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Alfa Jarju <[log in to unmask]>
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I disagree with U.  I would be very grateful if you could furnism me with
the chapter and the Surah.

The love is already there.  We are talking about the degree of love.
Ofcourse, it is the duty of the husband to treat all his wives equally BUT
to love them equally will not be an easy task. Pls read the entire story.

Quoting Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]>:

>
> If you can not love and treat the two women equally then you should not
> marry another wife . Sahih Buhari and many other verses in the holy Quran
> clearly state this
> end of case
>
>
>
> >From: baboucarr Sey
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Polygammy is the BEST
> >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 05:52:07 -0800
> >
> >No no mr. Jarju I completely disagree with on this point.
> >Cheers
> >Mbye Sey
> >
> >Alfa Jarju wrote:
> >What majority of Muslims fail to understand concerning the issue of
> >Polygamy is the definition of EQUALITY IN LOVE. There is no where in
> the
> >Quran or Hadith which stated that those who are practicing should love
> the
> >said wives equally. It will be excellent if one can do that. The Love
> >comes from Allah and it is some thing natural. What is important here
> is
> >the distribution of wealth and application of fairness or justice among
> the
> >wives. One may argues that if you love wife A, there is likely that you
> >would give her preferential treatment. This is not the case, the
> element
> >of that portion is what Allah has given you as a trial. As a Muslim,
> your
> >number one duty is not no be carried away by once desire.
> >
> >If you look at the verse stating about marring, one may tend to believe
> >that God is asking us to marry more than one wife. For example, the
> actual
> >counting in the Quran starts not in one BUT two “ Marry two, or three,
> or
> >four” But if you think you would find it difficult to practice
> fairness,
> >marry just one. I know Baba Galleh Jallow would laugh at this statement
> >but it is fact.
> >
> >By looking at the above statement, one may tend to believe that Allah
> wants
> >us to marry more than one wife. Why? Because God is asking us if we
> cannot
> >practice fairness and one of the fundamental principles of Islam is
> >fairness. If God tells you, ok since you cannot practice fairness just
> >stop at one means if you cannot be a good Muslim, try and marry only
> one
> >because you cannot control your desire.
> >
> >The beauty of this verse is that, Allah knows that there would be a
> time
> >when the ratio of women would really out number men on this planet.
> >
> >Ndeye, if you see any nice lady in Ghana, pls call my attention. I want
> to
> >marry second wife. It is intersting to notice that "Alieus" are very
> much
> >concernd about this topic (laugh).
> >
> >Alh. Alieu.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting "Alieu S.K Cham" :
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks to all of you for your interesting contributions on this very
> > > important issue. I'm Alieu Cham, a Gambian national living in Oslo.
> I
> > > agree with Alieu Jawara that polygamy is not synonymous with sexual
> > > infidelity. I wander who made this analogy between the two. It sounds
> to
> > > me like a Westerner assessing the norms, believes and practices of
> > > non-Western societies. The act of Marrying may be universal but the
> > > institution of marriage is contextual, or situated if you like. In
> other
> > > words, marriage has to be understood within the context in which it
> is
> > > contracted between two people. What it means being someones
> wife/husband
> > > is defined by the society in which the marriage takes place. My point
> is
> > > that anybody saying that polygamy is equal to sexual infidelity, in
> my
> > > view, lacks the basic understanding that the very notion of
> infidelity
> > > is problematic. This is so because fidelity/infidelity has to do
> with
> > > moral and, what constitutes good/bad moral is directly linked to
> > > society/community or religion. So I think this analogy is overly
> > > simplistic.
> > > Now to the issue at hand. I think Alieu Jawara supports polygamy
> > > primarily because it is " allowed by the holy Qur'an, the primary
> source
> > > of muslim belief". I have to say here that i am myself a believer in
> the
> > > Muslim faith. However i oppose polygamy as it is ACTUALLY being
> > > practised. Jawara argued that several of Allah's prophets "who are
> > > absolutely perfect creatures" have lived polygamous lives. This
> brings me
> > > to the core of my objection to polygamy as it is being practised. It
> > > might have been easy for those "absolutely perfect" men of God to
> live
> > > polygamous lives. However it doesn't follow from this that it should
> be
> > > easy for OSS, the ordinary and imperfect people. It is the case that
> to
> > > marry more than one wife, one has to be PERFECTLY fair, in the
> broadest
> > > term, between the wives. This is certainly not any challenge for an
> > > absolutely perfect person but what about the millions of people
> around
> > > the world who are practising polygamy - can they treat their wives
> > > equally, love them equally, care for them equally, listen to them
> > > equally......etc. I don't think so! I really don't think so! It
> cannot be
> > > helpful for any woman to be married to a man who brings her home only
> to
> > > make her secondary to the other wife(ves). I just want to give women
> the
> > > benefit of the doubt! I am anti-polygamy, if i may put it that way,
> > > simply because i cannot divide my love into several parts, let alone
> > > several EQUAL parts. My opinion on whether polygamy should be made
> > > unlawful or not is that it should not. That may not be necessary.
> Society
> > > has more urgent matters to attend to. My hope is that more and more
