Firstly, I've not read the documents, so I suppose if I speak out of
turn, any criticism would be justly deserved but...  Even if you want
to technically say that the term limit didn't apply to Wade, because
it came into force *after* he was elected President, wasn't the whole
point of the term llimit being passed to keep Presidents, even those
elected *before* the law was passed, from prepetuating themselves in
power?  Or at least if not trying to keep themselves in power but to
not be able to keep the seat warm as it were until they can install
their son into the same office?

I mean, even if the law isn't retroactive, it would seem to me that
Wade should at least abide by the spirit of the law and get outta the
way and let someone else have a turn.  And please tell me that if I'm
85 I'm not going to want power for its own sake that that I'd be
content to live out the rest of my days with a decent
pension/retirement in some seaside villa somewhere.  Because for the
life of me I can't understand why an 85 year old would still want to
be President.  But then again, I'm not power hungry either.

As far as Darboe goes, to me running for President isn't the same as
being President.  And it seems that if the results of the recent
Presidential elections in The Gambia are to be believed, the paople en
masse didn't vote for Darboe anyway, so what's the point of bringing
him into this discussion?  Perhaps if Darboe were an octogenarian
trying to hold onto power by making use of a Constitutional loophole
then perhaps we'd have something to talk about regarding him, but as
it were, he's not President of The Gambia yet.

And another thing I wanna know is why was Youssou Ndour disqualified
from running in the upcoming Senegalese elections?  I never really
heard quite why, something about the filing being incomplete or
something, however, all of this together just smacks of the
Wade-friendly court trying to get rid of any serious challengers, or
perceived challengers, as it seems not everyone in Senegal is all
gung-ho for a future Ndour Presidency.

Ginny



On 2/2/12, Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kejau,
>
> I am at pains here, really...  but you are not making any sense to me.
> Granted I am a bit slow, but come on now. I am talking about Senegal and the
> incumbents stubborn clinging to power and there you go with Darbo. The last
> time I checked, Darbo is not the president of any country. And yes I am a
> great advocate for term limits, be it Wade, Darbo or Jammeh.
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]; Gambia L <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 12:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify
> his 3rd term
>
>
>
> Now about Darboe, viz a viz the time limit, it seems there is no mention of
> any term limit and if there is, I am sure you will have no qualm with that.
>
> My point was, Wade did not have to limit the term, just like Daboe and since
> he has, we should give him the benefit of doubt.
>
> Ta.
>
>
> Ousman,
>
> OK, it was just a question and you have not given the reason you do not want
> Wade to seek another term even though he was the architect, there is a
> precedent set in Ghana where Rawlins literally did the same or even more
> terms before bringing the term limit in place. Otherwise folks like Darboe
> may not want a term limit in case they are bullied out before planned.
> Apologies for not reading the 'PDF' and I appreciate the unsolicited
> advice. Give the old man another chance to ask the Senegalese for their
> votes, however!
>
> Rest my case
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 10:47:38 -0800
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify
> his 3rd term
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Kejau,
>
> You're welcome. You call it unsolicited advice, I call it word to the wise.
> Regarding my reasoning for not wanting Wade to run for a third term, well it
> is simple. I am averse to perpetual rule. He has been there for twelve
> years. Its time to move on. Let other capable citizens try their hands at
> this governing thingy. He is got at least two of his ex prime ministers
> vying for office. If they are good enough for that job, I don't see why they
> can't run the ship of state.
>
> With regards to your other supposition relating to Rawlings in Ghana and
> your mumblings about Darboe, I don't see how that is germane to
> the Senegalese crisis. What is good for Ghanaians may not be palatable to
> our cousins across the border, political precedents notwithstanding.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify
> his 3rd term
>
>
>
> Ousman,
>
> OK, it was just a question and you have not given the reason you do not want
> Wade to seek another term even though he was the architect, there is a
> precedent set in Ghana where Rawlins literally did the same or even more
> terms before bringing the term limit in place. Otherwise folks like Darboe
> may not want a term limit in case they are bullied out before planned.
> Apologies for not reading the 'PDF' and I appreciate the unsolicited
> advice. Give the old man another chance to ask the Senegalese for their
> votes, however!
>
> Rest my case
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:48:06 -0800
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify
> his 3rd term
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Kejau,
>
> Did you even read the document before you play lawyer. If you did your due
> diligence, you would have realized:
>
> 1. that the republic of Senegal is the foreign principal here. So it is safe
> to say the Senegalese tax payers are footing the bill. See that wasn't hard
> to figure out.
>
> 2. That the law firm in Georgia has to register with the department of
> justice as agents of a foreign government; thereby placing this document in
> the public domain. No vilification here. And word to the wise, stop casting
> the first stone.
>
> 3. Big law firms do lobbying work for their clients. They lobby US officials
> to look favorably on issues important to their clients. That's where the
> publication and dissemination of the white paper comes in. Again I doubt you
> read PDF before you replied.
>
> Next time you feel like jumping on an issue, do some due diligence. Research
> the topic. In this case five minutes of browsing would have save you some
> anxiety. The republic of Senegal through the office of the president is the
> client here. How is it a privilege legal correspondence when the firm has to
> register their dealings with the DOJ, which is obligated by law to publish
> these sort of filings in the public domain? To say that I am disappointed in
> your un-informed reaction is an understatement.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Ousman,
>>
>>
>>Thanks for the reply. But why do you not agree with his desire to run for
>> another term? Also what makes you think it is the Senegalese tax payer
>> footing the bill? It is reasonable for Wade to seek legal representation
>> from any firm in the world, especially faced with such unreasonable
>> animosity in his country. Lobbying who, the legal firm? are you for real?
>> Vilification includes flaunting someone's privilege legal correspondents
>> in a public domain!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:31:14 +0000
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify
>> his 3rd term
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>Thanks for sharing, Ous.  Wade has all right to seek representation and I
>> think he can seek a third term as  laws are not generally retrospective
>> and Wade's government brought the disputed albeit laudable term limit into
>> being. Hence deserve our gratitude instead of vilification. Allez Maitre
>> Wade!
>>
>>
>>Sent from Kejau's iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:34:36 -0800
>>From: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: [G_L] Wade use US law firm to provide legal support to justify his
>> 3rd term
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>>Read the whole thing at this link:
>>http://www.fara.gov/docs/5772-Exhibit-AB-20111122-8.pdf
>>
>>Dear PresidentWade:
>>
>>It is indeed an honor to consult with you and to provide representation for
>> The Office
>>ofthe President with respect to your efforts to seek a third tenia as
>> President of The Republic of
>>Senegal. 1 will lead a team of lawyers and professionals at McKenna Long &
>> Aldridge
>>(hereinafter "MLA") who have been assembled lo research and analyze your
>> authority to seek a
>>third term under the Senegalese Constitution and other relevant laws,
>> create a white paper that
>>discusses our conclusions, and develop and implement an agreed upon
>> protocol for sharing these
>>findings with appropriate officials and interested parties in the United
>> States and in The Republic
>>of Senegal. We would like to present our white paper findings to
>  you in Senegal in early
>>November and in accordance with your schedule.
>>We can perforin this work under the following terms:
>>(T); A retainer in the Amount of $100,000 to be paid upon, execution of
>> this
>>engagement letter;
>>(2): A JSOJOOO tee for researching and draftingthe white paper; and
>>(3): A $50,0(|0: per month flat fee for developing and implementing an
>> agreed upon
>>protocol whereby IVltA will share the results of our findings with
>> appropriate officials and
>>interested parties in the United States and Senegal.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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