Brother Salieu,
Thanks for your reply.I want to assure you my brother that you have not
offended me at all.You were quite right to present an alternative view to my
posting.By your posting,people are in a better position to make up their
minds whether sufism is an integral part of Islam or not.The debate on
sufism will continue till the end of time,It is only Allah Subhanahu Wa
ta'ala who knows who is right ,that is why I suggested let us respectfully
agree to disagree on this one and move on as Islam is a very broad/base
religion,different views and opinions should be accommodated as long as it
does not violate certain cardinal principles/doctrines of our beloved faith.
On second thought,I should not have asked you the loaded question,whether
you were a Salafi or Wahhabi follower.You were therefore quite right to take
the Fifth Amendment on that one! To this,I offer my profound apology for any
distress caused to your person.
I sincerely hope this experience/encounter will not put you off/or prevent
you from offering alternative view(s) in the future,for that is the way we
make progress as individuals (or Nation).
Thanks for the alternative view on sufism.
The very best of salam.
Musa amadu.


On 19/04/06, Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Musa / Ginny,
>
> I sense (I could be wrong) that I may have offended you both by the my
> postings on this issue. At the onset my intention was to present a
> diifferent view to the topic in discussion. I agree with you that this
> discussion is not the type that should degenerate to the me-against-you
> level. Penning off on this topic is in order.
>
> As for Musa's question to me *For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi
> follower*
> Then my answer to that is I kindly decline to offer an answer.
>
> Cheers
> Salieu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: musa pembo <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: A Different View Of Sufism
> >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:35:55 +0100
> >
> >Brother Salieu,
> >Thanks for your reply.I have a feeling that you only read the article by
> >Nuh
> >Ha Mim Keller without continuing with the rest,because if you had done
> that
> >you would have realised that,I quoted the very people you also quoted in
> >your reply in their own words to avoid the risk of misrepresentation.So
> ,my
> >dear brother,I would suggest that you do that.I will go along with Sister
> >Ginny's view that if sufism is not for you,you do not have to participate
> >in
> >it.Leave people who are interest in that intragal path of the faith to
> >follow their conscious and understanding,backed- up by formidable
> evidence
> >from the Faith.At this particular time in the history of Islam,what we so
> >desperately need is tolerance and understanding,which is in short supply
> in
> >the camps of salafis and wahhabis.For me,there is far greater things that
> >binds us as muslims rather than one particular brand of Islam wanting to
> >dominate the World with their own posturings.I will therefore
> respectfully
> >suggest that we agree to disagree on this one and move one.Brothers and
> >sisters now have enough materials at their disposal to make up their
> >minds.For the record,are you a salafi or Wahhabi follower?
> >The best of salam,
> >Musa
> >
> >
> >On 18/04/06, Sal Barry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Musa,
> > >
> > > Sufism has been refuted before the time of Imam Abdul Wahab by the
> likes
> > > of
> > > Imam Ahmad, Imam Shaafi'e, Ibn Taymiyah (Eventhough  Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > > states otherwise below), Ibn Jawzee, and the like. The Wahhabi
> > > Interpretation you mention below can be misleading because it
> indicates
> > > that
> > > Sufi refutaition began during the time of Imam Abdul Wahab to the
> >present.
> > > That is far from being the case. Sufi refutation began as soon as
> Sufism
> > > reared it head. The Islam practised in the Desert of Arabia 1400 years
> >did
> > > not include believing that the Quran has an outer and inner meaning.
> The
> > > lay
> > > people relegated to understanding the outer meaning and the sheikhs
> > > understanding both. This is undeniably part of the  Aqeedah of the
> >Sufis.
> > >
> > > I will state below the statements of some of the scholars regarding
> >sufism
> > > and a refutation of
> > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller's writings and statements.
> > >
> > > WHAT THE ISLAAMIC SCHOLARS HAVE SAID ABOUT SUFISM
> > >
> > > Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism:
> > > "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day,
> he
> > > does not come to Dhuhur except an idiot." [Talbees Iblees].
> > >
> > > "Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return
> >(ever)."
> > > [Talbees Iblees].
