Now coming to the larger issues, which is we are all in the mode chat
today. The fact remains that, who is Joe, Kejau or Suntou to decide
what topic Gambians should discuss over and above others?
I guess because Suntou had his say, Joe will try to bring in unrelated
and uconnected aspect.
Kejau, Did I suntou ever stop you or prevent you from discussing any
topic of your fancy? If you have the join the crew of touchy feely vou
on Halifa, fine by me, however that will not, ever prevent me
discussing what i deem publicly important.
Therefore, if you think, discussing Jammeh today is more important
than, what ensue in the office of Foroyaa, be my guest.
As for today, right now, I equally find Jammeh's actions contemptable,
but I also find the reaction of Halifa to his 'reporters' whom he
brand incapable and should not attend his funeral or unname their kids
after him, unbecoming and an error of judgement.
Since when did Joe find discussing Gambian opposition issue
irrelevant? Who has criticise the UDP, Ousainou and anything UDP in
this forum more than Joe Sambou?
Did I ever here you Kejau telling him, Jammeh is the priority, focus
your lense on him? Hell no. So you see why your judgement here is
narrow and completely irrelevant. As adults who have the right to
discuss whatever we find topical on the Gambia L, under the
stewardship of Laye Bamba, you Kejau, Joe or anynody for that matter
cannot decide what topic is more significant than other.

Bambalaye and Haruna always act jovail with one another on topics here
nearly every few days, where are you my brave brother in telling them,
oh, Jammeh is the issue not what should get you out of bed. Please, a
little honesty goes a long way.

On the issue of attending public actions, if the way you put it,
Jammeh is more important, why are you not actively out in standing out
like others, instead jumping in on issues without proper scrutiny.
Jammeh's actions are important to me, however, he is our Gambian
problem, no one will make him my problem, he is our problem,
therefore, let us all do our best and solve it.
Thank you

On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> True, you have never seen me, but that does not mean I have not gone! You
> see some of us really work for our livings. Beside when did you start
> surfacing at demonstrations, last couple of years? Those issues are beside
> the Point, here brother, but you cannot insult folks here and not take their
> suggestions when organizing those events and expect folks to appear year
> after year. The point Joe and I wish to highlight though is that Jammeh is
> the enemy not Halifa or I, and we have more pressing issues abound.
> Cheers...
> KT
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:10:15 +0000
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> I wonder who is burying his head and where you stand at the beach side
>> whilst folks are burying their head brave warrior? I have never meet
>> you at any affirmative action in the safe country of England but you
>> will always promise to surface. Secondly, Jammeh travelled to America
>> just a month ago, where were the paratroopers to make his stay
>> uncomfortable?
>> This is a national struggle, those whose statement matched their
>> intentions, not only sponsored the opposition with their wealth, but
>> they also play other active part. I guess, it will having nothing
>> important to say,  will I indulge you.
>>
>> Foroyaa will never look the other way about any issue they found
>> relevant for their opinion, be it family live issue, social or
>> political neither educational events. So who can prance about here
>> telling us to discuss something else?
>>
>> Of course Joe want to start a discussion which is why, he use the
>> Foroyaa subject. However, who is he to dictate which topic people
>> should say something on? If there is a problem in Foroyaa which
>> becomes public knowledge, why wouldn't people discuss it? Is the role
>> of Foroyaa not uncovering issues deem relevant for the public? The
>> staff at the paper want certain issues sorted in order that, they can
>> practise their duties properly, now the man they thought will keep his
>> cool in resolving that issue went bersack, isn't that a public
>> significant matter? If such a man as elavated he was made
>> categorically stated that, "Don't come to my funeral" to his
>> colleagues is published, I for one think that is a serious declaration
>> of his state of mind and a public interest matter. This is a newspaper
>> we are talking about, a paper that influence public opinion.
>>  So please, if you have nothing better to say, just be yourself.
>> Suntou
>> Suntou
>>
>> On 2/2/12, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Joe,
>> > I call it burying heads into sand dunes! Not a single talk about the
>> > impending NA elections due soon in The Gambia!
