Excellent comment Saiks,
This is how we should treat this kind of issues,very matured and nothing
personal.
Thanks for the comments.
Yeks
>From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: BILAL/Saikss]
>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 06:50:11 PDT
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>yeks drame <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>Dear Yeks,
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>Thank you for marking your point clear,speaking against Arab racism does
>not
>mean that we entatain injustice in our own country,that we have been
>speaking
>against and must continue to do so.Trying to link the two seems to be
>justifying that we need to address own own situation rather than that of
>others.
>
>Secondly I am of the opinion that poverty plays a great role in saying a
>geriot should not be married to a free born.But deep in our hearts we know
>that all these dividing lines are so false that you need to be told who is
>considered a free born and geriot,infact these are things that our
>generation
>have known to be very central in the feudal system that have(is) been
>oppressive.Some one was just remaining me that there was a time in our
>history
>being a geriot was itself a social status and when they lost their position
>as
>society develops they landed some where very unfortunate.
>
>For freedom
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>Saiks
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>Check into your points more crictically and see what you are talking about!
>We all know that there were"griots" who were not allowed to marry "nobles"
>because of our traditional meanings of our social status! What social
>chacteristics determines that? How does one become a griot, blacksmith,
>cobla etc in our society?
>
>Infact I dont really mean that, its justificable and rigth for any kind of
>a
>"class" settings in our society !
>This is what I mean! like your comment-" there are griots in the Gambia in
>the who have a better social status than you". Our attitutes towards each
>other ,thats what definds all these manings and complications in our
>society. We are all the same brother , no one is higher than the other.
>
>Freedom Saikss, for those under that social injustice and presure!
>
>Yahya (Yeks)
>
> >From: saiks samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>STJOHNS.EDU>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [Re: BILAL/yeks drame]
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:11:29 PDT
> >
> >Hi Yeks,
> >
> >The social status of people in the Gambia is not determind by their birth
> >relationship,it is their class character.Their are geriots in the Gambia
> >who
> >have a better social status than you have,so your that point does not
>hold
> >water.
> >
> >
> >For Freedom
> >saikss
> >
> >I did not mean to cause you or make you upset. I was just trying to put
>to
> >your attention that Islam is not a racist religion, and inorder to
>justify
> >that was simple reason why I gave referece to the Quran. However I had
> >noticed that you have not seen my point.
> >
> >Certainly, I am not claiming of any kind of vast knowledge of the Quran
>but
> >to my understanding it has answers to wether Islam can be
> >racist religion or not .No one has been "brainwashed", Islam is a
>reliogion
> >of equality and brothrehood ! one human race! what the arabs think of
>Bilal
> >has nothing to do with Islam ! thats their attitude towards others who
>look
> >diferent from them.
> >
> >Bilals social status ? why that question ? what of my brother in the
>Gambia
> >being a griot, cobla, blacksmith etc and did not have the same social
> >status
> >as the noble ? Tell me that they are not all of the same creed, colour,
> >country of origin, or religion !
> >
> >Islam has nothing to do with Bilal's social problem , you can even see
>the
> >same problem in our own society, so why beating the bush about Bilal?
>IS
> >THE ATTITUDEOF PEOPLE TOWARDS OTHERS!
> >
> >Yahya
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: peter sanyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>STJOHNS.EDU>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: BILAL/yeks drame
> > >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:25:11 PDT
> > >
> > >Thankz Mr. drame for ur kind offer but i don't need any Quran at this
> > >moment
> > >hence i have one of my own. Nonetheless, expressing my views critically
> > >does
> > >not in anyway or form signifies my religious standpoint. The Quran is
> >holy
> > >and i uphold that believing too but i still don't think that it
>expresses
> > >all my doubts as u happen to imply in ur response. If by chance u had a
> > >better understanding on the marital status of Bilal why don't u simply
> >tell
> > >us hence the question at hand were;
> > >1.Was Bilal ever married and if so with whom?
> > >2.Did he had any offsprings?
> > >3.Or did he died as a bachelor?
> > >
> > >I think with ur vast knowledge of the Quran u should be in a position
>to
> > >shed a better understanding on the matter. I, on the other hand, will
> >take
> > >ur advise and do some little bit more Quranic readings to help me
> > >understand/clarify my doubts since u did not provide me with any except
> > >branding me as a non-muslim in my quest of knowledge.
