God! Can somebody please get my MATURITY whip?  This is quite embarassing,
and I am shocked by all of this.  Honestly, stuff like this need not be
posted on the L.  This goes for ALL other postings about "the president", E.
Ceesay etc.  I think this is getting outta hand.

Personally, I don't think the list managers are doing a "great job",
"managing" this list.  We need a better resolution to this nonsense.  List
Managers???

Essa


>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Yusupha Jow
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:46:45 -0500
>
>I had drafted the message below and wanted to send it to G_L before I saw
>Saul's response to Yusupha. I was almost tempted to stop sending this
>message (because I respect Saul's wish to handle this matter with Yusupha)
>but I finally decided to just send my perspective. I am glad that Saul
>meant
>his comment as a general comment just as I thought (see below). To both
>Saul
>and Yus, my message is no longer meant as a 'peace-keeping' message. Please
>read on and I hope you will take away from it that the victims here are the
>defenseless Gambians held to ransom by the illegal regime we have back
>home.
>Jawara and his gang have done enough damage to us, as things are right now.
>We should not allow ourselves to be saddled by the Jawara legacy. Yusupha,
>as Saul said, he was not singling you out in his first mail. I believed
>that
>from the onset. He does not know your family, and was not trying to
>disrespect your family. I know your family and frankly when I saw Saul's
>statement, you never crossed my mind. You do not have to take what Saul
>said
>personally and try to put yourself in a group you do not belong to. Guys, I
>hate to get into your business because I do not like it when people tell me
>what to do, but it sickens me more sitting by and watching this matter
>deteriorate to unwarranted levels.
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>
>Yusupha, thanks for your mails. From your postings and knowing a little bit
>about your background, I know that your are dedicated to the cause of
>relieving the suffering of some of our brothers and sisters back home. I
>also have no doubt whatsoever that Saul Khan is also totally committed to
>making sure that our people are freed from the tyranny Yaya visits on them.
>
>While I do not pretend to speak for Saul, here is my interpretation of what
>he wrote. He was making a general comment. As the cliché goes, to every
>general rule, there are exception. It is true that there were some people
>during the Jawara regime that embezzled public funds to among other things
>educate their kids. It is also true that there were others that worked
>(legitimately) to provide for their families the things they did.
>
>What is important is what each of us and people very close to us, know. If
>you know for instance that you and some of your friends benefited from
>clean
>and hard earned money, consider yourselves as part of the exception to the
>general comment Saul made. In that case, you should not be offended. If
>Saul
>or anyone else for that matter singles you out personally, and directly
>accuse you, then it would be legitimate for you to come out and vigorously
>defend yourself and your family. But I think it would be a mistake to try
>and defend all the inhabitants of Fajara. None of us have all the facts and
>therefore it is an impossible burden to carry on ones shoulders.
>
>I am jumping in here because I value the contributions both of you make to
>this forum and elsewhere. I also sensed what I regarded as a
>misunderstanding leading to characterizations none of us in the Opposition
>deserve. People that are totally committed to the Opposition do not deserve
>to be called corrupt Jawara people if they are not. It is also grossly
>unfair to equate Saul to Yaya and say that he is trying to bring a class
>warfare.
>
>So Yus, I would respectfully urge you to not take what Saul said as
>personally directed to you. Regard yourself as part of the exception, as I
>did, and move on. You simply do not know all the Fajara inhabitants that
>well to vouch for their integrity. When it is all said and done, and Yaya
>is
>removed from office, we can all come out and tell our stories if we want.
>
>What Yaya did, is very different from what Saul is talking about. It pains
>me to even mention Saul and that mental midget in the same sentence, in
>this
>manner. Saul is a good person. Yaya did not just make a general comment.
>The
>vermin personalized issues and victimized some people right before our
>eyes.
>Having said that, I also recognize that some of the people that suffered
>under Yaya deserve what they got. Some of the very people Yaya made
>destitute at some point, went back to work for him and assist him to become
>more corrupt than Jawara ever was. Modou Dibba from Coops is a classic
>example. Yaya and his cohorts went on the rampage with their class warfare.
>If you knew these people before, you will know that they are all losers
>with
>the biggest inferiority complex. Despite that Yaya was hoist from Kanilai
>and put up by a benevolent family in Banjul; despite that Yaya's more
>affluent contemporaries never showed him any signs of class superiority,
>this evil person still hated people he thought (in his little brain) were
>superior to him. It was and is still in his imagination. Why do you think
>Yaya goes through all these spending sprees, lying that aid coming to the
>country and meant for the Gambian people is in fact coming directly from
>him? The moron wants to impress people. He is suffering from acute
>inferiority complex. He will never be happy because he is looking at the
>wrong place for salvation. Most Gambians would have had more respect for
>this vermin had he adopted a kid from Kanilai like the Tambas put him up.
>People would have appreciated that more than the moron stealing power from
>the people and holding the whole country at ransom.
>
>They are all deviants. They have always been envious of people. There is
>nothing wrong in wanting the better things in life. But for Heaven's sake,
>work hard for it. If Yaya worked hard and was self-made like Saul Khan, you
>and I and then criticize people for being corrupt, I will not quarrel with
>that. But these parasites never put in a hard day's work. They use brute
>force to extort a living from the Gambian people. People like Yaya and
>Yankuba Touray are no different from robbers that hold people at gun point
>and ask them to withdraw money from a Teller machine. They are all
>hustlers.
>
>Yusupha, I hope that you take Saul's comments in good faith. I do not know
>what transpired between the two of you in the past, but I sincerely do not
>think that the message you quoted from Saul warrant enmity between the two
>of you. I do not think Saul has a grudge towards people that 'made' it in
>The Gambia. I can also assure you that I have no grudge against affluent
>people. Yes, I hate corruption and I also believe in accountability, but
>unlike Yaya, I am not motivated by envy and I will not partake in any
>scheme
>to seize people's property without due process of law. It was from that
>principled standpoint that in 1994 I denounced the commissions of inquiries
>that were being used to seize people's properties. Let me point out here
>that not a single family member of mine was brought before a commission. I
>recognized then and still recognize that even people like Abu Denton
>deserve
>their day in a real court before their properties are taken away from them.
>This is a matter of principle. Even if the man is going to be deprived of
>his properties, allow him to go to a real court and prove that almost
>twenty
>of the previous thirty years during the PPP regime, he (Denton) was living
>in a 'cabinet and salle' at Allen Street, presumably saving up for his
>family. Let me make it abundantly clear that I do not hold brief for Denton
>and others. But I believe in due process and I believe Saul also believes
>in
>same. The way we work hard for our living in the U.S. should say a lot
>about
>our differences with the frauds that are currently running our country. We
>paid our dues to the society. Society asked us to be disciplined, educated,
>wake up every morning and show up to work, live within our means etc. No
>one
>is perfect, but some of us did our darn best to do what is right. We cannot
>say that for the uncouth, uneducated, lazy and parasitic lot running our
>country. Let us not breed enmity where it does not exist. The real enemy is
>the lazy and envious parasite living off of taxpayers' money at the state
>house in Banjul. Knowing that if he comes to America he would not be able
>to
>lead a flamboyant live-style by flipping burger at McDonald's, the vermin
>took the only other avenue he knows how to navigate: He held the whole
>Gambian population at gun point and took us to the Teller machine (Central
>Bank).
>KB
>
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