Saiks.
You are deadly right KB has to acept the wrong doings of PPP for 27years.
Jawara era and present Gambia under this mental midget Jammeh are birds
of the same feather,Corruptions,Lack of disipline,intimidation of political
opponents and crimes against humanity you name it.But of course i can see
KB's stands for Jawara regime since he is married to a daugther of Jawara's
sister and part of that history.Moreover is the Gambian people who suffers
since our independence with two incompetant regimes,Our people don't
deserve this so let KB face the reality Gambia has a long way to go in future
infact is worst under Jammeh i have to admit that but never again Jawara and
crew.Have a nice week folks. Please KB say hello to (MARY).
Fye Samateh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "saikss" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
KB,
What have you read in the postings of Sidebeh or my own posting about the
brutality and the economic mismanagement under the PPP regime that is not
correct ,you are the very one trying to rewrite the history of our country
because of the simple fact that you were part of that corrupt and brutal
regime and as the little boy of OJ.I was just reading an article from the
Independent about the corrupt and brutal nature of the PPP regime and one
thing that comes out there is the lies of OJ regarding the Jawara farm at
Banjulinding.One thing the author forget to add to that lie is that those who
were working there(the Agric.expert)were all Government employees,paid with
the tax monies of the Gambian People.If you are proud of this regime is simply
because of the fact that you were part of this dirty,corrupt affairs .What
happened to the KUDC ?what have you been doing there etc,etc all these issues
you and all those involved will have to answer these questions one day,the tax
payers money that you and your likes have been misussing must be paid back to
the Gambian People.From Jammeh to Jawara is one thing that we have to struggle
with for a better Gambia,but returning back to your corrupt,brutal political
activities over our dead bodies.When we are through with the Jammeh regime our
victory will be for a better Gambia and not the return of you and your God
Fathers. This is a final note on this issue.
For Freedom
Saiks
>===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
<[log in to unmask]> =====
>Saiks, it is a truism (goes without saying) that respect has to be EARNED.
>Sidibeh can be as old as Methuselah if you want. That still does NOT mean
>that I have to allow him to LIE about Gambian politics and portray a bunch
>of bandits as 'patriots' freeing our country from foreign invaders. That is
>NOT my idea of what chanced in 1981. If you or Sidibeh want people to
>respect you, you should endeavor to speak the truth and nothing but the
>truth. I respect Hamjatta and I am older than him. I warned both you and
>Sidibeh that if you want to write about the history of The Gambia, you can
>be my guest. BUT just remember that you will be held accountable. Any LIES
>will be debunked. Period.
>
>Let's talk about history and politics if you want. Just remember the old
>adage that he who lives in a glass house should NOT throw stones. I will
>also remind you that there are certain heinous (War) crimes that are outside
>the purview of the Statutes of Limitation. In other words, some people that
>carried AK-47s in 1981, terrorizing innocent Gambians and killing Senegalese
>soldiers should be very CAREFUL about what they say about Gambian 'history'.
>
>Finally, say whatever you want about my 'political understanding of events'.
>What I know is that I 'understand' TRUTH when I see/hear it.
>KB
>
>
>
>>From: saikss <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:09:14 +0100
>>
>>KB
>>
>>An amonut of respect might be very important for the future,Sidebeh is not
>>my
>>boy and infact he is older than I am.He is not your class when it comes to
>>political understanding of events,you can see it in his writtings,simple
>>and
>>clear.
>>For Freedom
>>Saiks
>>
>> >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]> =====
>> >Saiks, good advise to your boy. As you know, I do NOT take prisoners.
>> >KB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: saikss <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >><[log in to unmask]>
>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:40:10 +0100
>> >>
>> >>Sidebeh,
>> >>
>> >>Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading
>>you.His
>> >>chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political
>>substance.The
>> >>30
>> >>years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of
>>the
>> >>PPP
>> >>regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human
>>beings.KB
>> >>is
>> >>part of those who made this dirty history of our dear Country, that he
>>is
>> >>said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a
>>dialectical
>> >>developement of every objective political and economic situation,this
>> >>simple
>> >>political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand.
