I say amen/ameen to that.
Joe
>From: Ceesay Soffie <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:13:45 -0400
>
>I missed all of the exchanges that transpired before Buharry's response and
>going to the archives is a big chore for I would have liked to be able to
>click on a date to read what had happened. At any rate, reading further
>below has given me a slight understanding and here are my two cents as a
>subscriber - hauling insults at others to make a point is an exercise by
>those lacking in vocabulary. However, I will call an idiot an idiot for an
>idiotic act which is there for all to see! I would not want to get
>un-subscribed because I called a spade a spade. This, I believe, can be
>done in a matter-of-fact and respectful manner.
>
>I would like to join Joe and Buharry in appealing for calm and cool heads
>to
>prevail until the management sorts out this latest fracas. I would hate to
>see those who were de-listed and those who are doing it voluntarily gone.
>Honestly, that would definitely change the L for me. By the same token, I
>would hate to read belligerence and insults in mails on a daily basis - a
>big turn-off. There is so much that is right with this Bantaba that we can
>build upon. Let us not, again, resort to razing a building to the ground
>only to start a foundation of the same when we can build up on what we
>have.
>
>Thanks,
>Soffie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
>
> Hi Joe!
> I just sent a piece which basically reflects what
>you said and then got your mail. We are in sync here and I hope reason
>prevails. Thanks for your insight.
>
>Buharry.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
>
>
> > List members (silent and vocal), I am appealing to
>you'll
>to put a
> > moratorium on delisting individuals until we come to an
>agreement or
> > understanding on how to proceed with normal operations
>on
>the L. Can you
> > kindly reinstate the individuals affected and we all
>engage in a more
> > productive discussion to put this behind us. I
>understand
>this whole mass
> > management delisting and voluntary delisting by
>individuals came about
> > because of a commentary by Dave Manneh, which Mboge
>seconded, etc. I do not
> > think divorcing oneself voluntarily or otherwise from
>the
>forum is the
> > answer to this problem, nor do I think that starting
>another bantaba is the
> > answer. Let us calm down and reason out the issues to
>an
>understanding.
> > Once again, please reinstate the people in question and
>I
>also appeal to
> > those that voluntarily delisted to reconsider their
>decision and come back
> > to the table. Remember, the struggle of our people is
>bigger than each an
> > every one of us. Going our separate ways does nothing
>but
>hurt the very
> > cause that we fought for so long - forging a better
>Gambia
>for all. I
> > patiently await your cooperation in this request.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> >
> > >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
> > >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:29:15 -0400
> > >
> > >Jaiteh, please give us a break with these crocodile
>tears. Let us grant to
> > >you that we need a code of conduct (which I doubt);
>explain to us why you
> > >'delisted' Mboge summarily without 'delisting' people
>that used the
> > >'a-word'? Don't pretend to be better than people that
>use
>language you
> > >would
> > >not use in your daily affairs or at the Bantaba in
>Baddibu. Hypocrites do
> > >NOT have the moral high-ground over straight-shooters,
>in
>my book. Your
> > >actions are indefensible. Tell us all the offensive
>words. Is the threat of
> > >violence acceptable to you in your daily affairs? Do
>you
>know that it is a
> > >crime to threaten people with violence like you
>threatened me the other
> > >day?
> > >I warned you before that if you embark on this slippery
>slope of
> > >censorship,
> > >you can NEVER tell where it will land you. You can get
>'delisted', among
> > >other things.
> > >KB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Malanding S. Jaiteh" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >><[log in to unmask]>
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: I am Delisting myself in protest
> > >>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:05:55 -0400
> > >>
> > >>Karamba,
> > >>It is sad to learn that you are delisting from the L
>if
>the Management
> > >>does
> > >>not adopt a No-DELISTING policy. I must say I am one
>of
>your few admirers
> > >>on
> > >>this list, not only for your intellect but for your
>ability to make your
> > >>point with respect and dignity. I think you will
>surely
>be missed if you
> > >>deside to leave.
> > >>
> > >>Karamba, I repect your point on free speech and your
>desire that we do not
> > >>regulate it. Nevertheless, I do not subscribe to the
>notion of letting
> > >>people say what they want in any manner they choose
>including insults and
> > >>rants. In my few years of existence in this world I
>know
>no society or
> > >>community without rules of conduct. I believe that any
>gathering must set
> > >>standard that all must work to achieve or keep. And
>Gambia-l should be no
> > >>exception.
> > >>Form the societies we come from (our families, ethnic
>groups and Gambia)
> > >>to
> > >>the ones we live in there
> > >>are regulations. I do not know any group of people who
>call themselves
> > >>civilized, mature and intellect who when they meet say
>whatever they wish
> > >>to
> > >>whoever they want.
> > >>
> > >>So it pains me to see seemingly great Gambian minds
>(over 500 of them)
> > >>coming together and just to haul any thing that they
>can
>pick in the name
> > >>of
> > >>free speech. Where is calling each other names and all
>adjectives take us
> > >>as
> > >>a people discussing our future?
> > >>
> > >>As I said, I respect your views but I do not agree. I
>have explained my
> > >>action (removing Modou Olly-Mboge) to the management
>team and when I hear
> > >>from them I will let the entire list know why I did
>what
>I did.
> > >>
> > >>Have a good day and I ask you to reconsider your
>decision.
> > >>
> > >>Malanding Jaiteh
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:35 AM
> > >>Subject: I am Delisting myself in protest
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I am voluntarily Delisting myself from Gambia-L to
>protest the
> > >>management's
> > >> > penchant to regulate the speech of people
>especially
>those perceived to
> > >>be
> > >> > offensive. Unless the list adopts an outright
>policy
>of NEVER delisting
> > >>any
> > >> > member for ANY reason, I am not interested in
>participating. It is
> > >>absolutely
> > >> > foolish to attempt to regulate speech and I want no
>part of it. Let
> > >>people
> > >> > say what they want in any manner they choose
>including insults and
> > >>rants.
> > >>It
> > >> > is an acceptable hazard of freedom of speech. We
>have
>been through this
> > >> > never-ending cycle of absurd attempts at behavior
>control that has and
> > >>will
> > >> > never work. Let members be what they choose to be
>as
>free people.
> > >> > Karamba Touray
> > >> >
> > >> >
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