Yero,
The topic of Islam has been discussed vigorously on this forum for a very long time. Visit the archives when you have time. My personal view is and always has been that any topic that is relevant and beneficial to us as Gambians or at least a segment of the population can be discussed here. It is a forum for the dissemination of ideas as well as a forum where hopefully we can enhance each other's knowledge about the various issues that are relevant to our society.
I think one of the problems we Africans have is that we tend to side step issues, and this not only leads to the proliferation of ignorance, but it promotes the culture of not talking about a particular subject because you may offend someone and we all know what that has brought us. E.g, If you discuss politics and challenge people, they say it is because you hate them.
I have also been told numerous times by many people that there are folks on the ground who have appreciated and learned from topics on Islam that were discussed on this forum.
Rgds,
Jabou
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From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:24 am
Subject: Re: tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal
Sister Jabou,
Thanks a lot for your clarification. Moments after I posted, I saw yours also.
Some of you who have been here for long would have to excuse my likes, because I
don’t know how much these discussions were dealt with here. That’s why I make a
boring contributor sometimes. My short break is getting over now but I like the
Gambia-L, and will always jump in as time permits me on topics that interest me.
But al ham dou lil lah, to the list of Wallace and Malcolm, please add to this
forum, the honorable Keith Ellison, Congressman of Minnesota. We as Muslims
should be proud of him. I know I am and hence my bashing lines “2006’s man of
the year” then.
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Kind Regards,
Yero.
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:10:01 -0500> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re:
tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal> To: [log in to unmask]> >
I want to clarify that it is the "bai faals" who are engaged in this shirk.>
Yero's examples of Elijah Muhammad's son and Malcolm X's renounciation of the
Nation of Islam are prime examples of the importance of speaking out against
shirk as Muslims and thereby guiding each other. Infact, this is the duty of
every Muslim, especially when it comes to matters of shirk because shirk is a
serious matter since man engaging in shirk and "bida" is how he has managed to
alter the message of Allah sent to His creation and many times it is done to
benefit those who engage in it. > Jabou> > > > > > > > -----Original
Message-----> From: [log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Sun,
30 Dec 2007 9:16 am> Subject: Re: tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal> >
> > > > > > > > > Suntou,> > My dad's family comes from a village near Touba and
infact, there are some > family connections for us there. However, my father
left there as a young man > and never set foot again in touba, nor did I ever
hear him even mention the > 'maggal' in our household. He was a very pious man
and avoided shirk at all > cost. The Mourids are engaged in big time shirk and
you are right, if one were > to speak against it in Senegal , you would be met
with untold ignorance and > they would probably kill you. This is why those who
did not want to be > associated with this cult movement left the place.> > Jabou
Joh> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY
<[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Sun, 30 Dec 2007
3:01 am> Subject: Re: tribute to Salieu Mbackeh Ba, Touba-Senegal> > > > > > > >
> > > yero,some info on amadou bamba .> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AhmaduBamba.jpg>
> what i know of the mbye faal movement.i need some one to verify my info .the >
information was posted on bantaba a while ago.have a read.> yero this was posted
in july 2007.> > this posting may irritate some people but that is the >
historical account i heard about the mbay faals or the touba murids.> why are
the grand sons and family of serign bamba maintaining a religious order > or
doctrine that have nothing to do with islam ? who was serign bamba bah ?> what
brand of islam did he adhered to ? who was his teacher and who are his >
students ? would he tollerate this situation happpening in Touba in senegal >
today if alive? who is sheik ibra faal?> the short story goes as follows .the
creation of mbye faal in touba .sheik ibra > faal was believe to be a student of
serign bamba .they narrated that ibra faal > was having a mental disorder .he
was acting strange and advicing his own family > to do strange things .ibra faal
was very loyal to sereign bamba ,he would do any > > thing for bamba but serign
bamba knew his loyal sarvant has a mental > problem.they said ibra faal would
advice his family and some villagers to make > even children fast during ramadam
.he would advice people to make there > livestocks not eat any thing during
fasting. this unislamic statements reach > serign bamba .he summond sheik ibra
faal and asked him about all the strange > things he was doing .he ibra faal
admitted to making those comments.> from that point serign bamba bah ,they said
narrated the hadith of prophet > muhammad (pbuh) '' three types of human beings
are excuse from religious duties > ,one a mad person. some one insane ,one who
cannot distinguise between good and > evil .secondly a child before he/she reach
adulthood .children are not > accountable for religious things they do .if they
do good things fine if not > fine ,but the parents should bring up chids with
descipline and care. thirdly > some one sleeping .if one is sleeping he/she is
not accountable for any thing at > > that period''.> > now serign bamba assess
sheik ibra faal's mental state and came to the > conclusion that the man is
