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I see you got problems. That's what you get for messin with your friggin  
uncles. The jolas and Serers got my back. Did you read the story about the  
Darbos and the Serers??? We have a standing arrangement you know? No joke. This  is 
not legend. It is a contract, signed, sealed, and delivered with  
considerations.
 
Now then, I will only help you if you retract your statement about me being  
your silly uncle. Remember being in Malmo will not save you. I got people in  
Scandinavia you know. Nyamorkono will even fly over if need be. And yes I have 
a  daughter but she's got her own sholuder-mounted RPG. She's in the airforce 
and  nobody ties a friggin rope around her arms. Moytumade! Bahna. My 
Toucouleur  friend is right here with me. She's gonna give me a message for you.  
Later.
 
Your friggin uncle.
 
In a message dated 8/5/2008 12:19:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

You  frigin UNCLE you what you just cost me OaaH!!  now I have to feed  
some´jolas and serreh´s
Why : see
Am a tukurlor/toranko last  weekend was in Malmø was teasing the serreh and 
jolas you know this thing  between certain tribes in the Senegambian region. 
Okay now the reason why you  cost a brunch next week, this jola guy said to me 
he is uncle nups I said  instead he is slave the only uncle I have are the 
Darbo´s no matter how their  age, I always call the uncle, they started laughing 
the serreh lady said one  day they catch me calling a darbo by his name instead 
of uncle then I have to  feed them that was last Saturday at a marriage 
ceremony. Now two day later I  called you by your name, some fast mut lek man day 
say back home read our mail  exchange call this jola guy Mbye has called one 
Haruna Darbo by his name at  the GL dam  fast mut why can´t people mind their 
dam self. Uncle am  trying to wiggle myself out of this tight corner am telling 
you the serreh and  jolas Boy  O boy they can eat especially when is free. and 
is all your  fault Uncle I hope you
have a daughter that I can tie a rope (Julo)  around her arm.Ha ha!!

Haruna oh NO Uncle sorry  puuush

I get back to you later why I want to get to bottom of  this Jinnah thing 
it´s has been bugging sine my childhood  days

Cheers

Mbye and thank very much for your input  add some more if you can.

Let modesty be the rule of   observance. 



----- Original Message ----
From: Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent:  Monday, August 4, 2008 10:08:18 PM
Subject: Re: kelefa sanneh  book

Wait just a minute. Did you just call me a silly uncle Mbye? I  will not be  
pleased with you if you do. Ibe Takki lade!!  Bahna.

Anyways, I think this Jinn thing is a Muslim phenomenon. Share  with me your  
thoughts when you read Suratul Jinn as our brother  Suntou entreats. Bear in 
mind  what you know about viruses as you  read. I am dead serious Mbye. 
Remmember 
I'm a  Hafithul Half Qur'an.  You're funny yourself and you don't even know 
it. It's  like our  friend who in response to YayiNana's dead serious 
Depression 
notes,   came out talkin about friggin fish money. It was so serious it was 
funny  and I  am still laughing for no friggin reason. I don't even know that 
 guy 
but I love  him and YayiNana too. Speaking of YN. WHere's she at?  I miss 
her. 
She can be so  funny herself. You just don't know I', the  most serious guy 
on 
Ellen. What about  Kukeh and Demba. And Yero and  Laye (Dalasi). What about 
Galleh? And Badjan? I  don't wanna hear it  about me being a silly uncle. In 
fact 
if you continue I'll  be forced  to denounce you as nephew. Stripping you of 
all privileges to call  me  uncle. And I will record the denunciation in my 
local  
courts.

Where's Suratul Jinn anyway? Page 769 of Marmaduke  Pickthall's version  
bilingual edition SUNY Press, commissioned by  the Sultan Ul Uloom Nawab Sir 
Mir  
Osman Ali Khan Babadur, Nizam of  Hyderabad and Berar. See you later Mbye.

Haruna. Your handsome uncle.  Yeah which uncle is handsomer??? I can't hear  
you.


In a  message dated 8/4/2008 12:15:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
[log in to unmask] writes:

Ja ja  Haruna ha! ha! very funny be  careful my dear mum is Darbo I don´t a 
silly  uncle.This Jinn thing  is very intriging, and very difficult for me to 
 
comprehend is this  west a  African phenomenon I want to know.   
Cheers
Mbye

Let modesty be the rule of   observance. 



----- Original Message ----
From: Haruna Darbo  <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent:  Monday, August 4, 2008 10:08:18 PM
Subject: Re: kelefa sanneh  book

Wait just a minute. Did you just call me a silly uncle Mbye? I  will not be  
pleased with you if you do. Ibe Takki lade!!  Bahna.