>> > Cheers,
>> > KT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 01:54:32 -0600
>> > From: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>> > disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Suntou, it is as if Presidential Elections were never held in the Gambia
>> > and
>> > you and your associates were to come and tell the people    where you
>> > stand
>> > with accepting the results and what to do next. None of you is
>> > addressing
>> > that but would clutter our boxes with Foroyaa, Sam and Halifa, as if
>> > they
>> > are ruling and abusing Gambians. Clearly, either you folks are out of
>> > your
>> > league or have nothing to offer Gambians but waste their time. It is the
>> > aftermath of the elections stupid! Exactly what most here thought you
>> > folks
>> > were about. I guess it is back to slumber for another five years while
>> > Gambians suffer. Tell us about your damn election result stance and what
>> > you
>> > bunch are going to do, rather than this nonsense you guys are trying to
>> > ride. If you can't do that, then open up a soup kitchen as Gambians
>> > would
>> > need it, or get lost. It is really too stale, this game of you all's.
>> > The
>> > story is Yaya Jammeh, elections, abuse, and circumstance stupid!
>> > Joe
>> >
>> >> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:18:39 +0000
>> >> From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Re: [G_L] The Sand Castle that is Foroyaa!!!! I am terribly
>> >> disappointed in Halifa. Haruna.
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> Haruna
>> >> You too have failed in your mission. I categorically call for your
>> >> mediation, but you took it lightly. Read the statement below: (Sam
>> >> Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”.)
>> >> Fabakary Ceesay: "From what you have said, we all know that formally
>> >> you may not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people
>> >> who formed this establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing
>> >> editor, but for the past two years we all know that you acted as the
>> >> editor-in-chief. Most of the articles, you have the final say whether
>> >> the article should be published or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr
>> >> and  ask that this article has not been published, and Sam Sarr will
>> >> say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us believe that you are the
>> >> editor-in-chief, and you have the final say. "
>> >>
>> >> At this point, "Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make
>> >> remarks that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your
>> >> managing editor. What we do there has nothing to do with you people as
>> >> employees."
>> >>
>> >> "Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in.."
>> >>
>> >> Hence it seems all my assertions are correct to the fact that,
>> >> Halifa's fingerprints are all over Foroyaa's editorials passing off as
>> >> by the 'publisher'.
>> >> In any case, the dialog is revealing and telling. 'Faks, allow him to
>> >> flow in', flow in Halifa did.
>> >>
>> >> It was interesting to see Seedy Ceesay of Jamano trying to give
>> >> alternative angle to the exchanges. This matters goes beyond political
>> >> idolisation or holding someone in respect, it is a matter of young
>> >> journalist wanting to be free of interferance and disturbance whilst
>> >> carrying out their job accordingly.
>> >> I hope Foroyaa elders see that as a foundamental condition of proper
>> >> employee entitlement.
>> >> Suntou
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1/31/12, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I have mentioned to somebody that the day you know how to write your
>> >> > reports
>> >> > without legal implications, and do it with fairness, I have no reason
>> >> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> > here, you will not see me here. So, your grievances may be legitimate
>> >> > grievances. It is how you put it, and to whom that matters.
>> >> > This time you perform an abrupt folly. Some of you are just like
>> >> > robots,
>> >> > signing something without even questioning what you are signing;
>> >> > without
>> >> > even verifying what you are signing is a fact. Essentially, this is
>> >> > the
>> >> > situation. I believe that simply going and signing things without
>> >> > actually
>> >> > interrogating every detail you shown, I will even wonder then your
>> >> > reports
>> >> > whether they will not be checked again; because if a journalist
>> >> > writes
>> >> > something, he is writing facts. If you are writing petitioning is
>> >> > facts,
>> >> > and
>> >> > none of you can say that what I do here is making your work worse.
>> >> > The
>> >> > only
>> >> > thing we are telling me what other people are interfering. What that
>> >> > has
>> >> > got
>> >> > to do with me? Who am I to tell people who should come, and who
>> >> > shouldn’t
>> >> > come here? In that sense, that is my concerns that I want to discuss
>> >> > with
>> >> > you, that I have been gravely wrong…To put it in writing which can be
>> >> > utilized maliciously. In fact, you are putting my reputation into
>> >> > danger,
>> >> > because what you put on paper, anybody can send anywhere. The
>> >> > immediate
>> >> > thing they will say: this is what we are saying; Halifa is in fact
>> >> > influencing these journalists to write things in favor of PDOIS. So,
>> >> > these
>> >> > are my concerns, and I felt I did not want to hold a meeting. I
>> >> > called
>> >> > some
>> >> > of you to have a discussion, and you guys said it was signed by
>> >> > everybody,
>> >> > and that you will prefer for us to handle generally whereby everybody
>> >> > will
>> >> > be present. What I would have expected from anyone of you, if you
>> >> > have
>> >> > anything to tell me, is you come and tell me what is in you and we
>> >> > settle
>> >> > it. That is the good faith I thought that people are embodied in this
>> >> > institution.
