causing
> >little or no human, technical development, etc
> >Make viruses (to be used when and where it is necessary)
> >Instill Fear into them
> >Their good leaders who pose a threat to our interests - turnish their
> >image - get them killed, overthrown and forced to live in exile. Their
> >citizens believe in us - they will believe what we say about him/her
> >Make them look upon us for their solutions - B I N G O!!!!!
> >etc, etc, etc.
> >
> >Do such things sound real to you? - I bet not
> >
> >And did you that there are two very common expressions used on us?
> >
> >(1) AFRICA HAS THE MOST EDUCATED FOOLS
> >
> >(2) AFRICA KILLS HER OWN "SUNS"
> >
> >Also, have you ever asked yourself this question - Who really should be
the
> >POOR, third world? How can a whole continent which is so rich in all the
> >mineral resources on earth, also be the poorest? The raw material needed
> >for technology -most of it, if not all of it comes from Africa
> >
> >Cry! Cry! My Continent Cry!!
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Nyar'Onyango
> >
> >**************
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "samateh saikou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> >Violence
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Great to see your comments and I could not just let this go without
> >letting
> > > you know that you are raising points that are very important at this
> >stage
> > > of the political development.Keep up the good work down there.But
after
> > > saying that I would definitely continue to insist that this form of
> > > political romance has not produced any desired results so far and that
> >we
> > > should be thinking of its importance and even where as we choose to
take
> > > it,how we must not repeat what is happening in Kenya,in Ghana or
> >Senegal.
> > > Good that you took up the Kenyan case.You might be surprise to know
that
> >one
> > > of those marking big political noise in Kenya today is Moi.I happen to
> >know
> > > Koiki whiles he was in exile in Norway,a very nice brother,who never
> > > continue his University studies in the USA, he called it off and
> >returned
> > > home to take up the struggle .He was from a Poor family,upon his
> > > returned,the many tortures,detentions etc for decades did not stop him
> >and
> > > today he is a member of parliament.You don't just have little respect
> >for
> > > such type of people,you respect them more than anything else.What
happen
> > > after the victory ?The frustrations that people in that country are
> >facing
> > > right now is overshadowing the cosmetic changes that have so far taken
> > > place, and in the next stage,if things remain as they are,you will see
> >Moi
> > > emerging again as a national hero.The first thing that this new
> >Parliament
> > > did was to increase their salaries in such a way and manner that the
> > > majority of Kenyans began to question what happened to the slogan
> >"Without
> > > Moi,everything is possible".I don't believe that Jammeh will be there
as
> > > long as Jawara,the political situation in the country is not saying
> >that,but
> > > what will follow,do we have to wait until then to talk about it ?What
I
> >am
> > > insisting on is that there are many examples of such, are we learning
> >from
> > > them ? I disagree with you on the issue of democracy and social
> >changes.For
> > > me these are two inseparable life issues that must go hand in hand and
> >not
> > > one waiting for the another or that one become the product of the
> > > other.Pinochet is gone and where is Chile today ?We must not think
that
> >such
> > > are automatic development,they are all products of struggle for a
better
> > > society.In my opinion I don't think that it is correct to habour the
> >believe
> > > in us that,all that is important is get rid of the semi fascist APRC
> >regime
> > > and all that will follow will be the good.Do we know how the PDOIS or
> >UDP
> >or
> > > take NDAM for that matter,believed in what manner an "Independent
> >Electoral
> > > Committee" should function ?Do we know what the PDOIS ,UDP or Ndam
are
> > > thinking of how political power should be transferred from day one to
> >the
> > > ordinary Gambian people ?It seems these are some of the questions you
> >mean
> > > to say that we wait with until Jammeh is gone.That is not our
> > > experience,ours is that,we Had Jawara for more than 30 years of
> >political
> > > brutality and economic mismanagement and then Jammeh.There is no
better
> >time
> > > for us to guarantee our selves that,never again "a political
> >fascist"than
> > > now.I don't believed it is a question of the future but now.
> > >
> > > For Freedom
> > > Saiks
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: malik kah <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> > > > Violence
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:24:28 +0000
> > > >
> > > >Sheiks, I share your sentiments but what you fail to realise is that
> >such
> > > >coalitions are not designed or meant to address the fundamental
issues
> >you
> > > >raised, issues such as the living conditions of the people such
issues
> >are
> > > >and must be embeded on principles guided by ideology and the parties
> >that
> > > >normally forge such coalitions do not normally share a common
> >ideological
> > > >approac for their existence is usually conditioned by the fact that a
> > > >change
> > > >to re-start is both essential and inevitable, if there exist a facist
> > > >regime
> > > >it is incumbent on all and sundry to devsie a strategy to oust them
and
> > > >after they are gone, it is assumed that a mouch more healthier
climate
> >than
> > > >hitherto existed would ensue and this is precisely why a bonding of
> >this
> > > >nature is increasingly popular. Such coalitions are essentially not
> > > >designed
> > > >to address needs but to redress democratic deficiencies that have
> >become
> > > >the
> > > >norm of governance under tyrants or despots. Obviously the need to
> >address
> > > >some issues are prerequisites to forging such alliances but their
> >greater
> > > >good are self evident. For instance take Kenya, eventhough everything
> >is
> > > >not
> > > >rosy, but the fact MOI had been ousted is a good thing, obviously a
lot
> >of
> > > >issues needs to be further explored to give back power to the people,
> >for
> > > >me
> > > >I see it as a single step towards the right direction, I have taken
on
> > > >board
> > > >some of your reservations but broadly I think with a rustic
electorate
> >in
> > > >Africa and the continued exploitation of the gullibility of the
people,
> >the
> > > >strategy of coming together from opposing poles to create a more
> >tolereant
> > > >political lanscape is welcoming.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >>Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing Political
> > > >> Violence
> > > >>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:03:51 +0000
> > > >>
> > > >>Mr Drammeh,
> > > >>
> > > >>I have been enjoying your exchange and the many interesting issues
you
> > > >>have
> > > >>been putting us through.However there are certain points that I
> >believed
> > > >>are
> > > >>not inline with my own view of what is going on.
