Very well said Joe. Congrats to the new addition to your family and extend
my love to that niece of mine Granny.
Thanks
Daddy Sang
> [Original Message]
> From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 1/11/2002 7:42:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Celebrating Holidays of the Disbelievers/Ginny
>
> Greetings all, I wanted to abstain from contributing due to reasons I
> explained earlier, however, I cannot resist the urge to jump in this
debate
> that I think serves to rip the fabric that bound us as Africans in general
> and Gambians in particular. What happens to our extended family system?
> Who among us has relatives/friends that are just Muslims? How many people
> among us were raised by relatives that do not share the same religion with
> us? This is what we know as Africans. Since when do we see each other as
> believers or non-believers? That I am a non-believer in someone's eyes,
so
> what? That all non-believers will go to hell in someone's eyes, I say, so
> what? Who amongst us has gone anywhere to know what's on the other side,
> if there is even another side? Remember others can bring their books and
> preach infinitum just like its going on now with some of us. When that
> happens, we gain nothing but extenuate the superficial divisions we create
> in our minds. When it comes to matters of religion, folks should take
care
> of their's and let others do the same, thus the separation between
> Church/Mosque and State, because of the Holier Than Thou Syndrome that can
> poison our minds. A lot of what's talked about here has to deal with
> other's cultural values. I will be damned if I shall adopt someone else's
> cultural values over mine, especially when it can separate brothers or
> sisters apart. The same right you have to prop your belief system as
numero
> uno, rests with myself and others too. To those who believe that all
> non-believers will sizzle many fold, I say to you, pray for your
ancestors,
> for they were mainly "Tchedors". That is the beauty of The Gambia - the
> cross cultural and religious exchanges, Nanmburu, Yapi Haar, Watch Night,
> Gaamo, Talabone, Kitim, etc. Also, the reason why we have the "Kaal
System"
> - to diffuse the tension and extenuate the positive among our diverse
> peoples. Be an extremist (whatever that means), but what we have going
for
> us none can dismantle. Some of you sound as if the rest of humanity is
> begging to eat, befriend, or relate to you. Don't eat my food, visit me,
> speak to me, or what have you, because I am a non-believer, and see if I
> will loose sleep over that. To me your move will translate as less
headache
> for me and more time to spend with the moderate and tolerant many. Thank
> God the rest of humaninity is moving on. What religion will look donw on
a
> people that are among the most peace loving on this earth. Your views
about
> coexistance will have an audience in the Middle East, but not in
Sub-Sahara
> Africa. If Islam stands for tolerance, who are you to highlight
otherwise?
>
> With all the problems our nation is enduring, why on earth would some of
us
> come here to bombard us with unnecessary talk about believers and
> non-believers. While we sit here and sow the seed of discord, some of
your
> friends and relatives are being fed, housed, and have life long
friendships
> with those you term as believers and non-believers alike. So, go on with
> the preaching and see if the overwhelming majority of our peoples give a
> hoot how you view them. This is rediculous.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
> >From: koto Faal <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Celebrating Holidays of the Disbelievers/Ginny
> >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:45:13 +0000
> >
> >To all interested subscribers in this ongoing debate about
> >disbelievers,people of the book, and the polytheist in the Sura Al
bayinatu
> >where references are made concerning the above mentioned groups, the
Quran
> >as we know it needs a very careful translation of both the text and
> >commentaries, both can be misleading depending on the Individual
> >researching
> >and the source of the text.These groups in question has been talk about
> >several times in different chapters in the Holy Quran but at all times
for
> >different reason.In this particular instances this sura was serve as an
> >ultimatum to all non muslims and warning to them of the consequencies
they
> >faced in the hereafter but this doesn't go to the extend of attacking
their
> >moral behavior in society cause their are good people among them, they do
> >good things for society but that is not what ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY wants
from
> >them,THE AHSHADA IS THE MAIN PROBLEM.One should really try and return to
> >the
> >beginning of all things (THE SOURCE) to really understand the problems of
> >RELIGIOUS FAITHS. We have learned in the Hadith,THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD
> >(Pbuh) saying to his followers that I am going to send you to
ABBYSINNIA,
> >present day Ethopia to a Christian King to apply for Assylum,He is a king
> >that do no wrong to his people, he is a man of great justice, HE knew
then
> >morality was not an issue but Submission to ALLAH'S WILL,will always be
the
> >biggest pitfall along the way back to ALLAh's Eternal Bliss.The text of
the
> >above sura is not my word nor the word of any human being, our duty is to
> >try and recites it or translate it atleast near it is written, this
> >particular verse says "Inna lasinna kafaru min akhlil kitabi wal
> >moushrikinna fe narre jahanam hali deena fe ha awla eka hum sharul
> >bariyati"
> >(meaning to you the disbelievers and the people WE gave books ie
christians
> >and jews and the polytheist are all going jahanam,which is the literal
> >meaning but it goes beyond this,why several reason but the principal one
is
> >the AHSHADA,where you submit to ALLAH'S Will and Proclaim and comfirm
that
> >Muhammad is a Prophet and Messenger of ALLAH(SWT),they refute that which
> >brought us to the precedent shaitan set long ago when he was asked to
> >prostrate for Adam, If we know why he was detrone then we will not be
> >having
> >this conversation on line, but it is the same principles or Judgement
that
> >will be befall anyone who has the remoteness of chances without not
taking
> >this Oath, even the law of this earth ask for Oath e.g President of the
> >United States, if you are not sworn in , you won't take Office and you
> >think
> >if you don't take with ALLAH (swt) you will take Office, everything you
see
> >here is a manifestation of ALLAH'S Kingdom.This subscribtion is in
> >response
> >to all those people whom needed clarification whether the people of the
> >book
> >are referred to in this particular sura especially modou camara whose
> >response to sister jabo contribution. These people choosed not to believe
> >the Prophet (Pbuh)and thus condemned themselves to Jahanam. I am very
sorry
> >if this offended anyone I am just trying to help with the text of the
Holy
> >Quran, I hope this contribution will help a long way to our enlightenment
> >of
> >the Quran and its commentaries. May ALLAH forgive me for any misleadings
> >this contribution may cause.I am praying to ALLAH the ALMIGHTY to
bestowed
> >upon us all Wisdom and Guidance. Rabbana atayna fe dunya hasanatan wa fil
> >ahkira hasanatan wakhina hasabana, subhana rabihesati amayasifun wa
salamu
> >alal murrsalin walhamdu lila AMEN.
> >>From: Momodou Camara <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: Celebrating Holidays of the Disbelievers/Ginny
> >>Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:38:25 +0100
> >>
> >>On 7 Jan 2002, at 23:42, Jabou Joh wrote:
> >>
> >> > When people have forwarded anything that says non-muslims are non
> >>believers, it
> >> > is not something that was coined deliberately to make anyone feel
bad.
> >>It is the
> >> > exact words that the Qur'an uses.
> >>
> >>Sister Jabou,
> >>The Quran is referring to some people as "The people of the book" (Jews)
> >>and
> >>"The Christians". Are these people also in the above category?
> >>
> >>I think the quran differentiates "Kafirun" from The People of the book
and
> >>the
> >>Christians. The God that Muslims believe is the same God that the Jews
and
> >>christians believe in.
> >>
> >>
> >>regards,
> >>Momodou Camara
> >>
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