insane ,or unstable. he then use that hadith of > prophet muhammad to advice
sheik ibra faal not to engage in any acts of worship > like fasting ,praying and
so on.> this statement of serign bamba became distorted by many in senegal. they
> concluded that serign bamba said to ibra faal ''don't pray i will surfice you
> infront of God in judgement day ''. how unaccurate. who is serign bamba to
have > that status ? how can he change the command of God? even prophet muhammad
was > told you cannot decide who goes to paradise or hell .let alone serign
bamba .but > > serign bamba like many big scholars knew better .he never said to
ibra faal > don't pray i will surfice you. he uses his scholarly mind to assess
ibra faal > who was even telling mothers to make babies fast.> > why did the
mbye faal cult emerge arround the person of ibra faal ?. a mad men > in africa
use to have dreaded hears or locks .even in the gambia ,mad men's hear > > are
always locks and unkempt. this was how ibra faal's head looks like. a symbol > >
of madness .this is the same symbol the mbye faal imitate without properly >
analysing why did he allow his hear to locks and be dreaded .> some people among
the sufis in past use to also have locks call jimbo in > mandinka .there was a
song to that effect .jimbo jimbe sanye balo ( a dread > locks that will never be
shave off ). this sufi men would abandon living among > people ,they will take
refuge in the forest and survive on fruits and things > like that. they don't
combe their hears .> > the family or later ofsprings of seriegn Bamba and some
his talibe's sons came > together to form a cult of sereign bamba and the insane
ibra faal .they make up > all sorts of stories around the two persons. ibra faal
cutting threes all day > and he missed asri salah ,so bamba told him don't worry
about that i will > qaranttee you infron of God .all lies. sereign bamba praying
on the river whilst > > transported to Gabon ,this can't be verified.> the
maggal and the like are all money generating schemes and to provide comfort > to
those ignorant folks.> all they are engaging in Touba is shreik .bidah .why
can't sereign bamba's > offspring tell the mbye faals the truth ?why can't they
advice the mbye faals to > > stop drinking alcahol in the name of ibra faal ?
there are many simple questins > one can ask the socall sheiks of Touba but if
one dear to ask them ,you may get > kill for exposing their gran scam .it is so
sad what they are doing on the good > name of sereign bamba .may his soul rest
in peace.amen.> i expect some reactions. > --------------------------------->
power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool >
.(malcolm x ) Santanfara> > > > United Arab Emirates> 1721 Posts> Posted - 17
Jul 2007 : 11:33:46 > ---------------------------------> i may not have the time
to clarify the dreadlocks issue later so let me do > > it now.> > i don't mean
dreadlocks is a sign of madness in all circumstances .i mean in > many parts of
africa ,it use to be a sign of madness. jimbo is the mandinka name > > for
dreadlocks .some warrior fighters use to bread there hears and hide jujus >
underneath them .the nyanchos and korings use to do that .> i also listen to the
story of the black hat man in jamiaca who was known to be > the fisrt rasta man.
i listen to burny wellars version of the story .i listen to > > the naration
about 12 years ago. the song is call the black man ,but even in > burny wellars
song he said ''people use to think that the black hat man was > mad''. i did not
say that dread locks mean madness ,it use to mean that way in > long time
ago.now it is symbol of fashion and life style not madness.> >
---------------------------------> power only respect power. there is a time to
be hot and a time to be cool > .(malcolm x ) Santanfara> > > > United Arab
Emirates> 1721 Posts> Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 10:44:11 > --------------------------------->
interesting ,i didn't have any reactions . well i thought lemon time the > mbye
faal would have attacked me. > ---------------------------------> power only
respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool > .(malcolm x )
mansasulu> > > > 309 Posts> Posted - 19 Jul 2007 : 21:21:02 >
---------------------------------> my brother, i think your observations to say
the least are flawless > ---------------------------------> "...Verily, in the
remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad > (Chapter 13, Verse
28)> > ...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... Santanfara> > > >
United Arab Emirates> 1721 Posts> Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 23:52:04 >
---------------------------------> thanks mansa , there are two sides to a coin
.i hope some body will come > with another version so that we can debate in the
making of the touba elites and > > the gang mbye falls > --------------------------------->
power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool >
.(malcolm x ) [input] Page: 1 2 3 4 of 4 > > > Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:> > (Courtesy of Freedom Newspaper)> > > http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/2664/SENEGAL-THE-MURIDS-KHALIF-GENERAL-SERIGN-SALIOU-MBACKE-PASSES-AWAY/Default.aspx>
> > Indeed, a great tree has fallen. May Almighty God be pleased with his soul.
> Their father according to history was a very pious and gifted one. May
Almighty > God be pleased with his soul-the late Amadou Bamba Ba. > > One thing
that is not certain to me, whether they the succeeding caliphates of > the great
Sheik Amadou Bamba Ba (May Allah Be Pleased with him) denounced the > teachings
of their followers (talibehs)whose way is not conforming to the > teachings of
the respected Bamba Ba (may Allah be pleased with him.)> > > Does anyone here
know their stance on these talibehs locally known as > "Mbai-Faals?"> > > Yero.
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