>> >> > I want to make my last comment: I don’t want any of you sitting here,
>> >> > if
>> >> > I
>> >> > were to stand for any office, to cast a vote for me. Anybody who does
>> >> > or
>> >> > signs that document, and you go and cast a vote for me, you are a
>> >> > hypocrite.
>> >> > Even if I die, any of you who signed that document, don’t come there
>> >> > and
>> >> > say
>> >> > anything! Because you don’t believe what I believe, and therefore do
>> >> > your
>> >> > journalistic work. Not that I have any grievance against you, you
>> >> > know
>> >> > that
>> >> > people who consider me as their enemy, when they are in trouble, that
>> >> > is
>> >> > when I stand to put myself that trouble. I will forever work, if I
>> >> > can
>> >> > do
>> >> > anything that you can earn so that you can earn it. The reasons why I
>> >> > am
>> >> > saying this, I want to prove to you that I am not interested in being
>> >> > anybody’s leader. Whether National Assembly, whether President, I am
>> >> > just
>> >> > serving a national duty. So, that is what I want to say.
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Thank you very much uncle Halifa.
>> >> > REACTIONS TO HALIFA SALLAH’S STATEMENT
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: I think everyone of us heard what you said.
>> >> > At this juncture Momodou Sambou wanted to come in, and there was a
>> >> > unanimous
>> >> > agreement that he (Momodou Sambou) should go out from the meeting. He
>> >> > was
>> >> > told that he is interfering, and he was not in fact invited…Halifa
>> >> > Sallah
>> >> > intervened and said to Sambou: “Based on what we want to achieve,
>> >> > just
>> >> > allow
>> >> > us to achieve that”.
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: From what you have said, we all know that formally
>> >> > you
>> >> > may
>> >> > not be the managing editor, but you are part of those people who
>> >> > formed
>> >> > this
>> >> > establishment. We know that Sam Sarr is the managing editor, but for
>> >> > the
>> >> > past two years we all know that you acted as the editor-in-chief.
>> >> > Most
>> >> > of
>> >> > the articles, you have the final say whether the article should be
>> >> > published
>> >> > or not. Sometimes we go to Sam Sarr and  ask that this article has
>> >> > not
>> >> > been
>> >> > published, and Sam Sarr will say: “go to Halifa”. So, all of us
>> >> > believe
>> >> > that
>> >> > you are the editor-in-chief, and you have the final say.
>> >> > At this point, Halifa Sallah came in and said: “Fabakary, don’t make
>> >> > remarks
>> >> > that are derogatory. What I am saying is Sam Sarr is your managing
>> >> > editor.
>> >> > What we do there has nothing to do with you people as employees.
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykahn: Faks, allow him to flow in..
>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Just state the facts as you know them. I am saying
>> >> > that
>> >> > what
>> >> > we do there, you don’t know, and none of you knows! It can be
>> >> > privilege
>> >> > information, but what is important is Sam Sarr is your managing
>> >> > editor.
>> >> > If
>> >> > you want accept in food faith that I am an editorial adviser, I am
>> >> > not
>> >> > the
>> >> > one to see. If you are protesting is your managing editor that you
>> >> > should
>> >> > see. The rest is between us, not between you people. If you have a
>> >> > particular article, and you see that something is not published, that
>> >> > is
>> >> > when you should protest. If you protest, and see that yes want that
>> >> > published, it has to be published. That is your grievances with your
>> >> > managing editor. People have a right to do that in this institution.
>> >> > I
>> >> > have
>> >> > seen many people who came to uncle Sam Sarr and said  that my article
>> >> > has
>> >> > not been published, let it come. Then it is published in the next
>> >> > instance.
>> >> > That relation is there, is a privilege relation. It was not happening
>> >> > in
>> >> > all
>> >> > media houses.
