My good sister,
I havn't said any where in my piece, that Katim's posting was insulting. I
even submited to his wonderful efforts and patient on this problem. So,I
dont just get it! what are talking about?
Certainly, I whould like to say that,there has never been any physical
proximity between me and Mattar. I have never meet him in life! There is
nothing personal on my side on this debate! So, in essence, I want to tell
you that Mattar is not my friend! He is a Gambian brother, and that is where
my stance is.
This problem, could even be more than the issue ilustrated here. In a
general discussion like this, theoritical matters, as it implies here are
dugging up, and ofcource it is not interesting at all to read such postings
that where sent on personal grounds to the list.The purposs of these abusive
postings where to satisfy a need. What ever need it was, its best known by
the individuals involved.The question is, does it worth it? where does it
take them? can that solve the problems? No!
it cannot! so what is the solution to the problem?
To bring order out of potential chaos, I thought it was logic to erradicate
the source of the problem, and that is the differences! What is material is,
to discuss ideas instead of "events".I must explicitly mention that I am
against the triggering of the problems among us! Come out with constructive
solutions to solve this problem.
I think with our moral obligations, we should all see that peace and harmony
prevails among us so that there shall be nothing like this problem again.
Anyway, sister Jabou I share your concern and understand where things went
wrong, but how do we rectify that situation if we are really in for peace
and brotherly/sisterlyhood?
Peace
Yahya
>From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Jabou
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:36:06 GMT
>
>Jabou,
>
>Thanks for your effort, but you don't need to fwd anything from Matarr. It
>doesn't take any imagination to know what will be in the mail. Instead of
>people excusing matarr's behavior, we should all be trying to find ways of
>helping the guy. This is more than an "anger control problem." My offer
>stands.
>
>Saul.
>
>Ps.
>I don't feel offended by Matarr's insults. He can't help it, so why bother?
>
>Saul.
>
>
>>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Saul
>>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:09:00 EST
>>
>>G-L,
>>l am going to apologise and ask your forgiveness and especially that of
>>Katim Touray since he is subject to the same filth that Matarr has
>>continually copied or directed to a lot of us in this posting. It is not
>>my
>>nature to forward such filth to the list, but in view of all this unending
>>nonse regarding the re-instatement of matarr, despite Katim's very
>>thorough
>>posting last night, l am doing this to show people what a lot of us have
>>been subject to, and what they are defending.Therefore, l am taking the
>>responsibility of forwarding an email to the list that Matarr wrote to
>>Saul
>>Khan and copied to me TODAY. Yahya, here is a piece of the reasonableness
>>and human nature you speak of from your friend Matarr Njie.Please tell me
>>what was insulting about Katim's posting. Here goes:
>>
>>Saul Khan:
>>
>>Well, what do you and Katim Touray expect me to do given that you are
>>labelling me as a psycho, except to FUCK your filthy mother's vagina.
>>Please
>>do not cry foul, because you initiated the whole game. Katim should
>>definitely know by now that I do NOT take insults lightly. I hit back and
>>please do not complain about my choice of words either. Insults are
>>insults!
>>
>>I find Katim's latest ultimatum a silly and a cheap threat. Hypocritical?
>>Most certainly.
>>How does a son of a prostitute like Katim Touray expect reconcilliation
>>and
>>forgiveness when he continually sees other parties hit below the belt
>>without intervening? Well, reconcilliation is a two-way street and both
>>parties to the conflict have to agree to desist from a restarting the
>>vicious circle. What we have on Gambia-L under the self-appointed
>>managers,
>>is to tie the hands of one party to the conflict while calling for peace
>>and
>>reconcilliation. No wonder, the circus is never ending.
>>
>>You have a nice week ahead.
>>
>>Matarr.
>>
>>[log in to unmask] (yeks drame) wrote:
>>Katim,
>>
>> I think you did a good job, and whats more even, is the level of
>> understanding, patient an diplomacy you had demonstrated in this Mattar
>> issue. I further credit you for the well documented and material
>>evidence
>> you have revealed to us about the activities of Mattar and his (then)
>>opinon
>> of the GL.