Anyways, I think this Jinn thing is a Muslim phenomenon. Share  with me your  
thoughts when you read Suratul Jinn as our brother  Suntou entreats. Bear in 
mind  what you know about viruses as you  read. I am dead serious Mbye. 
Remmember 
I'm a  Hafithul Half Qur'an.  You're funny yourself and you don't even know 
it. It's  like our  friend who in response to YayiNana's dead serious 
Depression 
notes,   came out talkin about friggin fish money. It was so serious it was 
funny  and I  am still laughing for no friggin reason. I don't even know that 
 guy 
but I love  him and YayiNana too. Speaking of YN. WHere's she at?  I miss 
her. 
She can be so  funny herself. You just don't know I', the  most serious guy 
on 
Ellen. What about  Kukeh and Demba. And Yero and  Laye (Dalasi). What about 
Galleh? And Badjan? I  don't wanna hear it  about me being a silly uncle. In 
fact 
if you continue I'll  be forced  to denounce you as nephew. Stripping you of 
all privileges to call  me  uncle. And I will record the denunciation in my 
local  
courts.

Where's Suratul Jinn anyway? Page 769 of Marmaduke  Pickthall's version  
bilingual edition SUNY Press, commissioned by  the Sultan Ul Uloom Nawab Sir 
Mir  
Osman Ali Khan Babadur, Nizam of  Hyderabad and Berar. See you later Mbye.

Haruna. Your handsome uncle.  Yeah which uncle is handsomer??? I can't hear  
you.


In a  message dated 8/4/2008 12:15:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
[log in to unmask] writes:

Ja ja  Haruna ha! ha! very funny be  careful my dear mum is Darbo I don´t a 
silly  uncle.This Jinn thing  is very intriging, and very difficult for me to 
 
comprehend is this  west a  African phenomenon I want to know.   
Cheers
Mbye

Let modesty be the rule of  observance.  



----- Original Message ----
From: Haruna Darbo   <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent:   Monday, August 4, 2008 8:09:48 AM
Subject: Re: kelefa sanneh   book


Very humbling revelations Suntou. The Jinn particularly bear  a  marked  
resemblance to viruses. The known and unknown about  them. It  is striking. 
Just  
wondering out loud. Creative  loafing perhaps. You  and Mbye could be at the 
cusp  
of  cutting-edge science here to share  the codes that scientists have  been  
baffled by for centuries.  Wouldn't that be  awesome?!.

Haruna.

In a message dated 8/3/2008  11:42:19  P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask]   writes:

Haruna,  you know what, as you know better than me,  the  scientific world 
are 
still  working hard to make a break  through in  many ailments affecting the 
animal  kingdom. there  are no answers to  some of those problem.
God make it  clear that  there are some things  we have no understanding of. 
in 
the  mental  hospitals, all the  doctors could do sometimes is to make  the 
mad 
people less  violent.  they cannot cure them. how do  explain those? also the 
whole concept  of depression, what singular  issue is responsible for it? 
this 
are  trouble  questions  scientist are working hard on.
so it is not only  the Jinn  issue  that humans are finding difficult to 
understand, many  other every  day  issues. Like for instance when some 
people 
kill or   
commit murder, they confess  to hearing voices. have you ever  heard  of this 
cases? finally, are we as  humans in complete  control of our  mind?  

Haruna Darbo   <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:

Suntou, Mbye,

I  am  following your conversation and  writhing with ominous glee.  Suntou I 
think  our brother Sey is onto  som'n. Could Jinns be  viruses???? its worth  
further study. Ebola,  the Human  immuno-deficiency Virus, Bird Flu, Denghe,  
Mad 
Cow,  etc.  and on account of their mutative attributes (camouflage). I   
wonder!!

BTW, I ain't marrying nobody I can't friggin see. Fire  up  the  friggin Kiln 
Mbye! What a wonderful   weekend!

Haruna.

In a  message dated 8/3/2008 10:34:20  A.M.  Mountain Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask]  writes:

Thanks  Mr Sey for asking this  questions.
I am  assuming that you are a  Muslim, if i am wrong please  correct me.  if 
you 
are, then i will  refer you to certain verses of the   Quran and specifically 
to a  chapter talking about the existence of  jinns  and how the manipulate  
some 
people.
Jinns are  another creation of God  the most high.  they came from their won  
ancestor just like we as humans  came from  Adam and Eve. Jinns  came from a 
creature referred to as Iblis or  the  Devil or  Satan.
read quran chapter 2 verse 34, chapter 7 verse 11-18,  chapter  15 verse 
31-44, chapter 17 verse 61-65, chapter 18 verse 50,  chapter  20 verse 
116-120, 
chapter 34 verse 20-21, and chapter 38   verse  71-85.
and also chapter 5 verse 91, chapter 7 verses  200-201,  chapter 114  verses 
4-6, chapter 20 verse 120, and  finally, chapter 7  verses  20,21,27,175.