>> >> > In some media houses, if you don’t bribe people, your article will
>> >> > not
>> >> > be
>> >> > published. If you are a woman, if you don’t sleep with a person, ,
>> >> > you
>> >> > don’t
>> >> > get your article published. We know what is happening in many media
>> >> > houses.
>> >> > If Sam Sarr kenw that you are that type of a person, anyway I am sure
>> >> > you
>> >> > will not get any information from him. People are getting privilege
>> >> > information because one believes that this is an open institution,
>> >> > and
>> >> > all
>> >> > of us have the same interest. The day that Sam Sarr know this has
>> >> > become
>> >> > a
>> >> > different institution (…), some even ready for destruction, I am sure
>> >> > Sam
>> >> > Sarr will be a type of managing editor that you people think that he
>> >> > is
>> >> > efficient. For me, I disagree with him tremendously, and if anybody
>> >> > is
>> >> > close
>> >> > there, you will know what I am saying. That all these institutions
>> >> > are
>> >> > managed in such a way, that is what we call laissez-faire.
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: We are not saying that you are interfering with our
>> >> > work.
>> >> > We did not say that. What we said is that political activities,
>> >> > during
>> >> > the
>> >> > political campaign, we all know this place has been turned into a
>> >> > bureau
>> >> > of
>> >> > the United Front. Most of their articles are in the office. We are
>> >> > all
>> >> > politicians; most of us join this institution because of our
>> >> > political
>> >> > interest, and our political affiliation; because of the objectives
>> >> > that
>> >> > we
>> >> > believe, and the ideas of PDOIS. That is why we joined.
>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Stop incriminating the journalists. What I am saying
>> >> > separate, you said separation of powers. I have put a case before
>> >> > you,
>> >> > and I
>> >> > can leave you to say what you want to say. The other that you are
>> >> > mentioning, those are things you should mention among yourselves.
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we said is that Halifa Sallah of PDOIS
>> >> > established
>> >> > the
>> >> > institution.
>> >> > Lamin Sanyang: Point of correction; it is not PDOIS, it is People’s
>> >> > Center.
>> >> >  Fabakary Ceesay: We said both; People’s center and PDOIS.
>> >> > Yaya Bajo came in and attempted to read the petition. Abubacarr
>> >> > Saidykahn
>> >> > reacted, and said that there was an adjusted version of the petition,
>> >> > and
>> >> > further urged Fabakary Ceesay to finish his reaction.
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: What we are saying is that we are not discriminating
>> >> > anybody coming to this place. We like that. People have been coming
>> >> > to
>> >> > this
>> >> > institution before we come here. What we are saying is that
>> >> > activities
>> >> > of
>> >> > political parties are all done here. People come here before they go
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > rallies. Sometimes you will walk into the office, and you will see
>> >> > all
>> >> > kinds
>> >> > of people. As far as Foroyaa is concerned, we don’t have any problem
>> >> > with
>> >> > that. We know that people come to you for counseling, and we also
>> >> > know
>> >> > that
>> >> > Daily Observer is the mouthpiece of the government. This institution
>> >> > is
>> >> > more
>> >> > of a political bureau than a newspaper bureau. APRC supporters do not
>> >> > go
>> >> > to
>> >> > Daily Observer and converge there. This is our concern. You come
>> >> > here;
>> >> > you
>> >> > don’t even have a seat. People entered into rooms until Ousman Sillah
>> >> > have
>> >> > to write a note on a chair to ask people to stop removing chairs from
>> >> > the
>> >> > office. If I am practicing my job, I will do it impartially,
>> >> > separated
>> >> > from
>> >> > politics. If I am into politics, I will be into politics…I will not
>> >> > allow my
>> >> > professional bureau to be turned into a political party. People
>> >> > working
>> >> > under that institution raised that concern. I think you should have
>> >> > take
>> >> > it
>> >> > in good faith as far as democracy is concerned. We all know that
>> >> > halifa
>> >> > Sallah comes to Foroyaa, and thee establishment is formed by him. We
>> >> > cannot
>> >> > distance Halifa Sallah from Foroyaa. Even though you are at People’s
>> >> > center,
>> >> > you did edit our articles. We do not have a problem in that.
