"This is not 1950s or 60’s USA- this is Sweden in 2006 and we’ve come a long way don’t you
think?"


First of all, I'm presuming that Cornelius is white, if not then I stand corrected on the below
statemnet that I'm about to make.


I hate it when white people talk like this.  Oh, so just because it's not socially acceptable for
the Klan to burn crosses in someone's front yard, or becuase lynching is no longer the norm or
socially acceptable anymore, then "progress" has been made?  OK, maybe in some ways, yes, but just
becuase virulent and overt racism is no longer socially acceptable, it doesn't mean that it's not
gone underground and has taken different forms in order to disguise itself!  Oh, yes, racism is
very much alive and well.  And though we've made some progress, I wonder sometimes just how much
progress we've actually made.  And just because a black person is in a position of power or
authority doesn't mean anything.  What better way to get what you want than to "get the natives to
do the dirty work", as it were, then, a white person wouldn't have to admit to being "racist" or
"Anti-Muslim" or whatever the case may be, because they can look to "the native" and say, "Look,
they are saying the same thing I'm saying, so what is the problem"?  And then they can make it
like said minority who's in the position of power, they can make them the supposed spokesperson
for said minority community, when they indeed may not be speaking or representative of that
community at all.


Do you honestly think that someone like Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell are representative oof
most black peole int he US?  Or, that these two people represent that views of most black people?


Would you think that Hirsi Ali represents the views of most Dutch Muslims, well, that is before
she got darn near booted out of the Netherlands for it coming to light that her whole story was a
fraud anyway.


"Nyamko Sabuni  has been appointed to help the process  of (our) and outsider Swedes 
integration".


As I said, better to get the natives to do your dirty work for you, than for you to have to soil
your hands and do it yourself!  Better yet if you can get the "natives" to sound and be more
racist than even you, the white people, are.  Besides, what is "integration" anyway?  How far does
that go.  Are we going to stop with forcing young girls to undergo invasive medical exames?  It
seems this lady was put in this position, not to "help" integration, but to help to institute
anti-immigration policies, and make that somehow carry more weight with the so-called "immigrants"
because it's a so-called immigrant who is trying to institute these changes.  Whereas if it was a
Swedish minister doing this, the assumption is that there would not be any credibility because
they would be recognized as racist, xenophobic, etc.  


"and  we don’t have to start shaking the ramparts like Malcolm X etc"

Perhaps you should let those who are suffering the racism, oppression, etc., decide for themselves
what barricades need to be brought down, and how they should be brought down.  It's like the
master trying to tell the slave how, when, and where to revolt.  Or the Colonizer telling the
colonized how they should fight for their own liberationa nd independence.  Whatever.

"what barricades do you want
to bring down by any force other than legislation,"

Didn't we just talk about this?  Perhaps education could be used.  However, forcing girls to
undergo exames, etc., and making people into barbarism and reducing them to less than human status
because of their cultural practices is not the way to go.

"and the kind that is not easily legislated into
Swedish consciousness which may be permeated by the thought that all our women have been deprived
of their clitoris"

Permeated by what?  What?  I'm missing something here.  So the status of a woman's clitoris, or
her private parts of her body should be the public business of the Swedish government?  And what
does a man care about a woman's clitoris anyway?  I think this is all rather, well, a poor attempt
at disguising people's absolutely virulent racism, prejuidce, and lack of tolerance of other
people who just might think, feel, and act differently than them, and then at the same time, they
are trying to couch it in terms like "tolerance" "openness", etc.  What hypocrites!

" –( OK and we agree with Ginny about a more cautious approach –"

Really, when you've just seemingly been singing Sabuni's praises, and talking about women's body
parts needing to be public business, yeah, cautious approach my foot.


"as the Pope
was saying – mutual respect –"

Mutual respect?  Yeah right.  He can talk about mutual respect all he wants, while he sits there
and quotes from people who say that Islam is evil, and that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon
him), brought nothing but evil.  yeah, right mutual respect.  Whatever!  Europe's hypocrisy
rearing it's ugly head again.


"for arguments sake  -  even of dubious human rights violations
performed on the female human species of whatever colour or culture ?"


There you go again, you really don't have a very tactful way of talking about the woman's body, do
you?  I'd almost think you have some sort of, I don't know, fixation with what is done to a
woman's body, but I, of course could be wrong.  But then again, I'm sensitive to how men talk
about and describe women's bodies anyway, becuase most men do it in a most insulting and
insensitive way.

 "Now what are you griping about? WHO would you like to be  Minister of INTEGRATION and Gender
Equality:?"

Uh, duh, possibly someone who actually cares about the people they are purporting to help? 
Someone who is sensitive to thier needs and their culture?  Without being a surgoate and puppet
for the racists / bigots?  That might be a start you think?



Ginny

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