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"Habib Ghanim, Sr" <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:37:02 -0800
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Brother Saul,
Asalamualaikum
With all due respects , Jabou is contributing in the best way she sees fit and
has the right to support anyone she wants. Maybe you may have misunderstood her
message but I do not think she tried to  accuse you  and yes she can use this
medium on the G-L to express her views just as you also have . Please respect
each others opinion and ours on the GL too without taking offense.

I respectfully beg you and sister Jabou to continue this interesting topic with
dignity and professionalism.
I hope that it was the fasting tthat got to both of you and am sure when you
break the fast with a full stomach ,we will all be smiling again.

Wasalaam
Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr

saul khan wrote:

> Jabou,
>
> This is a very busy time for me, and I was going to dismiss this piece as
> another hypocritical mumbo-jumbo, but this is beyond that. First of all, the
> length of your stay in America is irrelevant to me.
> I have never questioned your right to support Halifa or anyone else for that
> matter. However, I have a problem with you villifying us who question
> Halifa's behavior in the past few years. In other words, you can be a PDOIS
> Yai Compinn as long as you don't do that at our expense.
>
> Secondly, I find it totally sickening that you would tell a BLATANT LIE that
> I sent you Instant Messages asking you questions about yourself. That has
> never happened, and you know it! This is the Ramadan. And I swear to the
> holy Quran - pegged to my mother's life that I've NEVER sent you any private
> communication. Therefore, for a parent like yourself to post such falsity on
> a public forum is simply disgraceful. You ought to be ashamed of yourself,
> Jabou. If you want to argue about politics, that's one thing. But to lie
> about me this way is a shame.
>
> I would not even bother arguing with you anymore 'cause if you can lie about
> me this way, only god knows what you're capable of.
>
> Saul.
>
> >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Cherno Baba: Re: Halifa Sallah, PDOIS & Foroyaa
> >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:36:03 EST
> >
> >Saul,
> >
> >l did not realize that you had decided that my being in America all these
> >years has disqualified me as a Gambian who is concerned about the welfare
> >of
> >Gambia and Gambians, as well as to voice my support for politicians who in
> >my
> >estimation have proven their competence and  integrity to be future leaders
> >who can make a positive difference  for our country, and also  to beg to
> >differ with your views  on this present issue. The  years l have spent in
> >America  seem to be a recurring theme  in your responses to any comments l
> >make, and yet, you have not boarded a plane back home yet, although l guess
> >you seem to think yourself more entitled to make remarks on Gambian
> >politics
> >than myself.Is it  your conclusion then that l cannot possibley know what
> >the
> >political issues facing our nation are, and what constitutes  positive
> >change
> >in our country? That is bizare to say the least.l never realized when you
> >started sending me "instant messages"  whenever l was online, and asking me
> >questions regarding how long l had been in this country, and about other
> >aspects of my life, that you were saving it to use as ammunition towards
> >me.
> >l rather thought that you were just another nice Gambian young man wanting
> >to
> >chat  with me.
> >
> >  l or anyone else do not need to explain the questions you are throwing at
> >Halifa,since it is obvious that Halifa  himself is doing a superb job of
> >that.Actually, as someone already mentioned, this has served as a golden
> >opportunity for me and others to gain an even better insight into what
> >Halifa
> >and PDOIS stand for, and has strengthened my conviction that they are part
> >and parcel of everything that can move our country forward. But l can
> >understand your view on this since it is also obvious that no explanation
> >is
> >going to suffice.
> >
> >The personal attack allegation l made is well founded, and the way that you
> >and Cherne Baba pounce on anyone who so much as utters any remark that is
> >even remotely favourable towards Halifa  goes to reinforce this every
> >time.It
> >is becoming quite apparent  that even though you say your motives are  to
> >critically assess  public  figures, you had already made up your minds and
> >any explanation given will not change  this, and this has already been
> >pointed out.While you are entitled to your pre-conceived  opinion, what
> >baffles me is  why you are hell-bent on making sure that no one utters any
> >opinion that is favourable to Halifa's position on these issues. Each time
> >a
> >comment is made on this forum that is in line with your views on this
> >issue,
> >not a word is said by either of you, but  even the hint of a differing
> >opinion sends you into a frenzy,   complete with rude  personal remarks
> >directed at the author, even as you try to make us believe that we are
> >dealing with unbiased and principled  people who are motivated only by what
> >is good for our country and people, and who are not into personal attacks
> >or
> >agendas.As l said, as this debate continues,  it is undoubtedly giving all
> >of
> >us a glimpse into much  more than only Mr Sallah's character.   The
> >recurring
> >theme  of "shut up" and "don't confuse the debate" is  resonating on the
> >L.Could it be that you want to keep only  the same trend of thought
> >emanating
> >from you on everyone else's  mind regarding this issue, in the hope that
> >the
> >rest of us will somehow come to share  your opinions if none other is
> >expressed?. No chance of that my friends. What a strange reaction  for
> >someone with such lofty ideals.
> >
> >Jabou Joh
> >
> >
> >Cherno,
> >
> >  Thanks for this piece. I was going to give this woman a thorough dressing
> >  down, but she's not even worth it. Having been in America all these
> >years,
> >  it's mind-boggling that she's questioning people's rights to critically
> >  assess public figures. Despite all this smokescreen she's putting out,
> >she
> >  (like Alpha or Basiru Ndow,) is yet to explain any of the questions being
> >  thrown at Halifa. If they can do that, we'll all be better off. I'm
> >waiting
> >  for Halifa to say something about the personal attack allegation bit she
> >has
> >  thrown out at me.
> >
> >  But, I appreciate your very succint synopsis of our position. Let them
> >keep
> >  trying to confuse the debate.
> >
> >  Saul.
> >   >>
> >
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