>> >>
>> >>For Freedom
>> >>Saiks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >><[log in to unmask]> =====
>> >> >Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of
>>me.
>> >> >Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you
>>accountable
>> >>for
>> >> >your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is
>>making
>> >> >you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT
>>care
>> >>who
>> >> >you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT
>>know
>> >>you
>> >> >and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run
>> >>with
>> >> >your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep
>>having
>> >> >nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel
>> >>mask).
>> >> >I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you,
>>you
>> >> >start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be
>>on
>> >>your
>> >> >back like an 'overbearing tortoise' (whatever that means). I wonder
>>what
>> >> >makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give
>>you
>> >> >license to tell lies on G_L.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind
>>you
>> >> >about a 'vulgar cartoon on MTV' with all the gory details you gave us.
>> >>You
>> >> >should stop watching those kids' shows and get your act together. I
>>will
>> >> >ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you
>>sober
>> >> >up.
>> >> >KB
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >> >><[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >> >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson
>>carries
>> >>a
>> >> >>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on
>>this
>> >> >>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again,
>> >>Kukoi
>> >> >>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in
>>detail
>> >> >>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend
>> >>who's
>> >> >>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too
>> >> >>unfortunate.
>> >> >>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best
>> >>musiscians,
>> >> >>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was
>>there.
>> >> >>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small
>> >>group
>> >> >>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping
>> >>brains,
>> >> >>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle,
>>lined
>> >> >>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution,
>> >>right
>> >> >>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your
>> >>nonsensical
>> >> >>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still
>> >> >>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot
>>get
>> >>me
>> >> >>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you
>>will
>> >> >>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so
>>much
>> >> >>gushing prattle on Gambia-L.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath -
>>Swedes
>> >> >>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed that heavy and
>> >>overbearing
>> >> >>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba;
>>and
>> >>no
>> >> >>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou
>> >> >>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from?
>>Tell
>> >>me,
>> >> >>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are
>>concerned,
>> >>I'm
>> >> >>gone!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Momodou S Sidibeh,
>> >> >>Stockholm/Kartong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM
>> >> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the
>> >>sloppy
>> >> >>job
>> >> >> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the
>>first
>> >> >>person
>> >> >> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody
>>profess
>> >>to
>> >> >>be
>> >> >> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the
>> >>events
>> >> >>of
>> >> >> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible
>>behavior
>> >>of
>> >> >> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY
>>overthrow
>> >>a
>> >> >> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken
>>seriously?
>> >>Do
>> >> >>I
>> >> >> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about
>> >>Gambian
>> >> >> > history is clouded?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No
>>matter
>> >>what
>> >> >> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia
>>was
>> >>an
>> >> >> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone
>>wanted
>> >>to
>> >> >> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot
>>box.
>> >>Does
>> >> >> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot
>>read
>> >>or
>> >> >> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and
>> >>therefore
>> >> >>it
>> >> >> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government
>> >>through
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that
>> >> >>Democracy
>> >> >> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this
>> >>type
>> >> >>of
>> >> >> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they
>>know
>> >> >>better
>> >> >> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people.
>> >>People
>> >> >>do
>> >> >> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same
>>token,
>> >> >> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to
>>make
>> >> >>sound
>> >> >> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo
>> >> >>Jallow)
>> >> >> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child
>> >> >>murderers
>> >> >> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help
>>him
>> >>to
>> >> >>fare
>> >> >> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of
>> >>farmers
>> >> >>in
>> >> >> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What
>>'education'
>> >> >>does
>> >> >> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize
>> >>murder
>> >> >>and
>> >> >> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians
>>to
>> >> >>think
>> >> >> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in
>> >>because
>> >> >> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the
>> >>bandits
>> >> >> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our
>> >>country
>> >> >> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would
>> >> >>rather
>> >> >> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address
>>the
>> >> >>roles
>> >> >> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon
>> >>Talibo
>> >> >> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the
>> >>numerous
>> >> >> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian
>> >>lives?
