Oh yes, I remember, Halifa, Sedia, Sam and Amie, Adama, Suwaibou yes,
have sacricied it all for the Gambia eventhough, the Gambia still
bleeds.
I wonder whether there are others who also sacrificed jobs, business
opportunities, the petty elites ranking, comfort, etc etc etc who
don't fall into the PDOIS organisational set up?
I am thinking is anyone out there who got involve in the Gambian
affairs, and because of that, you sacrificed many chances, I wonder.
Suntou


On 2/2/12, suntou touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Now coming to the larger issues, which is we are all in the mode chat
> today. The fact remains that, who is Joe, Kejau or Suntou to decide
> what topic Gambians should discuss over and above others?
> I guess because Suntou had his say, Joe will try to bring in unrelated
> and uconnected aspect.
> Kejau, Did I suntou ever stop you or prevent you from discussing any
> topic of your fancy? If you have the join the crew of touchy feely vou
> on Halifa, fine by me, however that will not, ever prevent me
> discussing what i deem publicly important.
> Therefore, if you think, discussing Jammeh today is more important
> than, what ensue in the office of Foroyaa, be my guest.
> As for today, right now, I equally find Jammeh's actions contemptable,
> but I also find the reaction of Halifa to his 'reporters' whom he
> brand incapable and should not attend his funeral or unname their kids
> after him, unbecoming and an error of judgement.
> Since when did Joe find discussing Gambian opposition issue
> irrelevant? Who has criticise the UDP, Ousainou and anything UDP in
> this forum more than Joe Sambou?
> Did I ever here you Kejau telling him, Jammeh is the priority, focus
> your lense on him? Hell no. So you see why your judgement here is
> narrow and completely irrelevant. As adults who have the right to
> discuss whatever we find topical on the Gambia L, under the
> stewardship of Laye Bamba, you Kejau, Joe or anynody for that matter
> cannot decide what topic is more significant than other.
>
> Bambalaye and Haruna always act jovail with one another on topics here
> nearly every few days, where are you my brave brother in telling them,
> oh, Jammeh is the issue not what should get you out of bed. Please, a
> little honesty goes a long way.
>
> On the issue of attending public actions, if the way you put it,
> Jammeh is more important, why are you not actively out in standing out
> like others, instead jumping in on issues without proper scrutiny.
> Jammeh's actions are important to me, however, he is our Gambian
> problem, no one will make him my problem, he is our problem,
> therefore, let us all do our best and solve it.
> Thank you
>
> On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> True, you have never seen me, but that does not mean I have not gone! You
>> see some of us really work for our livings. Beside when did you start
>> surfacing at demonstrations, last couple of years? Those issues are
>> beside
>> the Point, here brother, but you cannot insult folks here and not take
>> their
>> suggestions when organizing those events and expect folks to appear year
>> after year. The point Joe and I wish to highlight though is that Jammeh
>> is
>> the enemy not Halifa or I, and we have more pressing issues abound.
>> Cheers...
>> KT
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:10:15 +0000
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>>> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> I wonder who is burying his head and where you stand at the beach side
>>> whilst folks are burying their head brave warrior? I have never meet
>>> you at any affirmative action in the safe country of England but you
>>> will always promise to surface. Secondly, Jammeh travelled to America
>>> just a month ago, where were the paratroopers to make his stay
>>> uncomfortable?
>>> This is a national struggle, those whose statement matched their
>>> intentions, not only sponsored the opposition with their wealth, but
>>> they also play other active part. I guess, it will having nothing
>>> important to say,  will I indulge you.
>>>
>>> Foroyaa will never look the other way about any issue they found
>>> relevant for their opinion, be it family live issue, social or
>>> political neither educational events. So who can prance about here
>>> telling us to discuss something else?
>>>
>>> Of course Joe want to start a discussion which is why, he use the
>>> Foroyaa subject. However, who is he to dictate which topic people
>>> should say something on? If there is a problem in Foroyaa which
>>> becomes public knowledge, why wouldn't people discuss it? Is the role
>>> of Foroyaa not uncovering issues deem relevant for the public? The
>>> staff at the paper want certain issues sorted in order that, they can
>>> practise their duties properly, now the man they thought will keep his
>>> cool in resolving that issue went bersack, isn't that a public
>>> significant matter? If such a man as elavated he was made
>>> categorically stated that, "Don't come to my funeral" to his
>>> colleagues is published, I for one think that is a serious declaration
>>> of his state of mind and a public interest matter. This is a newspaper
>>> we are talking about, a paper that influence public opinion.