> > >
> > > Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad
> ibn
> > > Hanbaal (R) said:
> > > "Warn (people) from Al-Harith (a Sufi leader) the strongest
> warning!...
> >He
> > > is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees
> Iblis].
> > >
> > > Sheikh Al-Madkhalee says in his book * "Haqeeqatus Soofiyyah Fee
> Dau'il
> > > Kitaabi Was Sunnah", the following
> > > As for those authentic and well known books by the 'Ulemah that have
> > > refuted
> > > Sufism:
> > >
> > > 1. Al-Fataawaa - by Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah .
> > > 2. Talbess Iblis - by Ibn Al-Jawzy .
> > > 3. Tanbeebul-Ghabee ilaa Takfeer Ibn'Arabee - by Burhaanuddeen
> >Al-Baqaa'ee
> > > .
> > > 4. Tahdheerul-'Ibaad min Ahlil-'Inaad bibid'atil-Ittihaad - by
> >Al-Baqaa'ee
> > > .
> > >
> > > Sufism in the West
> > > By Hani Abid
> > > http://www.alarqam.com
> > >
> > > PART II:  Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism
> > >
> > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > > Hamza Yusuf Hanson
> > > The Sufi Tradition in Toronto
> > > Abdal-Hakim Murad
> > >
> > > PART II:  Uncovering those who accept, adopt and spread Sufism
> > >
> > > Muslims are like a single body, if a virus attacks one part of it,
> then
> > > the
> > > whole body feels it.  It is important to remove any viruses that make
> >the
> > > body ill in order for it to remain healthy and strong.  Muslims today
> >are
> > > very weak because the majority has abandoned the teachings of Quran
> and
> > > the
> > > way of the Prophet PBUH (i.e. his Sunnah).  In order to revive the
> >Islamic
> > > spirit and rejuvenate the Muslim body, Muslims have to first rid
> > > themselves
> > > of the viruses that infect their minds, and develop immunity to
> viruses
> >so
> > > as to quickly recognize them and treat them.  These viruses are the
> > > Bida'as
> > > that are widespread between Muslims, the cure to which is only through
> > > returning to the way of the Prophet PBUH and his Sunnah.  This is why
> it
> > > is
> > > a duty on every Muslim to inform his/her fellow Muslims about those
> who
> > > promote such viruses (Bida'as), to expose their false teachings, and
> to
> > > warn
> > > of the dangers that they spread.
> > > There's plenty of evidence to inform us of our duty to speak out
> against
> > > Bida'a and those who accept, adopt, and spread it.  Scholars like Ibn
> > > Taymiya, As-Shatiby, and Ibn Al-Qayyim set the example for us in their
> > > writings to follow.  Ibn Al-Jawzi wrote a wonderful book called
> "Talbees
> > > Iblis" in which he exposed many Bida'as and those who propagate them.
> >In
> > > the second chapter of "Tablees Iblis" entitled "Censure of Bida'a and
> > > People
> > > of Bida'a", Ibn Al-Jawzi quotes the following examples:
> > > •       Abdullah ibn Umar, may Allah be please with him, narrated that
> >the
> > > Prophet
> > > PBUH said "Whoever strays away from my Sunnah is not from my [Ummah]"
> > > (reported by Bukhary).
> > > •       A'isha, may Allah be please with her, narrated that the
> Prophet
> > > PBUH said
> > > "whoever respects and honours a person of Bida'a has assisted in
> > > destroying
> > > Islam".
> > > •       It was reported that our righteous predecessors were angered
> >when
> > > questioned why they talk about people of Bida'a.  One of the righteous
> > > salaf
> > > said "my speech about people of Bida'a (i.e. warning about them) is
> more
> > > beloved to me than performing extra acts worship for sixty years."
> > > •       It was also related that the righteous predecessors said
> >""whoever
> > > loves a
> > > person of Bida'a, Allah will foil his deeds and remove the light of
> >Islam
> > > from his heart".
> > > •       Another one said, "be warned of those who sit with people of
> > > Bida'a".
> > > Clearly, this evidence shows that one must expose and warn about
> Bida'a
> > > and
> > > those who spread it.  Now that we have established the validity of
> this
> > > act,
> > > we shall proceed to expose those who accept, adopt, and propagate the
> > > Bida'as of Sufism.
> > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller
> > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller, an American Sufi, became Muslim in 1977 and moved
> to
> > > Jordan where he currently resides.  Keller taught at the first Deen
> > > Intensive program in Toronto in 1997 along with Hamza Yusuf and
> others.
> > > Keller is a member of the 'Alawiya Order, one of the branches of
> >Shadhili
> > > Order.  'Alawiya Order is derived from al-'Alawi[1].  Although Keller
> > > spends
> > > most of his time in Jordan, he still maintains a number of followers
> in
> >in
> > > the West.
> > > In order to cast away any doubt about Keller's belief in the Shadhili
> > > Tariqa, let's examine Keller's own work.
> > > "Invocations of Shaadhili Order (written by Nuh Ha Mim Keller), on
> Page
> >1,
> > > Keller says:
> > > "This blessed collection contains those of the invocations and prayers
> >of
> > > the Pole and Succor my master Abul Hasan al-Shadhili".
> > > Comments: The terms "pole" and "succor".  The term Pole in Sufi
> >literature
> > > means the "perfect man" who holds Allah's attention in this world; all
> >the
> > > affairs of creation revolve around him. He takes his way in the
> >universe,
> > > both the seen and unseen parts of it, as the spirit takes its way in
> the
> > > body.  He could also be called al-Gouth (Succor, i.e. helper) because
> > > people
> > > seek his assistance in case of adversity.  Ahmad al-Tijani (the
> founder
> >of
> > > the Tijani Sufi order) said, "The reality of the Pole status is that
> he
> >is
> > > great vicegerent of Al-Haqq (i.e. Allah) in all the universe, wherever
> > > Allah
> > > is a God, the pole is his vicegerent in the sense that he (i.e. the
> >pole)
> > > carries out all the decrees that Allah might have. So, nothing will
> >reach
> > > the creation except through the pole."
> > > In Pages 102-103 Keller says:
> > > "The conduct of the disciple towards the sheikh and brethren consists
> in
> > > five things: following what the sheikh says, even if something else
> >seems
> > > better; avoiding what he forbids, even if it means one's death;
> >upholding
> > > the sheikh's honor be he absent or present, alive or dead; fulfilling
> >the
> > > sheikh's rights to the degree possible, without remissness; and
> >suspending
> > > one's intellect, knowledge, and leadership, except as the sheikh
> > > confirms."
> > > Keller on Singing and Dancing
> > > Nuh Ha Mim Keller mentions in his Tariqa Notes that sacred dance is
> one
> >of
> > > the rituals of the Shadhili order. According to him, the sacred dance
> is
> >a
> > > type of dancing performed by Sufis in unison while they make Dhikr
> > > (remembrance of Allah).  To show the permissibility of it, Keller
> argues
> > > that sacred dancing has 3 components:
> > > 1.      Dhikr
> > > 2.      The dancing itself
> > > 3.      Performing it in congregation
> > > Since each of the above components is permissible if not recommended
> in
> > > its
> > > own, therefore –Keller concludes- combining them yields a permissible
> >act
> > > of
> > > worship.
> > > Keller also promotes and teaches the same misguided Sufi concepts that
> >we
> > > revealed in Part I.  He writes in his book "A review of Tariqa Notes",
> > > page
> > > 30:
> > > "Nothing is, beside Allah and His Attributes and His actions and His
> > > rulings. This is what is meant by the Sufi term wahdat al-wujud or
> > > (oneness
> > > of being)".
> > > Keller mentions the Sufi concept of oneness of being (Wahdat
> al-wujud).