Brother Sey, read  this verses. The quran  abundantly warm  mankind against 
our  
mortal enemy the devil and his  off-springs.
now  coming to  your questions

1. What dose jinns  look like humans or  animals  birds ?
truly i don't know how Jinns look  like. what is  evident in many  hadiths or 
narration of the prophet of  Islam  is that, Jinns can take the  form many 
creatures, especially   dogs, cats, snake, birds and even humans.  there are 
base of   
deception, so they can take a form necessary for them to  be able  to  
deceive 
their targets. those who incant their names can tell  us  may  be how their 
Jinns 
appear to them. there have been  many narration  by  people in the Gambia of 
people going mad due  to seeing a certain  Jinn they  were calling. this is 
best  
known as too leeeya muta  (the name as made him  crazy.) quiet a  lot of 
young 
would be  marabouts go crazy due to this   phenomenon. so jinn can feel a 
room 

in a 
Snake form or a big bird  very  scary to the  caller.
according to other sources, Jinn  answer to people with  the  right age, so 
if 
one due to greed  wish to have a jinn answer to him,  and his age is below 
the  
required limit, you may go mad.
the  Ahamadiyas. dispute there  being a Jinn, but i would rather believe in  
explanation of the noble  prophet of Islam, than the ahamadiya  folks.

2. How do they live  and were do they eat and drink like us  ?
some hadiths stated that  Jinn, live in a parallel world to us. they  dwell  
in 
remote  places, since we cannot see them, they pick through  dirt and   
uncovered food. this is why a strong tradition exist among  Muslims  to make  
sure food 
is covered and that before night fall,   children are brought  indoors. Jinns 
eat and drink in ways God  made  possible for them but you  can conduct 
further 
reading  in that  aspect. in fact there is judo-Christan  explanation of  
demons 
around  as well.

3. Are they Muslims   Christians or whatever?
the quran  states that some Jinns are muslims  and  some are not. some also 
state  that jinn hear the word of  god from the  environment they dwell. so 
if 

they 
become  convince about Christianity,  they may adopt it just  like we humans  
do.
4. What languages do they  speak?
i don't know  the  language they speak among themselves. what is clear  is 
that  
they  communicate with people who invoke them in that person's   language.
5.  How comes we can see them and they can see us?
may be  you  wanted to  say, "how comes we can't see them and they can see  
us". 
to this  i  would say, this is the wishes of God, that  i have no answer to. 
God  does  what he wills. he made lions,  different, tigers, and even we  
humans, 
we  are different.  some us are white, some are brown,  black and yellow.
6. Can  we  marry (husband/wife) jinns and have  children with them?
people  made  remarks to that effect, there are  some narrations that some  
people marry  Jinns. but what the Islamic  stand point is that,  we are 
forbidden in  
marrying Jinn. we are  not the same  make-up. they are created form fire and  
we from clay.  it is  not suppose to happen. i haven't read any text stating  
whether   people marry jinns. but it is a common saying in the Gambia that   
some 
people have Jinn woman.
7. Are all jinns wicked towards   human  beings?
not all jinn are wicked. the quran states that  some  Jinn are  Muslims and 
obey the revelation. they come and  listen to  the recitation of  the quran. 
the 
majority obeys  their ancestor  the Satan who rebel against  God.
8. if so why do  hate us?
i gave  the reason for that on mt earlier  thread "our  relationship with the 
 
Satan as humans". 
thank you brother   Sey for asking, i appreciate  it. my intention is just to 
clarify  a  practise which is chronic in  our region. i do not intend to  
tarnish 
or  castigate any one. if  we see evil, our  intentions should be to remove. 
May  
Allah  forgive me and  continue to guide us. amen. the errors are   mine.



baboucarr Sey wrote:
Dear Suntou very   interesting  reading Marabouts Jinns.
I have some questions for if  you  can help answer  them.

What dose jinns look like humans  or animals  birds ?

How do  they live and were do they eat  and drink like us  ?

Are they Muslims  Christians or  whatever?
What languages do  they speak?
How comes we can  see  them and they can see us?
Can we  marry (husband/wife) jinns and  have  children with them?
Are all jinns  wicked towards human  beings? if so why do  hate us?

Suntou I hope  you can find  time to mystify or satisfy my  curiosity 
concerning the  this  subject,
thank you in advance  
e
Mby



Let   modesty be the rule of  observance.



----- Original  Message  ----
From: SUNTOU TOURAY  
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Sent:  Saturday, August 2, 2008  7:18:52  AM
Subject: kelefa sanneh  book

i was given a  book about the life of  kelefa sanneh by  SOAS.
it is interesting  if you are a nyancho. here is my  comments.   
http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/

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