KB:
Thanks a million for reducing NGUM, the LIAR, to bits; Ngum and Lamin Ceesay
are the kind of nonentities and mediocre thinkers in this World who do not
comprehend what DIGNITY and DECENCY mean in human existence. Frankly, KB, I
sometimes get sick up to my belly when I come across my fellow Gambians who
are all the time mortgaging their souls to the devil, even though when they
are aware of the imbecilities and moronic behaviors of the devil. But for
the sake of satisfying their personal egos, or trying to settle personal
scores against someone who was once their childhood competitor, and who was
more successful than they were before, these nonentities will continue to
HARBOR GRUDGES and HATRED against that childhood friend for decades. And
they will continue to harbor grudges until some day, some where when they
feel that they can now vomit that bag load of grudges and hatred onto their
childhood friend, they will jump right on it. Consequently, these
nonentities will fully take advantage of that moment just to embarrass that
childhood friend, period. This is pathetic. Decent people don't wanna know
what transpired during those "NDONGO SEREKUNDA, or NDONGO BANJUL, or NDONGO
BADDIBOU, or NDONGO GUNJUR DAYS", period. Bringing those NDONGO DAYS and
GRUDGES or HATRED is absolutely absurd and foolish. This is no joke here;
we are dead serious about the HORRENDOUS TORTURING of decent, harmless and
defenseless people who DID NOT commit a single crime, and even an iota of
evidence could not prove their quilt, period. And yet, we have vermin and
soulless imbeciles who were under influence took upon themselves to go to
MILE 2, just to put the lives of these decent and fine human beings through
hell. Frankly, this kind of moronic actions and imbecility always make me
PUKE. Whether OFFICER CHONGAN who was once the companion of NGUM and LAMIN
CEESAY in SEREKUNDA or BAKAU or some where at that time, and was more
successful than most of his companions is nonsense. Who knows? May be
CHONGAN who was such a fine officer and who used look CUTE and CHARMING in
the eyes of SEREKUNDA, BAKAU or BANJUL GIRLS and driving expensive cars was
always winning COURTLY LOVE ENCOUNTERS against the Ngums and Ceesays; that
was why the NGUMS and CEESAYS have harbored so much personal grudges against
OFFICER CHONGAN, period. Other than that, frankly, with all due respect to
the likes of Ngums and Ceesays, I cannot perceive a GIST of sense out of
such a blatant accusations. These people should be ashamed of themselves.
Ansumana.
>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPEN TO US AT RIP.
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:58:02 -0400
>
>Ous, we are still waiting for you to tell us about the atrocities Chongan
>committed that would warrant you to say that he is a worst monster than the
>people that tortured him. You know you CANNOT prove that. That is why I
>said
>that you are a LIAR. The torture that Chongan et al suffered in the hands
>of
>these vermin is unparalleled in Gambian history. At first I was just
>talking
>about Chongan and wanted to put you on the spot to back up your lies, if
>possible. Clearly, you CANNOT pin anything on the man that is remotely
>close
>to the injustice that was meted on him. Remember, his only 'crime' was that
>he was defending the legitimate government of the day. What Gambian has
>Chongan ever tortured who was defending the government of the day?
>
>Let us move further. If you know anything at all about torture in the
>country prior to 1994, you will know that one of the worst, if not the
>worst
>victim of such practice was the late Alieu Sallah. Not Pap Cheyassin Secka.
>Not Simon Talibo Sanneh. I give these examples because Secka in particular
>later unashamedly admitted that he was a major participant in a plot to
>overthrow the government of the day. Left to Secka alone, Jawara and all
>his
>ministers would have been killed had the coup been successful. Have you
>ever
>heard Secka narrate the torture told to us by Ebou Colly and Chongan? Mind
>you, torture in 1981/82 has NOTHING to do with Chongan. He was NOT even in
>the Force then. He was in High School.
>
>Now, let us look at what happened to Alieu Sallah. Do you know who was
>Sallah's tormentor? A certain Police Officer had a personal vendetta
>against
>Alieu Sallah. According to eye-witnesses (including Alieu Sallah himself)
>Sallah had humiliated this Officer in broad-daylight asking him to dance
>while Sallah and his 'coup-mates' clapped and laughed at the man. When the
>coup failed, this man came back for revenge against Sallah. I believe this
>was the worst case of torture that was reported in the aftermath of 1981.
>Out of respect for other potential victims, I would not definitively say
>that Sallah was the worst victim. I do not know everybody else's story. I
>have family members that were incarcerated at 'Depot'. None of them
>reported
>to me a systematic form of torture that was going on. This is not to say
>that that did not happen.
>
>Again, I have to remind you that this got NOTHING to do with Chongan. Now,
>this man underwent torture that would have killed many Gambians. In fact it
>killed Sadibou Hydara. Most people did not know that this took place. Some
>of us that heard about it, did not want to believe that such a heinous
>thing
>happened to someone whose only crime was trying to perform his
>constitutionally mandated duty. He volunteers his time to tell us what
>happened. As Prince said, he does not even seem to harbor the resentment
>most people would have wanted him to harbor. He did not come here to
>minimize torture that could have taken place pre-1994. He did not try to
>portray himself as a hero or an angle. Matter of fact, both him and Ebou
>Colly expressed how fearful they were.
>
>And what did we have? You coming from nowhere, with resentment I cannot
>imagine, saying that Chongan did to people worse than was done to him and
>is
>capable of being worse than Yaya and his gang. To add insult to injury, you
>CANNOT back up your lies. Instead you label the man and invite him for a
>shouting match over G_L. What kind of man are you? Do you think Chongan has
>the time to come here to prove a negative? I think you are overestimating
>your importance and the depth of your empty accusations. You think if you
>say Chongan is a monster people will just buy that? 'Tabulate' his
>horrendous crimes and his many victims. Then people will know who you truly
>are.