>>>  So please, if you have nothing better to say, just be yourself.
>>> Suntou
>>> Suntou
>>>
>>> On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Thanks Joe,
>>> > I call it burying heads into sand dunes! Not a single talk about the
>>> > impending NA elections due soon in The Gambia!
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > KT
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:54:32 -0600
>>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>>> > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>>> > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Suntou, it is as if Presidential Elections were never held in the
>>> > Gambia
>>> > and
>>> > you and your associates were to come and tell the people    where you
>>> > stand
>>> > with accepting the results and what to do next. None of you is
>>> > addressing
>>> > that but would clutter our boxes with Foroyaa, Sam and Halifa, as if
>>> > they
>>> > are ruling and abusing Gambians. Clearly, either you folks are out of
>>> > your
>>> > league or have nothing to offer Gambians but waste their time. It is
>>> > the
>>> > aftermath of the elections stupid! Exactly what most here thought you
>>> > folks
>>> > were about. I guess it is back to slumber for another five years while
>>> > Gambians suffer. Tell us about your damn election result stance and
>>> > what
>>> > you
>>> > bunch are going to do, rather than this nonsense you guys are trying
>>> > to
>>> > ride. If you can't do that, then open up a soup kitchen as Gambians
>>> > would
>>> > need it, or get lost. It is really too stale, this game of you all's.
>>> > The
>>> > story is Yaya Jammeh, elections, abuse, and circumstance stupid!
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:39 +0000
>>> >> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> >> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>>> >> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> >>
>>> >> Haruna
>>> >> You too have failed in your mission. I categorically call for your
>>> >> mediation, but you took it lightly. Read the statement below: (Sam
>>> >> Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”.)
>>> >> Fabakary Ceesay: "From what you have said, we all know that formally
>>> >> you may not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people
>>> >> who formed this establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing
>>> >> editor, but for the past two years we all know that you acted as the
>>> >> editor-in-chief. Most of the articles, you have the final say whether
>>> >> the article should be published or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr
>>> >> and  ask that this article has not been published, and Sam Sarr will
>>> >> say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us believe that you are the
>>> >> editor-in-chief, and you have the final say. "
>>> >>
>>> >> At this point, "Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make
>>> >> remarks that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your
>>> >> managing editor. What we do there has nothing to do with you people
>>> >> as
>>> >> employees."
>>> >>
>>> >> "Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in.."
>>> >>
>>> >> Hence it seems all my assertions are correct to the fact that,
>>> >> Halifa's fingerprints are all over Foroyaa's editorials passing off
>>> >> as
>>> >> by the 'publisher'.
>>> >> In any case, the dialog is revealing and telling. 'Faks, allow him to
>>> >> flow in', flow in Halifa did.
>>> >>
>>> >> It was interesting to see Seedy Ceesay of Jamano trying to give
>>> >> alternative angle to the exchanges. This matters goes beyond
>>> >> political
>>> >> idolisation or holding someone in respect, it is a matter of young
>>> >> journalist wanting to be free of interferance and disturbance whilst
>>> >> carrying out their job accordingly.
>>> >> I hope Foroyaa elders see that as a foundamental condition of proper
>>> >> employee entitlement.
>>> >> Suntou
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/31/12, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have mentioned to somebody that the day you know how to write
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > reports
>>> >> > without legal implications, and do it with fairness, I have no
>>> >> > reason
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > here, you will not see me here. So, your grievances may be
>>> >> > legitimate
>>> >> > grievances. It is how you put it, and to whom that matters.
>>> >> > This time you perform an abrupt folly. Some of you are just like
>>> >> > robots,
>>> >> > signing something without even questioning what you are signing;
>>> >> > without
>>> >> > even verifying what you are signing is a fact. Essentially, this is
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > situation. I believe that simply going and signing things without
>>> >> > actually
>>> >> > interrogating every detail you shown, I will even wonder then your
>>> >> > reports
>>> >> > whether they will not be checked again; because if a journalist
>>> >> > writes
>>> >> > something, he is writing facts. If you are writing petitioning is
>>> >> > facts,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > none of you can say that what I do here is making your work worse.