>> >> > You see, Hamat Bah comes here; Henry Gomez comes here; all kinds of
>> >> > people
>> >> > with different affiliations come here. We know that Foroyaa is a
>> >> > place
>> >> > where
>> >> > people come and lodge their complains. We are not saying that Halifa
>> >> > Sallah
>> >> > should leave Foroyaa completely. The sacrifice you have taken on
>> >> > behalf
>> >> > of
>> >> > some of us, we know that. You specifically mentioned my name when Sam
>> >> > Sarr,
>> >> > Saidykhan and others were arrested. I was in the court room when
>> >> > Sarata
>> >> > Jabbie was granted bail, but she was taken away. I called Sarata’s
>> >> > family
>> >> > and they told that until 6 am Sarata did not join them. So, if you
>> >> > said
>> >> > that
>> >> > I did not do my investigation correctly, I will disagree. I don’t
>> >> > think
>> >> > any
>> >> > of us have a grievance. There are opinions that are contained in the
>> >> > document.
>> >> > Halifa Sallah: Confine yourself!
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: Article 15 of the petition that is what touches
>> >> > Halifa.
>> >> > Fabakary Ceesay: You said you will take the recommendations as
>> >> > hostility. 99
>> >> > per cent of us here are your own making. For how many years, I have
>> >> > been
>> >> > listening to your lectures. I started reading Foroyaa in 1994 when I
>> >> > was
>> >> > in
>> >> > form 3 in my High School. I started associating myself, and I am
>> >> > because
>> >> > of
>> >> > Foroyaa. I learnt a lot from Foroyaa. You are a man of divergent
>> >> > views.
>> >> > Foroyaa has been established to create a kind of society where people
>> >> > can
>> >> > express themselves freely without fair or favour. We know other
>> >> > people
>> >> > from
>> >> > other media houses the way they talk about their managing editors,
>> >> > the
>> >> > system going on. We stand straight to defend Foroyaa at anywhere.
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan: We have 22 main articles on our petition here,
>> >> > and
>> >> > the
>> >> > only that touches Halifa Sallah  is article 14 which one our main
>> >> > concern. I
>> >> > was very interested that you are only concerned with this one. Just
>> >> > to
>> >> > reiterate what Fabakaray Ceesay said, so many things have been raised
>> >> > before
>> >> > us here. Out of my observation, you were peeved annoyed as to why we
>> >> > should
>> >> > do these recommendations, and putting your name on a lose paper that
>> >> > might
>> >> > fall into any hands as you said. Factually, I can assure that this
>> >> > paper
>> >> > has
>> >> > not gone anywhere. In fact, it is only two copies that we have
>> >> > circulated so
>> >> > far. The only signed copies that were distributed were given to you,
>> >> > and
>> >> > uncle Sam Sarr. To be honest with you, and uncle Halifa there is
>> >> > nobody
>> >> > who
>> >> > sat with us to connive or conspire something against you. In fact,
>> >> > the
>> >> > meeting was held here openly; people were passing in; people were
>> >> > going
>> >> > out.
>> >> > It was one of the concerns deem necessary that we should put it
>> >> > before
>> >> > the
>> >> > management, that is why we put it there! I was thinking that you will
>> >> > tackle
>> >> > this issue with understanding, and not to think that people are going
>> >> > into
>> >> > another stage.
>> >> > During the presidential elections, there were many accusations that
>> >> > were
>> >> > running in and out here, and it is because of the coming of the
>> >> > people
>> >> > into
>> >> > this office. That is why we feel that guiding this office to entirely
>> >> > be
>> >> > a
>> >> > place of journalistic work will allow us or will save us to run away
>> >> > from
>> >> > all those accusations. I have mentioned one of these accusations in
>> >> > one
>> >> > of
>> >> > the meetings at the NADD bureau, and those were people in the party.
>> >> > You
>> >> > know what I mean…
>> >> > Nobody is saying that you are interfering with our journalistic work.
>> >> > According to your own explanation, you’ve made proofs in some of
>> >> > citations
>> >> > that in my case that is a journalistic case. In the case of Sanyang,
>> >> > that is
>> >> > journalistic. In the case of Fabakary Ceesay, that is also
>> >> > journalistic.