> women
> > > will become aware of the fact that they can say no to a man who is
> > > already married. Just as men do not have to marry more than one
> wife,
> > > women do NOT have to marry to anyone who is already married.
> > > With an increased awareness, i think polygamy with disappear without
> any
> > > intervention by law makers. For all of you out there who favour a ban
> (by
> > > law) on polygamy, i just want to say that the best way out for deep
> > > rooted practices such as polygamy, female circumcision etc is for
> the
> > > people themselves to be convinced that the practice may infact be
> > > problematic. This conviction will provoke a reflection on the matter
> -
> > > and i believe that a reflection on polygamy will show that it can,
> and
> > > infact, should be abandoned (not banned by law). The practice of
> polygamy
> > > can conveniently be abandoned. This won't necessary conflict with
> the
> > > qur'an.
> > > On the issue of prenuptial agreements, i hold the view that that is
> > > utterly ridiculous. If my lady has to have my signature on paper, get
> it
> > > verified by a lawyer, approved by the court etc to believe my words,
> then
> > > i wander where we get with the relationship. Certain things has to
> > > be agreed upon by matured people based solely on trust. This is
> > > particularly true when we talk about a couple just about to marry.
> The
> > > very concept of marriage rests firmly on mutual trust between the
> > > parties. Afterall what good can come out of a prenuptial agreement?
> What
> > > do you do in the case of a breach of contract? You divorce the
> person? -
> > > well it may be wiser to not marry that person in the first place.
> > > Alieu S.K Cham, Oslo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On the door of a Moscow hotel room, it says;
> > >
> > > If this is your first time to Moscow, welcome to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Alieu Jawara
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Polygammy...
> > > >Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 00:40:43 -0700
> > > >
> > > >May I throw my two cents to this very exiting topic. Some of you
> say
> > > women should start a movement to stop men taking advantage of them.
> This
> > > is a great idea but perhaps men can help even better. Without the
> > > involvement of educated and "powerful" men the progress will be
> quite
> > > slow indeed. God knows there are a lot of women suffering in
> silence.
> > > Can't leave x years of marriage because they have nothing to fall
> back on
> > > due to poverty. Who knows maybe this forum can even begin to set up
> > > something just for the sake of Allah. Women could be educated
> publicly
> > > and the same time warning men of their actions. Financially we could
> help
> > > by taking their case up to justice.
> > > >
> > > >One thing I don't agree with the forum with is the issue of
> prenuptial
> > > agreements, to sign that the marriage will forever be monogamous.
> Someone
> > > also said polygamy is synonymous with sexual infidelity (stand
> corrected
> > > incase of any misquotations). First, Islam gives a lot of power to
> women
> > > as the lady that traditionally brings up the future heads of society.
> She
> > > must always be treated kindly and respectfully. The wife batters
> wont
> > > find their actions supported by any parts of the Qur'an or sunnah.
> > > However, polygamy is the allowed by the Qur'an, the primary source
> of
> > > muslim belief. Allah's wisdom is much greater than ours and he knows
> why
> > > he made his law to be so. By making it haram (unlawful) onto yourself
> is
> > > taking Allah's merciful law into your own hands. Several of Allah's
> > > prophets (who are absolutely perfect creatures) have lived
> polygamous
> > > lives, including the final one Nabiy Mustapha Alaihi salaam. His
> > > companions, whom we should take as our role models, also did the
> same.
> > > Just to remind you briefly that our noble prophet (may on him be
> peace)
> > > lived his first 25 years as a chaste bachelor and the next 25 years
> in a
> > > monogamous marriage with a wife (widowed) 15 years his seniour.
> Apart
> > > from Aisha (daughter of his closest companion), the remainder of his
> > > marriages were to divorcées or widows. His marriages are vlearly out
> of
> > > compassion and not of passion. There are several reasons (which I
> wont
> > > talk about here) where it might be necessary to marry a second, third
> or
> > > fourth wife). I think it's quite wrong to deny yourself of halaal
> just
> > > because the love at the time of marriage is so high. The love for
> Allah
> > > and his laws should be much greater. Polygamy is definitely not
> > > synonymous to sexual infidelity where a husband sneaks out on a
> family
> > > that he should love and care for just to come back with bag of lies!
> > > Several verses come to mind but how about this one in conclusion:
> > > >
> > > >16:116 "And, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie,
> > > (saying) This is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a
> lie
> > > against Allah; surely those who forge the lie against Allah shall
> not
> > > prosper"
> > > >
> > > >66:01 "O Prophet! why do you forbid (yourself) that which Allah has
> made
> > > lawful for you; you seek to please your wives; and Allah is
> Forgiving,
> > > Merciful"
> > > >
> > > >I advise you read the commentary of the above and read up on the
> sunnah
> > > regarding polygamy.
> > > >
> > > >Salaam,
> > > >
> > > >Alieu Jawara
> > > >
> > > >P.S. Can I ask the directors to change my email address to
> > > [log in to unmask] These very exciting articles having interrupting
> my
> > > work. I can't help reading them when they pop up on the screen. By
> moving
> > > it to my free mail, I can choose to read them at lunch or at the end
> of
> > > the day. Thanks all.
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