> > > This concept is explained by a Toronto Sufi group on their website
> >as[3]:
> > > Here are two commentaries from the translator (Wahid Baksh Rabbani) of
> >The
> > > Kashful Mahjub (Unveiling the veiled) by Syed Ali bin Uthman
> al-Hujweri
> > > about Wahdat al-Wujud:
> > > Page 260 ... "In a nutshell, oneness of Being (Wahdat-al-Wujud) in
> Islam
> > > means that nothing in this world can contain God, but God contains
> > > everything. Or nothing is God, but nothing is separate from God. That
> is
> > > why
> > > the concept of hulul and ittihad (incarnation) are against the tenets
> of
> > > Islam. Hulul and ittihad presuppose multiplicity of being; whereas
> Islam
> > > proclaims oneness of Being ... that is Divine Being. This concept of
> God
> > > does not violate the principles of Shari'ah in any way. What happens
> in
> > > the
> > > state of fana-fi-Allah is that man does not become God, but he is lost
> >in
> > > God's Being. Like an iceberg which when frozen, assumes a separate
> > > existence, and becomes one with the sea when it melts. Similarly, when
> >the
> > > seeker is in the state of fana, he is one with God and when in baqa,
> he
> > > assumes the shape of an iceberg, cold, hard, and limited."
> > > Page 266 ... "Again Shibli says, 'tauhid veils the Unitarian from
> seeing
> > > the
> > > beauty of His oneness.' This is because tauhid is the act of man, and
> >the
> > > act of man cannot be the means (illat) of seeing God and what cannot
> be
> > > the
> > > means of seeing God, is necessarily a veil. Man, with all his
> attributes
> > > is
> > > something other than God because if his attributes (sifat) are
> regarded
> >as
> > > Divine Attributes, then man who is the possessor of these attributes
> > > becomes
> > > Divine, and then the Unitarian (muwahhid), Unity (tauhid) and the One
> > > (wahid) become interdependent. And this is precisely the Christian
> >notion
> > > of
> > > Trinity. The attribute which veils a man from reaching tauhid
> (oneness)
> >is
> > > a
> > > veil. And one who is veiled is not a Unitarian (muwahhid), for other
> >than
> > > God in the universe is non-existent."
> > > Comments: So although the concept of Wahdat al-Wujud rejects that
> unity
> > > with
> > > God means that one becomes God (i.e. the Christian Trinity), it still
> > > affirms that man is with God physically as nothing exists except God.
> > > Keller himself confirms this belief of becoming one with God:
> > > page 35 … Keller says "…After this, a person doesn't need figurative
> > > interpretations, because the journey is no longer to Allah, but rather
> >in
> > > Allah, meaning in the knowledge of him, directly and
> >experientially.""[2]
> > > Of course this is the concept that was invented by Muhyiddin Ibn
> Arabi.
> > > Keller on Ibn Arabi:
> > > On page 42 Keller quotes Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi as saying "…a quality
> >which,
> > > as
> > > sheikh Muhyiddin (Ibn Arabi) notes…"
> > > Comments: Regardless of Ibn Arabi's statement, the simple fact is that
> > > Keller is quoting a man who was declared a kafir by countless
> > > well-reputable
> > > Muslim scholars.  Below are some such fatwas of Muslim scholars on Ibn
> > > Arabi:
> > > 1.      Al'izz Ibn Abdulsalam (d 660 H): He said about Ibn Arabi "An
> >evil
> > > liar
> > > sheikh who claims that this world is eternal (i.e. was not created by
> > > Allah)
> > > and embraces promiscuity."
> > > 2.      Ibn Taymiya (d 728 H): He extensively discussed the arguments
> of
> > > ibn
> > > Arabi and refuted them and called him a heretic.
> > > 3.      Ibn Katheer (d 774 H): Imam ibn Katheer in his book of Islamic
> > > history-
> > > Al-bidaya Wal Nihaya comments on ibn Arabi "He has a book named beads
> of
> > > wisdom in which there are many things that are apparently clear kufr."
> > > 4.      Adh-Dhahabi (d 748 H) said: "If Ibn Arabi's book (Beads of
> >wisdom)
> > > does
> > > not contain clear Kufr, then there is no Kufr in the world."
> > > 5.      'Ala' al-Di Al-Bukhari Al-Hanafi declared that: "The one who
> >does
> > > not
> > > consider Ibn Arabi a kaafir (non-Muslim), then he himself is a
> kaafir!"