>>> >> > The
>>> >> > only
>>> >> > thing we are telling me what other people are interfering. What
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > got
>>> >> > to do with me? Who am I to tell people who should come, and who
>>> >> > shouldn’t
>>> >> > come here? In that sense, that is my concerns that I want to
>>> >> > discuss
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > you, that I have been gravely wrong…To put it in writing which can
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > utilized maliciously. In fact, you are putting my reputation into
>>> >> > danger,
>>> >> > because what you put on paper, anybody can send anywhere. The
>>> >> > immediate
>>> >> > thing they will say: this is what we are saying; Halifa is in fact
>>> >> > influencing these journalists to write things in favor of PDOIS.
>>> >> > So,
>>> >> > these
>>> >> > are my concerns, and I felt I did not want to hold a meeting. I
>>> >> > called
>>> >> > some
>>> >> > of you to have a discussion, and you guys said it was signed by
>>> >> > everybody,
>>> >> > and that you will prefer for us to handle generally whereby
>>> >> > everybody
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > be present. What I would have expected from anyone of you, if you
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > anything to tell me, is you come and tell me what is in you and we
>>> >> > settle
>>> >> > it. That is the good faith I thought that people are embodied in
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > institution.
>>> >> > I want to make my last comment: I don’t want any of you sitting
>>> >> > here,
>>> >> > if
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > were to stand for any office, to cast a vote for me. Anybody who
>>> >> > does
>>> >> > or
>>> >> > signs that document, and you go and cast a vote for me, you are a
>>> >> > hypocrite.
>>> >> > Even if I die, any of you who signed that document, don’t come
>>> >> > there
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > say
>>> >> > anything! Because you don’t believe what I believe, and therefore
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > journalistic work. Not that I have any grievance against you, you
>>> >> > know
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > people who consider me as their enemy, when they are in trouble,
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > when I stand to put myself that trouble. I will forever work, if I
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > anything that you can earn so that you can earn it. The reasons why
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > am
>>> >> > saying this, I want to prove to you that I am not interested in
>>> >> > being
>>> >> > anybody’s leader. Whether National Assembly, whether President, I
>>> >> > am
>>> >> > just
>>> >> > serving a national duty. So, that is what I want to say.
>>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Thank you very much uncle Halifa.
>>> >> > REACTIONS TO HALIFA SALLAH’S STATEMENT
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: I think everyone of us heard what you said.
>>> >> > At this juncture Momodou Sambou wanted to come in, and there was a
>>> >> > unanimous
>>> >> > agreement that he (Momodou Sambou) should go out from the meeting.
>>> >> > He
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > told that he is interfering, and he was not in fact invited…Halifa
>>> >> > Sallah
>>> >> > intervened and said to Sambou: “Based on what we want to achieve,
>>> >> > just
>>> >> > allow
>>> >> > us to achieve that”.
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: From what you have said, we all know that formally
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > may
>>> >> > not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people who
>>> >> > formed
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing editor, but
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > past two years we all know that you acted as the editor-in-chief.
>>> >> > Most
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > the articles, you have the final say whether the article should be
>>> >> > published
>>> >> > or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr and  ask that this article has
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > been
>>> >> > published, and Sam Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us
>>> >> > believe
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > you are the editor-in-chief, and you have the final say.
>>> >> > At this point, Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t
>>> >> > make
>>> >> > remarks
>>> >> > that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your managing
>>> >> > editor.
>>> >> > What we do there has nothing to do with you people as employees.
>>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in..
>>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Just state the facts as you know them. I am saying
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > what
>>> >> > we do there, you don’t know, and none of you knows! It can be
>>> >> > privilege
>>> >> > information, but what is important is Sam Sarr is your managing
>>> >> > editor.
>>> >> > If
>>> >> > you want accept in food faith that I am an editorial adviser, I am
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > one to see. If you are protesting is your managing editor that you
>>> >> > should
>>> >> > see. The rest is between us, not between you people. If you have a
>>> >> > particular article, and you see that something is not published,
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > when you should protest. If you protest, and see that yes want that
>>> >> > published, it has to be published. That is your grievances with
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > managing editor. People have a right to do that in this
>>> >> > institution.
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > seen many people who came to uncle Sam Sarr and said  that my
>>> >> > article
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > not been published, let it come. Then it is published in the next
>>> >> > instance.
>>> >> > That relation is there, is a privilege relation. It was not
>>> >> > happening
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > media houses.
>>> >> > In some media houses, if you don’t bribe people, your article will
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > published. If you are a woman, if you don’t sleep with a person, ,
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > don’t
>>> >> > get your article published. We know what is happening in many media
>>> >> > houses.
