Jobe, again I am NOT surprised that you are totally off the mark. Of course
a moron like you that will shamelessly worship child-murderers will NOT see
the point I was making when I addressed that mail to the List Managers. If
you are at all familiar with what ensued in this forum vis-a-vis censorship,
you will realize that I am a 100% 'Free Speech' guy. Unlike some of you,
these rules from List Management are NOT news to me. I studied them
carefully in the past because they affected some friends of mine. When the
rules were introduced, I denounced them as unworkable; almost impossible to
police effectively. I still have that view.

I hope my comments on the rules will NOT be construed by List Management as
undermining certain actions they took yesterday. Whereas I will NOT advocate
for the removal of members from the List, I also do NOT defend vermin that
declared war on me. I am NOT a hypocrite that loves his enemies. You slap me
on one chick, you get your brains blown out. You will NEVER get the other
chick. So, for the consumption of List Management, I am looking here at the
bigger picture.

I believe those of us that want to constantly contribute on this forum and
expose ourselves to all sorts of deranged people, should develop a thick
skin. When a kid curses you and call you a coward while you are trying to
defend his/her impotent parents in Banjul (that are powerless before Yaya),
you should just laugh it off and know that you are dealing with a
loose-canon. You try containing the kid, you stoop to his level and make
him/her feel important. You can silence these morons without censoring them
on G_L. Just show them how uncouth they are. They will get back to their
senses and behave like well-bred adults (eventually). There is no need for
the baby-sitting as some have put it.

Turning to the moron, Jobe, I will make another hopeless attempt to bring
you up to speed about my 'complaint'. The 'advise' you gave for shutting up
when one does not know what one is talking about, should have been given to
you. You are clue-less about the genesis of that 'complaint'. See, it was
news to the likes of you what was happening to Kujabi all these months. You
had no idea what transpired between me and Jaiteh regarding the matter.
Before Jaiteh, you had no idea how I feel about these rules and the numerous
private exchanges I had with List Managers regarding the application of
these rules. You probably never digested these rules properly and understand
their effect.

I bet the first time you saw my 'complaint' you wondered what in the world I
was talking about. Being the moron you are, you did not seek to educate
yourself before you jump and make conclusions about my 'complaint'. If only
you read the rules, you will realize that I painstakingly applied published
G_L rules to the letter. I deliberately used words such as 'complaint',
'retract', 'apology', 'delisting' 'backing up ones statements', 'offensive'
etc. I did that to prove a point. I will not get into the nitty-gritty
because I have decided to put that discussion behind us. But I counsel you
to re-read the rules and also read my exchange with Jaiteh on G_L that
culminated to my 'complaint'. I hope when you do, it will penetrate your
thick skull what was going on. For the record, let me just spell out for you
that the 'complaint' gave Jaiteh and the List Managers various options apart
from 'delisting' (as stipulated in the G_L rules).

If I were the type that goes around gagging people, I would have done like
some of the people on your side and whined to the List Managers a long time
ago about some of the garbage thrown to my end on G_L. I fight my own
battles.

To conclude, I respectfully urge the List Managers to have their eyes on the
ball. I believe they mean well. To Mr. Camara, I say, this is NOT a crisis
at all. If you look at the exchanges between me, Jaiteh and the List
Managers regarding this 'complaint', and bear in mind Kujabi's plight, you
will realize that our exchanges were conducted in a civil, reasoned and
matured manner. We put G_L rules to a test. My assessment is that the rules
are unworkable. Side comments made regarding the exchange I had with List
Management and Jaiteh, are just side comments. Irrelevant to the big picture
(whether the rules work or not) if you ask me. I think that rather than
trying to control the vermin in our midst, we should try to develop a thick
skin and let the morons make fools of themselves and be ostracized by good
folks. If the monitoring on Kujabi have not been removed, I again appeal to
the List Managers to remove it. People that use uncouth language are just
doing a disservice to themselves. They take away nothing from the great job
this forum is doing. And if those of us whom they attack are comfortable
with who we are, we should not be overly bothered by the irrational
rattling.
KB



>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: My Perspectives On The Gambia-L Rules Et Al
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:55:08 -0000
>
>Mr. Makaveli, you wrote:
>
>"The fact remains that you goona have the Kebba Jobes who proudly chose to
>hide their identity, say whatever they feel like and have no same or
>repercussions. He keeps telling us his identity is not the issue but those
>who write here with their real names are forced to be accountable with what
>they write here. So it does no justice treat the likes of Kebba Jobe
>lightly
>while putting the Ansumana Kujabis, who I may add uses his real name, under
>such intense microscopic scrutiny. Because The Ansumana Kujabis use their
>real name they either defend themselves by putting their points across and
>apologize whe they see any wrong-doing. But for the Kebba Jobes, what do
>they have to loose. They don't take the risk many of us who use our real
>names put ourselves when we provide damaging information to say the APRC
>for
>instance. For all I know they can curse at anyone they choose, get delisted
>and come back with 5 or 10 alias and still do whatever their heart desires.
>To that note, purnishment to those who use their real name seems more
>severe".
>
>With all due respect, get me out of this. You know full well that despite
>the fact that I am using an alias, out of choice, I always engage people on
>issues. Of course occasionally I am tempted to jump into the gutter with
>some of you, but most of the time I restrain myself. The fact remains that
>I
>know that "Truth, beauty or contact lenses are in the eyes of the
>beholder".
>Vulgarity and pettines will not do anybody any good. The fact that I am
>contributing anything on this list using an alias does not give me the
>right
>to insult anybody. It does not also mean that when I unwittingly hurt
>somebody I should not appologise. For the record, when I first joined this
>list, I did so with an open mind and was prepared to exchange ideas with
>anybody about what is best for our country. However when certain
>individuals
>thought that they had a monopoly of ideas and that nobody can/should
>question whatever they write, that's when I started having a problem. I,
>being a very independent thinker of my own, decided to pursue my own
>course.
>It is very amazing that only a very small number of you show any sign of
>being honest. These people know themselves so I need not name them. Despite
>my many differences with many of you, I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT I HAVE EARNED
>THE RESPECT OF THE HONEST ONES ON THIS LIST. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!!!!!!
>
>You again wrote:
>
>"I can go and on with other incidences but as you see folks, it is almost
>impossible to control a forum of consenting adults of this
>magnitude. That is why we should be open minded and try to have a certain
>level of respect for one another. if our conscience doesn't help us, our
>emotions will not either".
>
>Makaveli, come straight to the point. Kebba Dampha has nothing to complain
>about, let alone calling for the delisting of one of the list managers.
>Sometimes it is better "To keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than
>to speak and remove all doubt". Tell Kebba Dampha to just SHUT UP!!!
>
>To Ansumana Kujabi if by your own volition you admit "Why monitor Kujabi,
>whiles we have the KEBBA JOKES and ESSAS putting us through hell", I say
>you
>ain't seen nothing yet.
>
>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
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