>>
>> However, I also find find it strange for you asking me to apologise to
>>the
>> people. For what? What was wrong with trying to hamonise peace within
>>the
>> people! I dont think thats offensive, just saying that Mattar needs us
>>as
>>we
>> needs him ? thats authentic Katim! its a fact, no man is an island! I
>> apologise then if that is the order of the day here! I did not know that
>>its
>> offensive to speak your mind here. I know you are embarked on a though
>>job,
>> managing a forum like this could be stressing and sometimes irritating,
>>but
>> please do read all the postings that were sent in concerning this
>>debate.
>>I
>> promise you that, I had all the time extempt myself from any form of
>>emotion
>> or offensive play. I have been very nutral on this topic! So, am
>>suprised
>> and dissapointed that you are asking me to apologise to the people.
>>Possibly
>> I dont get the point right on this list, what is the line for foul play
>> here?
>>
>> Notably, the issue is to reconcile, which if it is material shall only
>> promote awareness and peace in our society, that is what is my stance,
>>sir!
>> am not trying to disintergrate people instead I want to increase the
>>level
>> of understanding and tolarance among our people, what is offensive about
>> that?
>>
>> On this list we are continiousely reminded of the of backwardness of our
>> beloved land, Gambia-one of the most degraded, humiliated and rubbed
>> societies of the world for quite a long time. Your open letter to the
>> president is part of the most humble solutions for the mass
>>participation
>>of
>> the people in the development of the Gambia, like wise, the Robinson,
>>and
>> Dr. Janneh proposals. All these ideas have only been calling for
>> togetherness and nothing otherwise. Well, in other to achieve that goal
>>we
>> must differ in ideas and that is one of the ample reason why I appealed
>>for
>> re suscription of Mattar.
>>
>> After all said, it is important to realise that, the contribution of the
>> individual is what complys to collectivism and that is what makes great
>> ideas. We must always remember that "many hands make light work".
>>Therefore,
>> collectivism will be minimal if we try to block others because of
>>reasons
>> that are very human.We must increase our efforts significantly to
>>understand
>> the nature of certain individuals at certain intervals that makes them
>> paranoid and act very irresponsible. This rerconciliation process should
>>be
>> seen as a prequisite to development. It is only when we are organised
>>among
>> ourselves and make formidable force that we can be able to discuss ideas
>>and
>> come to solutions.
>>
>> I hope the list managers would follow this debate attentively and see
>>what
>> is authentic. I mean., you should read the other postings, and fairly
>>judge
>> which ones are offensive, in langauage wise and formular! with this
>>regard ,
>> I strongly condemn the idea that I should apologise to the people. I
>>should
>> as well add that, I like wise condemn the structural adjustment policies
>> suggested by some list members as a way of reconciliation, because the
>>place
>> the haviest burden on the process of reconciliation and instead
>>triggered
>> anger and reluctancy to submission. I think we should ask those people
>>to
>> apologise instead!
>>
>> It would be impossible to achieve reconciliation without subscribing to
>>the
>> reconcialiatory song of forgiveness. We must remember that liberation is
>>not
>> begged for but struggled for! and this must include both parties to
>> liberated.
>>
>> To this endavour, the managers of the list should listen to this call
>>with
>> open mind and see the essence of unity. I am sure Mattar and all the
>>others
>> who were engaged on such foul play will surely understand that we are
>>all
>> "Pist Off" of this unfortunate situation.
>>
>> With this regard, list managers, I hope we can closs this chapter in the
>> name of reconciliation and brotherlyhood and turn to a new one.
>>Sometimes
>> one can be force to take dicisions unplesant on their side, but in
>>principle
>> that is most fundamental. This dicision you are about to take is a
>>challenge
>> to be considerate.
>>
>> Peace.
>> Yahya
>> >>
>>
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