> > > >>The Political situation in Senegal is very interesting and we as
> >Gambians
> > > >>should pay great attentions to the developments there.First,let me
> >tell
> > > >>you
> > > >>what I feel about Negritude.The reason why I believed that Africans
> >are
> > > >>not
> > > >>interested in this political thought, is because of the fact that it
> >has
> > > >>been the most reactionary political thought that has ever emerged in
> >the
> > > >>continent since independent.Negritude was posing itself as an
> >alternative
> > > >>to
> > > >>Pan-Africanism,reducing its meaning to the well known slogan of the
> > > >>founder
> > > >>"Reason Greek,emotion African".Critics like Anta Jobe have accused
> > > >>Senghore
> > > >>of not knowing his history and for that reason came to such a
> > > >>conclusion.Negritude does not only say that all that is black is
> > > >>"beautiful"
> > > >>but also glorifying terrible African history,conditions and
> >culture.This
> > > >>you
> > > >>can simply find out in the writings of both Senghore and likes of
Lye
> > > >>Camara
> > > >>of Guinea.The most interesting contradictions is that,must of these
> >people
> > > >>live a life very different from that of the African.Take Senghore's
> >"Night
> > > >>in Sine" and compare this with the life of Senghore and the
condition
> >of
> > > >>the
> > > >>African Woman in the village.Falsifying the African culture,history
or
> > > >>beign
> > > >>is the least we need as a struggling continent.
> > > >> Secondly the Political situation in Senegal is perhaps more
> > > >>complicated.For more than 10 years,Senegalese oppositions Parties
have
> > > >>been
> > > >>working together to bring about political change in that country and
> >among
> > > >>the most active in this work were the most progressive political
> >parties
> > > >>in
> > > >>that country,who were also banned political parties during the
Period
> >of
> > > >>Senghore and the bann lifted by the Joof.After bringing down the PS
> > > >>regime,these people are now face with another situation and the
> >condition
> > > >>of
> > > >>the ordinary Senegalese still the same.
> > > >>The lesson for us Gambians is that,is it just enough that we are
> >against
> > > >>the
> > > >>semi fascist APRC regime or do we want a better Gambia after
> >Jammeh.This
> > > >>is
> > > >>what is the problem with people like me and my lack of interest in a
> > > >>unified
> > > >>Opposition against Jammeh.Not only in Senegal,but in Accra too this
is
> >the
> > > >>problem,even though bringing down the regime of Junior Judas brought
> >hope
> > > >>to
> > > >>the ordinary people,very little has changed in the life of ordinary
> > > >>Ghanaians.Are the opposition parties capable of bringing about
change
> >for
> > > >>a
> > > >>better Gambia.Do we ever here them telling us how is this going to
> >take
> > > >>place.Much of what we hear from them is what they are against and
> >most
> >of
> > > >>us agree with them on those issue.Learning from Senegal or
Ghana,will
> >mean
> > > >>that the oppositions parties tell us what they are for and how they
> >are
> > > >>going to go about it and then we can put in place things that will
> >make
> >it
> > > >>impossible to have another fascist regime,light or strong.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>For Freedom
> > > >>Saiks
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>From: Oko Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >>><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >>>Subject: Re: SV: Fw: Thousands March in Protest At Growing
Political
> > > >>> Violence
> > > >>>Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:55:44 +0100
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Culture and Life.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>We want Africa to asset her self, to preserve her personality to up
> >hold
> > > >>>and excercise her Lirbety
> > > >>>of actions .We want Africa to recover her dignity which should be
> > > >>>expressed
> > > >>>and acknowledge.
> > > >>>Senegal is a hurdle too high to jump.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>QUOATATION
> > > >>>" I notice that all of thoes comminting on Senegalese politics are
> >the
> > > >>>ones
> > > >>>who never made a
> > > >>>single comment on the APRC regime "
> > > >>>Jabou Joh wrote.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>This is what this time of political emergence of the African people
> >to
> > > >>>liberty and dignity
> > > >>>commands us to do.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Renovations should sweep the past But sadly Senegal; is still
> >strengthen
> > > >>>by colonialism.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>There is oppression in the Gambia as a nation but in Senegal there
is
> > > >>>still
> > > >>>Neo colonialism and
> > > >>>ANTI-African Unity a virus that affects the Contienent of Africa as
a
> > > >>>whole
> > > >>>and the diaspora..
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Much respect and Love.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>For The records.
> > > >>>Oko Drammeh
> > > >>>
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