> > > In fact, Keller not only quotes Ibn Arabi, but he also defends
> > > him.  Keller,
> > > in his translation of Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri's "Umdat al-salik"
> >writes:
> > > Muhyiddin ibn Arabi is Muhammad ibn 'Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Arabi, Abu
> >Bakr
> > > Muhyi al-Din al-Hatimi al-Ta'i, The Greatest Sheikh (al-Shaykh
> >al-Akbar),
> > > born in Murcia (in present-day Spain) in 560/1165. A "mujtahid" Imam
> in
> > > Sacred Law, Sufism, Qur'anic exegesis, hadith, and other Islamic
> >sciences,
> > > and widely regarded as a friend (wali) of Allah Most High, he was the
> > > foremost representative of the Sufi school of the "oneness of being"
> > > (wahdat
> > > al-wujud), as well as a Muslim of strict literal observance of the
> > > prescriptions of the Quran and sunna.
> > > Ibn Arabi's creed is very clear to those who read his works.  He
> >advocates
> > > the concept of Hulool, which is a stepping-stone to the concept of
> >Oneness
> > > of Being or "Wahdat al-Wujud".  In simple terms, Oneness of Being
> means
> > > that
> > > none exists but Allah, so everything one sees is Allah or a
> >manifestation
> > > of
> > > Allah and this is the Tawhid (oneness or unity) according to some
> >extreme
> > > Sufis.
> > > The purpose of the following examples is to show beyond the shadow of
> a
> > > doubt what the creed of Ibn Arabi is:
> > > 1.      Ibn Arabi declares the worshipers of the Golden Calf were not
> > > committing
> > > shirk. Found under section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of the Imam in the
> > > Word
> > > of Harun (Aaron)"[4]
> > > 2.      Ibn Arabi criticizes Noah as a messenger.  Found under
> section:
> > > "The Seal
> > > of the Wisdom of the Breath of Divine Inspiration in the Word of Nuh
> > > (Noah)"[5]
> > > 3.      Ibn Arabi declares the Pharaoh died a believer
> (Muslim).  Found
> > > under
> > > section: "The Seal of the Wisdom of Sublimity in the Word of Musa
> > > (Moses)"[6]
> > > Ibn Arabi also says in his book "Fusus al-Kikam"[7]:
> > > 1.      "He is the observer in the observer, and the observed in the
> > > observed.
> > > None sees Him, save Himself. None perceives Him, save Himself. By
> >Himself
> > > he
> > > sees Himself, and by Himself he knows Himself. His Veil is part of his
> > > Oneness; nothing veils other than he. . . His Prophet is he, and his
> > > sending
> > > is He, and His word is He.
> > > 2.      He who knows himself understands that his existence is not his
> >own
> > > existence, but his existence is the existence of God."
> > > Yet with all these proofs, Keller still calls Ibn Arabi "the Greatest
> > > Shaykh"!  Ibn Taymiya writes in his book al-Uboodiya about Ibn Arabi
> and
> > > those who adopt his beliefs:
> > > The most horrifying Kufr
> > > Therefore, anyone who witnesses the universal truth without the
> >religious
> > > truth will hold equal all these types of people whom Allah (SWT) has
> >made
> > > an
> > > ultimate distinction between. This reconciliation will eventually
> >conduce
> > > him to even reconcile between Allah (AWJ) and the idols, as Allah
> (SWT)
> > > said
> > > about this type of people.
> > > By Allah, we were truly in a manifest error. When we held you (false
> > > deities) as equals (in Al-'Ibaadah) with the Lord of the Worlds.
> > > [Ash-Shu'araa:97-98]
> > > They eventually reach the point where they reconcile between Allah
> (AWJ)
> > > and
> > > every existing being. And they considered all that which He (AWJ)
> >deserves
> > > of 'Ibaadah and obedience as being due to every existing created thing
> > > since
> > > they made His (AWJ) existence the same as the existence of the created
> > > things. This is of the most horrifying Kufr and atheism towards the
> Lord
> > > of
> > > all the beings. They reach by their Kufr the point where they do not
> >bear
> > > witness that they are 'Ibaad-u-Allah, neither by the meaning of the
> > > subdued
> > > ones nor by the meaning of the worshiping ones. They witness that they
> > > themselves are the Truth as has been declared by their false idols,
> e.g.