> > >
> > >Also, I did not make any misleading or unfound theories about Islam or
> > >anybody per se. What i tried to do was simply express my understanding
>as
> > >to
> > >Bilal's social status among those RACIST people whom I can attest have
> > >never
> > >completely accepted Bilal as an EQUAL due his SKIN COLOR!!!!!! However,
> > >since it seems that u know all the nitty gritty of Islam than i do, I
>am
> > >then hereby appealing to u to TEACH ME!!!!!
> > >
> > >kittos
> > >Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: yeks drame <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>STJOHNS.EDU>
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: BILAL
> > >>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:15:16 PDT
> > >>
> > >>Peter,
> > >>
> > >>If you are non Muslim which I guess you are, try and find out more
> >about
> > >>Islam before making such misleading and unfound theories.
> > >>
> > >>Can you please tell me which religious book in the face of the earth
> > >>except
> > >>the holly Quran that has a solution to the question you are raising?
> >read
> > >>the Quran brother and I promise, any thing that you want to know you
> >will
> > >>find the answer there!!!!! Islam is the only solution to your
>problems
> >!
> > >>Find your self a Quran, if you cant let me just have your adress I
>can
> > >>send
> > >>you one with English text, translation and comentary, Just drop a
> >message.
> > >>
> > >>However, if you still want to go on with this debate you are most
> >welcome.
> > >>
> > >>yahya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>From: peter sanyang <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>STJOHNS.EDU>
> > >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>Subject: Re: BILAL
> > >>>Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 04:01:37 PDT
> > >>>
> > >>>To my understanding, Bilal was married at a very late age due to the
> > >>>evidential degree of RACISM by his so called master (mohamed) and co.
> >The
> > >>>fellow actually has requested/expressed the desire of marriage on
> >several
> > >>>occasions only to be told to wait simply because HE WAS BLACK and the
> > >>>potential candidates were ARAB or whatever u may wish to call them.
> > >>>
> > >>>This however indicates the reluctancy or the level of segregation
>Islam
> > >>>condones towards inter-racial marriages. Bilal was an obedient and
> >loyal
> > >>>servant to his masters or should I indicate that he was literally a
> >SLAVE
> > >>>AND STILL we are constantly brainwashed that ALL MUSLIMS ARE BROTHERS
> >OR
> > >>>EQUAL, what a contradiction. Or is it that Islam then and Islam now
> >have
> > >>>different values and connotations????
> > >>>
> > >>>On a personal note, can any of our G-l prophets tell me why THERE HAS
> > >>>NEVER
> > >>>NEVER EVER BEEN AN AFRICAN PROPHET? OR WAS IT THAT WE WERE SO
>SINLESS,
> > >>>PURE,
> > >>>ORIGINAL THAT GOD DID NOT BOTHER TO SEND ONE OF THESE HOLY TEACHERS?
>As
> >i
> > >>>humbly understood from my basic quranic studies, these men (prophets)
> > >>>were
> > >>>sent to vicious and satanic communities/generations who were barbaric
> >and
> > >>>uncultured as was evident during the time of Islam's inception.
> > >>>
> > >>>Finally, i would like to state that these are just my view and is
>not
> > >>>intended to provoke anybody but would simply like to attain a better
> > >>>understanding as to why such hypocrisy existed towards Bilal.
> > >>>Islam/christianity to me was not meant for Africa hence god has never
> > >>>sent
> > >>>us any messengers since we were too good for their services. Both
>these
> > >>>ideological wagons of confusion and retardation were simply
>instruments
> > >>>which facilitate both the white man and the Arab with their trade and
> > >>>exploitations. What good did both religions had on us? If u will ask
> >me;
> > >>>i
> > >>>did say NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >>>
> > >>>Kittos
> > >>>Peter
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>From: Alieu Bah <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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> > >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>>Subject: BILAL
> > >>>>Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:30:12 PDT
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Hi folks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Could anyone tell me what was the marital status of BILAL (peace of
> > >>>>Allah
> > >>>>be
> > >>>>upon him)?Was he ever married and if so with whom?At what age?Did he
> >had
> > >>>>any
> > >>>>offsprings?Or did he died as a bachelor?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>We had a heated debate about this issue.I welcome any comments
> > >>>>especially
> > >>>>from my learned friends in the -L.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Regards,
> > >>>>Alieu
> > >>>>
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