>>> >> > If Sam Sarr kenw that you are that type of a person, anyway I am
>>> >> > sure
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > will not get any information from him. People are getting privilege
>>> >> > information because one believes that this is an open institution,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > of us have the same interest. The day that Sam Sarr know this has
>>> >> > become
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > different institution (…), some even ready for destruction, I am
>>> >> > sure
>>> >> > Sam
>>> >> > Sarr will be a type of managing editor that you people think that
>>> >> > he
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > efficient. For me, I disagree with him tremendously, and if anybody
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > close
>>> >> > there, you will know what I am saying. That all these institutions
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > managed in such a way, that is what we call laissez-faire.
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: We are not saying that you are interfering with
>>> >> > our
>>> >> > work.
>>> >> > We did not say that. What we said is that political activities,
>>> >> > during
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > political campaign, we all know this place has been turned into a
>>> >> > bureau
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > the United Front. Most of their articles are in the office. We are
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > politicians; most of us join this institution because of our
>>> >> > political
>>> >> > interest, and our political affiliation; because of the objectives
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > believe, and the ideas of PDOIS. That is why we joined.
>>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Stop incriminating the journalists. What I am saying
>>> >> > separate, you said separation of powers. I have put a case before
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> > and I
>>> >> > can leave you to say what you want to say. The other that you are
>>> >> > mentioning, those are things you should mention among yourselves.
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we said is that Halifa Sallah of PDOIS
>>> >> > established
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > institution.
>>> >> > Lamin Sanyang: Point of correction; it is not PDOIS, it is People’s
>>> >> > Center.
>>> >> >  Fabakary Ceesay: We said both; People’s center and PDOIS.
>>> >> > Yaya Bajo came in and attempted to read the petition. Abubacarr
>>> >> > Saidykahn
>>> >> > reacted, and said that there was an adjusted version of the
>>> >> > petition,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > further urged Fabakary Ceesay to finish his reaction.
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we are saying is that we are not
>>> >> > discriminating
>>> >> > anybody coming to this place. We like that. People have been coming
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > institution before we come here. What we are saying is that
>>> >> > activities
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > political parties are all done here. People come here before they
>>> >> > go
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > rallies. Sometimes you will walk into the office, and you will see
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > kinds
>>> >> > of people. As far as Foroyaa is concerned, we don’t have any
>>> >> > problem
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > that. We know that people come to you for counseling, and we also
>>> >> > know
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > Daily Observer is the mouthpiece of the government. This
>>> >> > institution
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > more
>>> >> > of a political bureau than a newspaper bureau. APRC supporters do
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > go
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > Daily Observer and converge there. This is our concern. You come
>>> >> > here;
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > don’t even have a seat. People entered into rooms until Ousman
>>> >> > Sillah
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > to write a note on a chair to ask people to stop removing chairs
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > office. If I am practicing my job, I will do it impartially,
>>> >> > separated
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > politics. If I am into politics, I will be into politics…I will not
>>> >> > allow my
>>> >> > professional bureau to be turned into a political party. People
>>> >> > working
>>> >> > under that institution raised that concern. I think you should have
>>> >> > take
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > in good faith as far as democracy is concerned. We all know that
>>> >> > halifa
>>> >> > Sallah comes to Foroyaa, and thee establishment is formed by him.
>>> >> > We
>>> >> > cannot
>>> >> > distance Halifa Sallah from Foroyaa. Even though you are at
>>> >> > People’s
>>> >> > center,
>>> >> > you did edit our articles. We do not have a problem in that.
>>> >> > You see, Hamat Bah comes here; Henry Gomez comes here; all kinds of
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > with different affiliations come here. We know that Foroyaa is a
>>> >> > place
>>> >> > where
>>> >> > people come and lodge their complains. We are not saying that
>>> >> > Halifa
>>> >> > Sallah
>>> >> > should leave Foroyaa completely. The sacrifice you have taken on
>>> >> > behalf
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > some of us, we know that. You specifically mentioned my name when
>>> >> > Sam
>>> >> > Sarr,
>>> >> > Saidykhan and others were arrested. I was in the court room when
>>> >> > Sarata
>>> >> > Jabbie was granted bail, but she was taken away. I called Sarata’s
>>> >> > family
>>> >> > and they told that until 6 am Sarata did not join them. So, if you
>>> >> > said
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > I did not do my investigation correctly, I will disagree. I don’t
>>> >> > think
>>> >> > any
>>> >> > of us have a grievance. There are opinions that are contained in
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > document.