>
>Like Sanusi said, no one is saying that Chongan is an angle. Chongan
>himself
>will not claim that. However, both you and Joe Sambou CANNOT come up with
>anything remotely similar to what Chongan and Ebou Colly said happened to
>them. If you pursue this avenue people will just see you as spiteful people
>that are indifferent to the plight of these heroes that were defending our
>Constitution when most men were under their beds hiding from the bandits.
>How can you compare a bar brawl with incarceration in 'Dead Row' for ten
>months and a mock execution after a brutal beating? You are right that
>injustice is injustice. But, there is also what we call proportionality.
>Thanks to people like you the horrendous actions of the AFPRC thugs (like
>Yankuba Touray) is lost in all this. Chongan is now in England (by the way,
>I take this opportunity to congratulate him for successfully completing his
>Law Degree. I stated earlier on that he was studying, but it was brought to
>my attention that he has just completed. Great Job Chongan) ….anyway,
>Chongan is now in England. Has no power. Yankuba Touray on the other hand
>is
>a very powerful man in this regime. Tomorrow these morons can wake up and
>slaughter 100 Gambian children. Commonsense demand that we make them our
>priority. Rather than diluting the atrocities of these vermin by comparing
>their heinous actions to bar brawls, you would be helping the struggle more
>by focusing on our current predators. If you want to fight that battle and
>castigate people that were part of the old regime but currently hold no
>power, by all means go ahead. If you do NOT tell lies that affect me and my
>friends, you will not hear from me. But you start calling my friends
>torturers and monsters, you will hear from me. Don't flatter yourself and
>think that you are so important that I will ready to engage in a 'war' with
>you. Never also delude yourself to think that I am going to sit down and
>brace for your 'harsh' rhetoric. You have no clue who you are dealing with.
>This is not the first time we crossed paths. Revisit the archives. When you
>do that, also check my contributions (or lack thereof) in the 'fight' Ebou
>Jallow had with certain G_L members. Then you will realize whether I just
>support people willy-nilly.
>
>My unwavering support for people like Chongan and Ebou Colly is a very
>informed decision. Call me a praise-singer or whatever you want. See, I
>rejoice in the achievements of good Gambians. I do NOT just judge certain
>people and condemn them for good. I give people benefit of the doubt and do
>research before I make certain accusations. I know for a fact that Ebou
>Colly NEVER tortured anyone. Has no blood on his hands. Chongan also NEVER
>tortured anyone. Having said that, I also know that some childhood friends
>of Chongan can come here and tell us that Chongan might have jokingly
>instructed someone to incarcerate them or ask them to perform the 'monkey
>dance'. Now, is it appropriate to bring these matters up in order to put
>the
>man down? Especially when Chongan and his perceived victims all want to put
>these matters behind them. I do NOT struggle to bring people down. I do NOT
>have a heartache when I read good things about good people. I firmly
>believe
>in repentance and people's ability to turn their lives around. Chongan is a
>classic example of that. Who would have thought that the DIG of Police
>would
>be reduced to a 'Dead Row' and 'RIP' inmate and he would later pick up his
>life and become a Lawyer? And finally I take this opportunity to inform Joe
>Sambou that this might have been Chongan's first contribution on G_L, but
>he
>has been fighting in the trenches in this struggle. He is not just joining
>the struggle. Member of the Movement in London will tell you that Chongan
>is
>a very active member of that Movement.
>
>Be my guest and pursue this matter with all the harshness you can muster.
>KB
>
>
>
>>From: Ousainou Ngum <[log in to unmask]>
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>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: WHAT HAPPEN TO US AT RIP.
>>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:25:42 -0700
>>
>>Joe:
>>
>> That episode was just another one that solidifies my case against this
>>Chongan cry-baby. You know, these people are trying to juxtapose the
>>Chongan
>>who was under the command of someone and the unleashed AFPRC folks. I
>>mean,
>>are these people serious when they try to put my credibility on trial for
>>exposing the devil within this Chongan guy? He had, in the past,
>>repeatedly
>>arrested innocent people and physically assaulted them in broad daylight,
>>fire his hand gun in the air to end nightclub and bar sessions, go after
>>his
>>supposed foes and etc, etc... Let Chongan speak for himself rather than
>>have
>>a host of praise singers singing a contrived recod on his behalf.
>>
>> KB, are you distorting my words or is it that my language ain't
>>straight
>>talk? You have gone up to the extent of trashing my rationale and
>>labelling
>>me a liar just because you know the man personally.(if this persists, my
>>response will be quite harsh) I'll let it be known that I know the man, as
>>well, but when it comes to telling it as it is, there should be no room
>>for
>>sentiments. I think you're being overly sentimental. This is where we
>>differ. You are one of the most out-spoken critics of the injustices being
>>perpetrated by the Jammeh establishment on the G-L, yet you seem to be
>>stifling the crimes that this dude perpetrated when he had limited power.
>>Let's call a spade a damn spade! Where is the double-standard coming from?
>>
>> Besides, I'm in no way "shifting my position". What I'm saying is that
>>from what we've seen in this guy when there was still something to fear,
>>he
>>would have been worse than the AFPRC members had he acquired such powers.
>>And DO NOT DISTORT THIS ONE, ok? I mean, we have already seen enough of
>>the
>>monster in this guy in order to figure out what kinda dictator he would
>>have
>>been had he acquired absolute power as is the status quo with Jammeh. It
>>doesn't take a "fortune teller" to figure it out. If it's war that you
>>want
>>as well, be my guest too. I'm still sticking by my position. Good night.
>>
>>Ous Ngum.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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