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Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]>
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If it’s Ok with you, I intend to answer all the questions, but would like to start with question 12,  because I’ve got the answer to the first part of that question based on a lecture that I attended on 30th October 2005,  by Professor Mark Cohen ( Princeton) who is an authority on  that question. I chatted with him after the lecture. He is/ was much more positive and optimistic of a brighter future to Jewish-Muslim relations than I am.

(The first thing I told Rabbi Cohen, which I threw into the teeth of his optimism was,
 ” Nowadays there is a sixth pillar of Islam, namely hate thy neighbour, the Jew.” We chatted a little more, suddenly he asked me ” Do I know you?” Which I took to mean, and you are Professer WHO, being so contrary.  And you know, I am no Prince Hassan of Jordan either.

  (I remember that day so well, when I got home, just outside the door, the phone was ringing in the hall and Dayan Ha Emet; it was my wife calling from Tenerife, to say that her sister, my dear sister- in-law, had just passed away)

Professor Cohen’s  hope and optimism is what we need  to get out of the rut that your each and every question implies we are doomed to be forever mired in – or at least until the Messiah comes.....

Somewhere in my answer to these questions, I will tell you who and what ISRAEL is.


12. How were the Jews treated by Arabs before Israel was created? How 
did the Europeans treat them? How do the Jews treat the Arabs today? 
Compare the way the Jews were treated by the Arabs and the way they are 
treating the Arabs today.

http://www.google.se/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enSE222SE222&q=Mark+Cohen++On+Jewish+Muslim+relations


 Later...... Ali G………

> 
> From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/05/29 ti PM 11:11:52 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: Zionism as a Racist Ideology
> 
> Cornelius,
>               For one who acknowledges that Gambia and Gambian fora 
> are not significant in determining policy, you seem to be spending an 
> awful lot of time trying to defend the indefensible. Gambians on this 
> forum are more sober and sophisticated than the half-baked American and 
> other gullible audiences who swallow Zionist propaganda hook, line and 
> sinker. So relax, take a cool bottle of coke, look in the mirror, smile 
> and get ready to defend your position on Zionism or go peddle your 
> Zionist propaganda elsewhere. In this vein, answer the following 
> questions (not through links to Zionist propaganda sites because we are 
> sophisticated and can see through the mistruths, half-truths etc.) 
> about Zionism and tell us your opinion or views. You wrote in a reply 
> to Habib that Zionism is not a racist policy. In your opinion,
> 
> 1. What is Zionism?
> 2. What are its prinipal tenets?
> 3. Why is it not racist?
> 4. Why do the Jews have a claim to the land of Palestine including the 
> part dubbed Israel?
> 5. How is Israel a democracy? 
> 6. Do the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship have the same rights 
> as Jews living in the same land? If not, why?
> 7. Why do "Jews" who were not born anywhere near Palestine and Israel 
> have an automatic right to have Israeli citizenship and move to Israel 
> whilst Palestinians whose land was confiscated do not have a right to 
> return to their confiscated lands? Is this right or fair? If so, tell 
> us why.
> 8a. Why has Israel not respected or implemented UN resolutions against 
> it but propagates together with its puppet, the US, for the respect and 
> implementation of resolutions against other countries?
> 8b. If Israel refuses to implement resolutions against it, should 
> other countries be forced to comply with the implementation of UN 
> resolutions? Why?
> 9. After Olmert publicly claimed Israeli possession of nuclear weapons 
> (after decades of lies), why should Israel not be forced to comply with 
> the same laws and guidelines being forced on Iran, North Korea etc? If 
> not, why?
> 10. According to international law, why should Iran not pursue its 
> nuclear program? What are the basis for the illegal and hypocritical 
> stance against the country?
> 11. Why should the US (the only country to have used nuclear weapons 
> against another based for the most part on racist considerations), 
> Britain, Israel, India, Pakistan, Russia and France have nuclear 
> weapons and not Iran? On what basis?
> 12. How were the Jews treated by Arabs before Israel was created? How 
> did the Europeans treat them? How do the Jews treat the Arabs today? 
> Compare the way the Jews were teated by the Arabs and the way they are 
> treating the Arabs today.
> 13. Is criticizing "Israel" and "Zionism" anti-semiticism and racism? 
> If it is, on what basis? Is criticizing Arabs and Muslims by calling 
> them "fanatics", "terrorists" etc. anti-semitism and racism? If yes, on 
> what basis?
> 14. Did the founders of Israel use terror tactics such as bombings 
> etc.? 
> 15. Does Israel practice Apartheid? If not, can you prove it?
> 16. If I come to house and steal your tv, stereo, money etc. because 
> somebody in Mongolia gave me told me that I can take them, am I 
> entitled to your property? If not, why should Israel be entitled to 
> Palestinian land because the Europeans with the their racist and 
> imperialist tendencies sat in London, Washington etc. and decided to 
> draw up a list of countries including Uganda to give to Jews for what 
> Europeans did to them? Why should Palestinians pay for European guilt?
> 17. Should someone be punished for a crime committed by someone else? 
> Is it in line with legality and natural justice? If no, why does Israel 
> punish the families of suicide bombers by bulldozing their houses when 
> in most cases the families are not even aware that the bombers were 
> planning to do what they did. How can you justify this?
> 18. Who has actually wipe a country from the map? Is it Israel or is 
> it Iran?
> 19. Are the Europeans who live in today's Israel the descendants of 
> the original Jews who lived there? If not, why should they have a claim 
> to the land? Just assuming that "are" the descendants, why should they 
> have a right to reclaim land they lost more than two thousand years 
> ago? Is this logical? If it is, do the native Indians in America have a 
> right to claim their land from Europeans who stole their it and expel 
> them to Europe? Do the Aborigines have a right to expel the British 
> unwanted criminals who were shipped to Australia as punishment back to 
> Britain? If these people do not have a right to expel the thieves who 
> stole their land just a few hundred years ago, why should "Jews" have a 
> right to reclaim land lost thousands of years ago?
> 20. Is Irael committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the occupied 
> territories? Was genocide and ethnic cleansing committed in the former 
> Yugoslavia? Was genocide and ethnic cleansing committed in Rwanda? How 
> do the practices practiced in these countries differ from what Israel 
> is doing in the occupied terroritories? 
> 
> Take your time, answer these questions and convince us.
>                                                                                                        
> Buharry.

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