>>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Confine yourself!
>>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Article 15 of the petition that is what
>>> >> > touches
>>> >> > Halifa.
>>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: You said you will take the recommendations as
>>> >> > hostility. 99
>>> >> > per cent of us here are your own making. For how many years, I have
>>> >> > been
>>> >> > listening to your lectures. I started reading Foroyaa in 1994 when
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > form 3 in my High School. I started associating myself, and I am
>>> >> > because
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > Foroyaa. I learnt a lot from Foroyaa. You are a man of divergent
>>> >> > views.
>>> >> > Foroyaa has been established to create a kind of society where
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > express themselves freely without fair or favour. We know other
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > other media houses the way they talk about their managing editors,
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > system going on. We stand straight to defend Foroyaa at anywhere.
>>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: We have 22 main articles on our petition here,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > only that touches Halifa Sallah  is article 14 which one our main
>>> >> > concern. I
>>> >> > was very interested that you are only concerned with this one. Just
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > reiterate what Fabakaray Ceesay said, so many things have been
>>> >> > raised
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > us here. Out of my observation, you were peeved annoyed as to why
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > should
>>> >> > do these recommendations, and putting your name on a lose paper
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > might
>>> >> > fall into any hands as you said. Factually, I can assure that this
>>> >> > paper
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > not gone anywhere. In fact, it is only two copies that we have
>>> >> > circulated so
>>> >> > far. The only signed copies that were distributed were given to
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > uncle Sam Sarr. To be honest with you, and uncle Halifa there is
>>> >> > nobody
>>> >> > who
>>> >> > sat with us to connive or conspire something against you. In fact,
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > meeting was held here openly; people were passing in; people were
>>> >> > going
>>> >> > out.
>>> >> > It was one of the concerns deem necessary that we should put it
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > management, that is why we put it there! I was thinking that you
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > tackle
>>> >> > this issue with understanding, and not to think that people are
>>> >> > going
>>> >> > into
>>> >> > another stage.
>>> >> > During the presidential elections, there were many accusations that
>>> >> > were
>>> >> > running in and out here, and it is because of the coming of the
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > into
>>> >> > this office. That is why we feel that guiding this office to
>>> >> > entirely
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > place of journalistic work will allow us or will save us to run
>>> >> > away
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > all those accusations. I have mentioned one of these accusations in
>>> >> > one
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > the meetings at the NADD bureau, and those were people in the
>>> >> > party.
>>> >> > You
>>> >> > know what I mean…
>>> >> > Nobody is saying that you are interfering with our journalistic
>>> >> > work.
>>> >> > According to your own explanation, you’ve made proofs in some of
>>> >> > citations
>>> >> > that in my case that is a journalistic case. In the case of
>>> >> > Sanyang,
>>> >> > that is
>>> >> > journalistic. In the case of Fabakary Ceesay, that is also
>>> >> > journalistic.
>>> >> > That shows to me that you are getting into things that you don’t
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > see as the managing editor. So, we feel, even if you are not here,
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > still be doing that, but not for people to accuse us outside that
>>> >> > Foroyaa is
>>> >> > mixing politics with journalism. We want to completely defend
>>> >> > ourselves,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > put this institution to be respected by people so that they will it
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > purely journalistic. It is only journalistic work that is going in
>>> >> > out
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > this place. This institution is yours; I have known that since
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > started working here. In fact, you told me in one of our
>>> >> > discussions
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > you own this institution. But from your attitude uncle Halifa if a
>>> >> > new
>>> >> > person or a stranger comes here, he or she will not even know that
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > own
>>> >> > this paper. Because you have relegated yourself; you don’t show
>>> >> > people
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > you want property. I can testify. You taught me how to know myself
>>> >> > uncle
>>> >> > Halifa. Section 25 of the Constitution, I learnt it from you, from
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > editorials that give us power to petition the President. It is the
>>> >> > same
>>> >> > thing that we are applying here. We are not petitioning the
>>> >> > President.
>>> >> > But
>>> >> > that section, that is in the Constitution, and you taught me to
>>> >> > know,
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > is what we are doing here. We were thinking that when put this
>>> >> > before
>>> >> > you,
>>> >> > you would have been laughing. In fact, being inspired by our
>>> >> > activity
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > even you are far away from here, you will believe that these people
>>> >> > can
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > something in my absence.
