Gassama, thanks for your post. Now that we have yet another live victim of
the APRC, can you tell your fellow Gambians your honest opinion regarding
the torture syndicate that operates in our country.? You seem to know
everything that the APRC does and are good at trumpeting their causes.
However, you always stay silent when Gambians are killed, tortured,
kidnapped, or harassed. It seems to me that all you care to discuss on this
list are the projects that Yaya is setting up. Do you have any concerns for
the Human Being? What is your take on the narrative of Alhaji Mbye? If you
believe him, are you going to criticize the government for its Gestapo
tactics? You cannot say you do not know the background of his case, for
even the courts weigh in on his side. My intension in this exercise is not
to ridicule or talk down on you, but to dialogue with you on the human
condition as relates the NIA and other torture outfits that your beloved
leader, Yaya is operating. I patiently await your opinion on the points
raised.
Chi Jaama
Joe Sambou
>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Our Time Has Just Arrived.
>Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:26:42 +0000
>
>I must again apologise for the long time it has taken me to answer some of
>the issues you’ve raised.
>You wrote:
>“Jungle Sunset,
>Many have insulted you on this forum but you cannot claim that all the
>comments you forward upon everyone is received with joy. Whatever our
>political stance we share a country whose peace and growth is hopefully on
>all our minds. In many of our contributions it seems each of us is trying
>to
>contribute in the way they know how. What surprises me about you is your
>intellectual polarity. Unfortunately it is very common among Yahya's
>supporters in general especially those who had some formal education of
>some
>sorts. Doesn't it seem clear to people like you that it is principle that
>in
>fact account for peace and development we aspire”?
>
>Kalilu, for meaningful change for the better to take place in our country,
>we need to share a common vision, understand that vision and aspire to make
>that vision a reality by putting in place those structures that would be
>necessary. However, my observations on the L seem to point to, in most
>cases
>at least, to a general rule that seem to provide only a very narrow
>spectrum
>outside of which it is taboo to talk about. It is totally unacceptable to
>me
>for anyone to try to impose his/her will on people no matter how well
>intentioned it is. This, in my book, is called a dictatorship. Equally, I
>don’t believe that two wrongs can equate a right in any sense of the word.
>As such, we Gambians, must look inward our selves, cultures, upbringing,
>present day realities and honestly ask ourselves which of the many
>tasks/difficulties that we can realistically solve to the satisfaction of
>the majority of our peoples. By satisfaction here, I mean a solution that
>the majority fully understand as a realistic and perhaps the best position
>available to us at the material time.
>
>You also wrote:
>“Based on principles of human equality how can you possibly justify the
>seizure of power by a stubborn few and ruling the many by force. You
>advocate peace and peaceful means of change but you turn your eyes from
>Yahya’s method of rising to power by force. Why is he an exceptional? You
>must know that people in the west are fighting for animal rights why are
>individual human rights of your brothers and sisters not an enough issue
>for
>people like you to denounce Yahya’s regime. Did you ever think that
>seriously any opposition had a chance to offset a regime that came to power
>by force? Now it’s not only the sweet fruits you maybe able to consume
>today
>but should we not consider the seeds we are sowing in the process. Don’t
>you
>think that the way of the jungle is in its rise to power--- to use your own
>phrase”?
>
>I have never defended the above view of yours and I don’t know what ever
>gave you that impression. If you say that I hardly get involved in
>discussions concerning so-called human rights violations, I will not deny
>that. This is because whereas the issues of human rights, as many have
>pointed out to me, are very important in ushering in a better Gambia, it is
>not the be all and end all of our woes as far as I am concerned. To me, the
>individual cases are far less important to me than the many other issues
>that affect us. Some of these, unless they are solved, pose a far more
>serious danger to the peaceful co-existence that we now enjoy and pride
>ourselves in than anything else. The late Israeli General and leader, Moshe
>Dayan once said, “if you want peace you talk to your enemy and not your
>friend”. If people decide to be martyrs, murderers or torturers that is
>their business. I personally believe in dialogue and the frank exchange of
>ideas and not the arrogant view, held by some, that whatever you perceive
>to
>be wrong must be confronted and changed regardless of whatever the
>consequences are going to be. Change is a very complex thing and as such
>must be managed carefully by taking into consideration other, less obvious
>but equally important, issues. Confrontation only breeds disaster. In an
>interview this weekend President Olusego Obasanjo, in an answer to a CNN
>correspondent about the recent massacre of civilians by the Nigerian army,
>said this "Soldiers are not trained to maim, they are trained to kill".
>These are very chilling words but are unfortunately true especially with
>African armies. It is therefore prudent to deal with them very carefully
>and
>not to confront them unless abosolutely neccessary. I will therefore end by
>quoting the following "Pride is a dangerous associate and a thinking man
>should be aware of it, for it can lead him to risks and troubles he would
>not otherwise endure".
>
>Have a good day, Gassa.
>
>
>
>
>
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>>Subject: Re: Our Time Has Just Arrived.
>>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:18:12 +0000
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