> > > Ibn
> > > Arabi who wrote "Al-Fousous," and other slandering atheists such as
> Ibn
> > > Sab'een and his like. They even witness that they are simultaneously
> the
> > > worshipers and the ones being worshiped.
> > > This, indeed, is not the witnessing of the truth, neither the
> universal
> > > one
> > > nor the religious one, but it is rather a going astray and a blindness
> > > from
> > > witnessing the universal truth, for they made the existence of the
> >Creator
> > > the same as that of the created. They made every good and bad quality
> as
> > > an
> > > attribute to both the Creator and the created, for they consider the
> > > existence of the former as being the same as the existence of the
> >latter.
> > > But the believers in Allah (SWT) and His Messengers, both commoner and
> > > elite, are the people of the Quran, as the Prophet PBUH said, "Verily,
> > > Allah
> > > has (favorite) people amongst mankind." He was asked, "Who are they? O
> > > Messenger of Allah." He replied, "The people of Al Quran, they are
> >people
> > > of
> > > Allah and His elite."
> > > The Kufr of those who believe in the incarnation
> > > These people know that Allah (SWT) is the Lord, the Owner, and the
> >Creator
> > > of everything. And that the Creator is different from the created
> being.
> > > He
> > > (SWT) is neither incarnated in the being nor combined with him, nor is
> >His
> > > (SWT) existence the same as the being's existence. Indeed, the
> >Christians
> > > were not declared by Allah (SWT) as Kuffar (unbelievers) except for
> that
> > > they believed in the incarnation and combination of Allah (SWT) with
> > > Al-Maseeh (Jesus). So how about those who made this true about every
> > > creature? Yet, they know fully well that Allah (SWT) ordered obedience
> >to
> > > Him (AWJ) and obedience to His Messengers, and that Allah (SWT) does
> not
> > > like corruption nor approves Al-Kufr for His 'Ibaad. And all the
> >creation
> > > ought to worship Him (SWT) so that they obey His commands, and ask for
> >His
> > > aid to fulfill that; as He (AWJ) said in the Opening of the Scripture:
> >It
> > > is
> > > You we worship and it is You we ask for help. [Al-Faatihah:5]
> > > The above examples are just a brief illustration of the misguidance of
> >Nuh
> > > Ha Mim Keller.  Muslims, especially young ones, have to know the truth
> > > about
> > > such people so they're not deceived by their appearances or
> words.  Even
> > > the
> > > name that Keller adopted (Ha Mim) shows his commitment to bida'a.
> >Keller
> > > explains Ha Mim as: "Ha Mim Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim, Ha Mim. The matter
> >be
> > > done, the victory come, against us they shall not be helped".
> > >
> > > INVOCATIONS OF SHAADHILI ORDER BY NUH HA MIM KELLER
> > >
> > >
> >
> HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/INVOCATIONS_OF_SHAADHILI_ORDER.HTM
> > >
> > > A REVIEW OF 'TAREEQA NOTES'  A BOOK BY NUH HA MIM KELLER
> > >
> > >
> >
> HTTP://WWW.ALLAAHUAKBAR.NET/INDIVIDUAL_CALLERS/NUH_HA_MIM/A_REVIEW_OF_TAREEQA_NOTES_OF_NUH_HA_MIM.HTM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Dear Ginny et all,
> > > >Ginny Thanks for your contribution on the subject.I have been away
> from
> > > my
> > > >computer since last Thursday.I just saw the posting forwarded by
> >Brother
> > > >Salieu offering a different view on sufism,Which is most
> welcome.Which
> >I
> > > >may
> > > >say is the  Wahhabi interpretation or attitude towards
> >Tasawwuf(sufism).I
> > > >am
> > > >not at all surprised.Wahhabis are diametrically opposed to the
> practice
> > > and
> > > >will go to any length to rubbish the writings of sufi writers and
> > > >practitioners.However,I will now present the views of Scholars so
> that
> > > >people can judge for themselves.At this point,I must declare an
> > > >interest.Iam a sunni muslim and a sufi practitioner.
> > > >   *How would you respond to the Claim that Sufism is bid'a?*
> > > >*(c)Nuh Ha Mim Keller 1995*
> > > >
> > >
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