>>> >> > If you should say to us that even if you die we should not go there
>>> >> > sand
>>> >> > say
>>> >> > anything. Then that means, you have taken this issue to a level
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > never expected. I have never, ever expected that you will say this
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > us. I
>>> >> > was so electrified when you mentioned that.
>>> >> > You advised us that journalist must be independent, neutral and
>>> >> > must
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > take side. It is your responsibility to tell us, even if it is an
>>> >> > accusation, that what we are saying is not the case. To tell us
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > frivolous conspiring, that was not what we have expected.The only
>>> >> > area
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > concerns you Uncle Halifa is on article 15 of this recommendation,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > there
>>> >> > is nobody who can clarify this issue for us more than you. Uncle
>>> >> > Sam
>>> >> > cannot
>>> >> > elaborate on this issue and you have succinctly elucidated during
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > statement that you are not interfering with our work. I think that
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > area that you should have drawn the cotton. And among us here no
>>> >> > one
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > interested in conspiring against you whether in public or private.
>>> >> > But
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > cannot also be use like tools by anybody as well.
>>> >> > Lamin Sanyang…This meeting is to engage the management about the
>>> >> > issue
>>> >> > which
>>> >> > I feel is very necessary. Like you always said that uncle Halifa is
>>> >> > like
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > conscience to the nation you have been engaging the president and
>>> >> > other
>>> >> > people. So I feel if we as reporters of Foroyaa should make the
>>> >> > same
>>> >> > thing
>>> >> > why thinking that is hostility or frivolous. I don’t think that is
>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > This
>>> >> > is our opinion and we all have the right to our opinions. About the
>>> >> > Tax
>>> >> > Commission, I was the one who was at the tax commission. Mr. Fafa
>>> >> > Mbye
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > at the commission and was asked about his tax payments for 2011,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > further told by the state counsel that he has defaulted which he
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > accepted. So that is why I put that headline that he has defaulted.
>>> >> > Pateh Beldeh… I want to start with as Uncle Halifa has said.
>>> >> > Definitely
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > are proud of Halifa and I think each and every one of us is proud
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > what
>>> >> > PDOIS generally not even foroyaa. Foroyaa is an organ of PDOIS. I
>>> >> > think
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > discuss this, we believe in this and most of us know this. We are
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > saying
>>> >> > anybody who is at PDOIS should not be attached to Foroyaa we are
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > saying
>>> >> > that. We are saying anything of political issues should be address
>>> >> > at
>>> >> > people’s center. Once you are here you are putting on Foroyaa
>>> >> > Uniform
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > we are saying. Once going for political issues you should put on
>>> >> > political
>>> >> > uniform and then we go to people’s center and address it there. As
>>> >> > far
>>> >> > as my
>>> >> > understanding is concern, I am a journalist and a politician. And I
>>> >> > believe
>>> >> > that uncle Halifa should be proud of us. Halifa some of us as he
>>> >> > said
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > we were in the dustbin. He has help us to be part of the society
>>> >> > then
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > should be proud of that and then he should never repeat this
>>> >> > because
>>> >> > he
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > done it for the sake of Allah and people have recognize his job.
>>> >> > The
>>> >> > whole
>>> >> > world respected Halifa and the whole world respected PDOIS no
>>> >> > matter
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > from which party in this country. And no matters from which media
>>> >> > house,
>>> >> > if
>>> >> > you meet with a Foroyaa reporter you have to give regard to the
>>> >> > person.
>>> >> > No
>>> >> > matter the challenges we face, we respect the editorial board of
>>> >> > Foroyaa
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > it does not mean that we should not have the sake to complain to
>>> >> > them
>>> >> > and if
>>> >> > that is case then what we learn here is meaningless. Some of us can
>>> >> > sit
>>> >> > here
>>> >> > and look at halifa for the whole day without realizing it. I
>>> >> > remember
>>> >> > sitting with him while fasting but I cannot even remember that I
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > fasting
>>> >> > just because of the love I have for him. We also come here and
>>> >> > encounter
>>> >> > lots of difficulties but we are taking it in good faith.
>>> >> > Musa Barrow… We describe this as a sanctuary for liberty and a
>>> >> > bastion
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > freedom. So essentially the spirit behind this letter I don’t it
>>> >> > meant
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > offend anyone because as we all know we are all been here working.
>>> >> > Is
>>> >> > just a
>>> >> > suggestion that we are making because so often especially during
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > campaigns some of my colleagues will complain that the office is
>>> >> > washed
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > so many people using the chairs. So it was out of that concern that
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > recommendation was made. There is no element of hostility in this.