>> >> >> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a
>>Senegalese
>> >> >>friend
>> >> >> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced
>> >>fighting
>> >> >>an
>> >> >> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of
>>the
>> >> >> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary
>> >>would
>> >> >>free
>> >> >> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and
>>unleash
>> >>them
>> >> >> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were
>>committing
>> >>a
>> >> >> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day).
>>The
>> >> >>then
>> >> >> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a
>> >> >>friendly
>> >> >> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime.
>>Now
>> >> >>Sidibeh
>> >> >> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to
>> >>the
>> >> >> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked
>> >>him
>> >> >>about
>> >> >> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt
>>with
>> >>in
>> >> >>some
>> >> >> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are
>>NOT
>> >> >>news.
>> >> >> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk
>>about
>> >> >>them
>> >> >> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But
>>when
>> >>it
>> >> >> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP,
>> >> >>Sidibeh
>> >> >> > will conveniently ignore those.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at
>> >>least
>> >> >>to
>> >> >> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you
>> >>supported
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP
>>did
>> >>in
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should
>>return
>> >>if
>> >> >> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the
>> >>point
>> >> >>we
>> >> >> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they
>>simply
>> >> >>would
>> >> >> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will
>>NOT
>> >>sit
>> >> >>by
>> >> >> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a
>> >> >>'savior'.
>> >> >> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously
>>try
>> >>to
>> >> >> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions.
>>God
>> >> >>help us
>> >> >> > from the 'educated Gambian'.
>> >> >> > KB
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > >From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> >> >> > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>> >> >> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Mr Sidibeh,
>> >> >> > > Thank you very much for a very well written
>> >> >> > >retrospective. I
>> >> >> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your
>> >> >>perspective
>> >> >> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care
>> >>about.
>> >> >> > >While
>> >> >> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative
>>to
>> >> >>Moja ,
>> >> >> > >I
>> >> >> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your
>> >> >>inception
>> >> >> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any
>> >> >>society
>> >> >> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full
>>compliment
>> >>of
>> >> >>ideas
>> >> >> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of
>> >>improving
>> >> >>our
>> >> >> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very
>> >>candid
>> >> >> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja.
>>You
>> >> >> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes
>> >> >> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA.
>>In
>> >>a
>> >> >> > >strange
>> >> >> > >way, both of these reasons point to what I call a destructive
>> >> >>propensity
>> >> >> > >for
>> >> >> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending
>> >>field
>> >> >> > >forces
>> >> >> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different
>> >>ideas
>> >> >>was
>> >> >> > >the
>> >> >> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in
>> >>preserving
>> >> >> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient
>> >>judgment
>> >> >>of
>> >> >> > >some
>> >> >> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under
>>the
>> >> >>spurious
>> >> >> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same
>>selfish
>> >> >>streak
>> >> >> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing
>>some
>> >> >>people
>> >> >> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and
>> >>good
>> >> >> > >ideas
>> >> >> > >become casualties.
>> >> >> > > I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not
>>support
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > >Kukoi
>> >> >> > >coup but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend
>> >>the
>> >> >> > >country
>> >> >> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the
>> >>process.
>> >> >>I
>> >> >> > >can
>> >> >> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the
>> >> >> > >Senegalese
>> >> >> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles
>>me
>> >>is
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> > >fact that you attribute none of the violence that was
>> >>precitipated
>> >> >>by
>> >> >> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and
>>the
>> >> >> > >coupists.
>> >> >> > >I do not think Kukoi would strike you as being a responsible
>> >> >>revolutionary
>> >> >> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy.
>> >> >>Similarly
>> >> >> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but
>> >>decided
>> >> >>to
>> >> >> > >offer critical support.Since you did not elaborate on what that
>> >>means
>> >> >>,
>> >> >> > >I'd
>> >> >> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the
>>coup
>> >> >>just as
>> >> >> > >a
>> >> >> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime?
>> >> >> > > I look forward to your response
>> >> >> > >Thanks
>> >> >> > >Karamba
>> >> >> > >
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