>>> >> > Here
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > are brothers and sisters and I do think being hostile to one
>>> >> > another
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > not in anyway help our course.
>>> >> > Yaya Bajo.. What I want to say with the reaction of Halifa to this
>>> >> > particular point. I think you should explain to us the answer of
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > first
>>> >> > question you pose to us in the beginning. But to tell people that
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > want people to vote for you and stuffs like that has taken me by
>>> >> > surprise
>>> >> > definitely speaking. Because I think you are a leader and you
>>> >> > should
>>> >> > accept
>>> >> > constructive criticism.
>>> >> > Mamadou Dem... I think my colleagues have said it all. We don know
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > person Sam Sarr is answerable to because this is the third time we
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > having such kind of a meeting and all that use to say is “Yes I
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > look
>>> >> > into it.” This is all he says and at the end of the day nothing
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > implemented. We do not who is answerable to.
>>> >> > Ania Gaye.. I wan to talk on the political issue. Most of the time
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > fine people sitting here and all they discuss is politics which is
>>> >> > reducing
>>> >> > our character. We cannot do our journalistic work the way we should
>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > They
>>> >> > will all converge here talking about politics and nothing else and
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > feel
>>> >> > that is not going to secure us as journalist and some of them could
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > NIAs.
>>> >> > Lamin Njie/ Accountant…For me my concern is that you people
>>> >> > misunderstood
>>> >> > uncle halifa. In any society there must be a chain work and
>>> >> > commandments. If
>>> >> > you have any problem you go the editors first and to the managing
>>> >> > editor
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > from the managing editor to uncle halifa he should be the last
>>> >> > person
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > should see. If these people cannot solve your problem, among
>>> >> > yourself
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > select one person to go to them. For me I am very much
>>> >> > disappointed.
>>> >> > There
>>> >> > should be a chain of command and you don’t have to by past your
>>> >> > boss.
>>> >> > You
>>> >> > know writing is very dangerous, you don’t know that?  At this
>>> >> > juncture
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > strikers could not control laughing and Mr. Sallah intervenes by
>>> >> > saying
>>> >> > “You
>>> >> > guys are not serious he is talking and you are laughing.” The
>>> >> > accountant..
>>> >> > There are lots of problems happening here without you people
>>> >> > knowing
>>> >> > it.
>>> >> > Sulayman Bah… We exhausted all options before calling this meeting
>>> >> > by
>>> >> > writing to the management it self. You see, Uncle Sam would agree
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > at
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > end of the day he will do nothing absolutely. i some time fine it
>>> >> > difficult
>>> >> > to write my article and when I told uncle Sam he will show me
>>> >> > disinterest.
>>> >> > When the petition was served the way you approach me uncle halifa I
>>> >> > would
>>> >> > describe that as an attack because the whole thing is jointly
>>> >> > written
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > every reporter agree to it. You went to the point saying that you
>>> >> > will
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > tolerate none science. And you always talk about democracy and
>>> >> > democracy
>>> >> > is
>>> >> > all about divergent views and people must express their opinions
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > there
>>> >> > is no where were people will have the same opinions on matters.
>>> >> > Awa Bah… The difficulty we faced outside is that the moments you
>>> >> > introduce
>>> >> > yourself as a Foroyaa reporter people see you as an opposition
>>> >> > journalist
>>> >> > directly linked with politics. This is what is affecting us as
>>> >> > journalist of
>>> >> > this paper. Some people fine it difficult to send their kids to
>>> >> > come
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > Fororyaa just because of the too much political ideology mixed with
>>> >> > journalism.  This is not done out of anger. That is what I have to
>>> >> > say.
>>> >> > Sarjo Camara… Uncle Halifa, I think this move is a very progressive
>>> >> > move
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > me.
>>> >> > And if at all it was a reactionary move I think it would have not
>>> >> > come
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > this way. You are a roll model to all of us and the reason is to
>>> >> > bring a
>>> >> > breach between our work and politics. This is the only point we
>>> >> > feel
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > should come in and clarify. We have been calling meetings in your
>>> >> > absence
>>> >> > and is the same thing we discuss. You know people better than all
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > us
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > you can even read the mines of others.  None of have the interest
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > living
>>> >> > this office for another place. I personally I know what foroyaa did
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > me
>>> >> > so I will not exchange foroyaa for any other institution. Please,
>>> >> > take
>>> >> > every
>>> >> > thing in good faith and give us your own opinion the way we should
>>> >> > work
>>> >> > positively to achieve our aims and objectives of this organization.
>>> >> > Halifa Sallah.. Thank you very much.
>>> >> > Mamadou Sambou… Wanted to come in to say something but
>>> >> > unfortunately
>>> >> > was
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > allowed by the strikers to utter a word and was further by Halifa
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > calm
>>> >> > down.
>>> >> > Reporters’ Recommendation
>>> >> > 1. General meeting for staff and other office sections on regular
>>> >> > basis.
>>> >> > 2.  Inconsistency with food provision.
>>> >> > 3. Salary increment: increment for payment for articles. Provision
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > books,
>>> >> > pens, and other working materials.
>>> >> > 3. Provision of standard and workable computers.
>>> >> > 4. Refurbishion of the reporters’ place of work.
>>> >> > 5. Increment of salary status of freelance journalists according to
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > Gambia Press Union’s recommendations.
>>> >> > 6. Late payment of salaries.
>>> >> > 8. Reaching a contract agreement before commencement of work.
>>> >> > 9. Handing of appointment letters including employment packages
>>> >> > i.e.:
>>> >> > entitlement. Social security membership cards and payment of social
>>> >> > security
>>> >> > dues.
>>> >> > 10. Adjustment of press cards. Eg the Gambia before institution
>>> >> > name
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > emboldening of the ‘Foroyaa’ name.
>>> >> > 11. Approval of fares and late coming of approving editors.
>>> >> > 12. Transport allowances to reporters.
>>> >> > 13. Quality of editing of the articles with presentable but
>>> >> > captivating
>>> >> > captions
>>> >> > 14. We need sub-editors on courts, sports and other sectors: news
>>> >> > editors
>>> >> > and proof-readers from our midst.
>>> >> > 15. We recommend that Halifa Sallah of people’s Center move to the
>>> >> > NADD
>>> >> > office to create enough room for reporters. The besieging of the
>>> >> > office
>>> >> > premises by politicians is of a great concern. We recommend that
>>> >> > there
>>> >> > be a
>>> >> > clear separation of politics from journalism.
>>> >> > 16. We have noticed that food is not provided since the appointed
>>> >> > cook
>>> >> > has
>>> >> > been bed-ridden by an ailment and we recommend that a substitute
>>> >> > cook
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > hired in case such circumstance occurs.
>>> >> > 17. We call for an immediate but speedy staffing of reporters who
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > served for more than two years.
>>> >> > 18. We recommend that reporters be upgraded PROFESSIONALLY.
>>> >> > 19. Increment of Columns pay/ informing of staff over issues of
>>> >> > delay
>>> >> > payment of salaries IF there is any such problem. We demand
>>> >> > reporters
>>> >> > be
>>> >> > giving reasonable explanation supposedly if the management is
>>> >> > facing
>>> >> > financial hiccups.
>>> >> > 20. We are calling for a general meeting with the entire management
>>> >> > by
>>> >> > FRIDAY 16th, after the Friday prayers.
>>> >> > 21. The printing of the newspapers ranging from pictures, should be
>>> >> > given
>>> >> > due consideration.
>>> >> > 22. Since the paper is the oldest in the country, we recommend that
>>> >> > it
>>> >> > comes
>>> >> > on a daily basis.
>>> >> > IF THESE ABOVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT GIVEN DUE AND URGENT
>>> >> > CONSIDERATION BY
>>> >> > 15th JANUARY 2012, WE WILL EMBARK ON A SIT-DOWN STRIKE.
>>> >> > Sign:
>>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan……………………………………
>>> >> > Sulayman Bah……………………………..
>>> >> > Fabakary B. Ceesay………………………………………..
>>> >> > Musa Barrow
>>> >> > Pateh Baldeh……………………………………………….
>>> >> > Mamadou Dem…………………………………………………
>>> >> > Sarjo Camara ……………………………………………..
>>> >> > Lamin Sanyang …………………………………………
>>> >> > Annia Gaye……………………………………………
>>> >> > Amie Sanneh…………………………………..
>>> >> > Kebba Camara …………………………..
>>> >> > Awa B Bah ………………………………….
>>> >> > Abdoulie Dibba …………………………….
>>> >> > Madiba Singhateh ……………………….
>>> >> > Mariama Ceesay………………………
>>> >> > Lamin Fatty…………………………..
>>> >> > Yaya Bajo……………………………..
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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