>> >> > That shows to me that you are getting into things that you don’t
>> >> > people
>> >> > to
>> >> > see as the managing editor. So, we feel, even if you are not here,
>> >> > you
>> >> > can
>> >> > still be doing that, but not for people to accuse us outside that
>> >> > Foroyaa is
>> >> > mixing politics with journalism. We want to completely defend
>> >> > ourselves,
>> >> > and
>> >> > put this institution to be respected by people so that they will it
>> >> > is
>> >> > purely journalistic. It is only journalistic work that is going in
>> >> > out
>> >> > of
>> >> > this place. This institution is yours; I have known that since before
>> >> > I
>> >> > started working here. In fact, you told me in one of our discussions
>> >> > that
>> >> > you own this institution. But from your attitude uncle Halifa if a
>> >> > new
>> >> > person or a stranger comes here, he or she will not even know that
>> >> > you
>> >> > own
>> >> > this paper. Because you have relegated yourself; you don’t show
>> >> > people
>> >> > that
>> >> > you want property. I can testify. You taught me how to know myself
>> >> > uncle
>> >> > Halifa. Section 25 of the Constitution, I learnt it from you, from
>> >> > your
>> >> > editorials that give us power to petition the President. It is the
>> >> > same
>> >> > thing that we are applying here. We are not petitioning the
>> >> > President.
>> >> > But
>> >> > that section, that is in the Constitution, and you taught me to know,
>> >> > that
>> >> > is what we are doing here. We were thinking that when put this before
>> >> > you,
>> >> > you would have been laughing. In fact, being inspired by our activity
>> >> > that
>> >> > even you are far away from here, you will believe that these people
>> >> > can
>> >> > do
>> >> > something in my absence.
>> >> > If you should say to us that even if you die we should not go there
>> >> > sand
>> >> > say
>> >> > anything. Then that means, you have taken this issue to a level that
>> >> > we
>> >> > never expected. I have never, ever expected that you will say this to
>> >> > us. I
>> >> > was so electrified when you mentioned that.
>> >> > You advised us that journalist must be independent, neutral and must
>> >> > not
>> >> > take side. It is your responsibility to tell us, even if it is an
>> >> > accusation, that what we are saying is not the case. To tell us that
>> >> > it
>> >> > is
>> >> > frivolous conspiring, that was not what we have expected.The only
>> >> > area
>> >> > that
>> >> > concerns you Uncle Halifa is on article 15 of this recommendation,
>> >> > and
>> >> > there
>> >> > is nobody who can clarify this issue for us more than you. Uncle Sam
>> >> > cannot
>> >> > elaborate on this issue and you have succinctly elucidated during
>> >> > your
>> >> > statement that you are not interfering with our work. I think that is
>> >> > the
>> >> > area that you should have drawn the cotton. And among us here no one
>> >> > is
>> >> > interested in conspiring against you whether in public or private.
>> >> > But
>> >> > we
>> >> > cannot also be use like tools by anybody as well.
>> >> > Lamin Sanyang…This meeting is to engage the management about the
>> >> > issue
>> >> > which
>> >> > I feel is very necessary. Like you always said that uncle Halifa is
>> >> > like
>> >> > a
>> >> > conscience to the nation you have been engaging the president and
>> >> > other
>> >> > people. So I feel if we as reporters of Foroyaa should make the same
>> >> > thing
>> >> > why thinking that is hostility or frivolous. I don’t think that is
>> >> > it.
>> >> > This
>> >> > is our opinion and we all have the right to our opinions. About the
>> >> > Tax
>> >> > Commission, I was the one who was at the tax commission. Mr. Fafa
>> >> > Mbye
>> >> > was
>> >> > at the commission and was asked about his tax payments for 2011, and
>> >> > was
>> >> > further told by the state counsel that he has defaulted which he has
>> >> > accepted. So that is why I put that headline that he has defaulted.
>> >> > Pateh Beldeh… I want to start with as Uncle Halifa has said.
>> >> > Definitely
>> >> > we
>> >> > are proud of Halifa and I think each and every one of us is proud of
>> >> > what
>> >> > PDOIS generally not even foroyaa. Foroyaa is an organ of PDOIS. I
>> >> > think
>> >> > we
>> >> > discuss this, we believe in this and most of us know this. We are not
>> >> > saying
>> >> > anybody who is at PDOIS should not be attached to Foroyaa we are not
>> >> > saying
>> >> > that. We are saying anything of political issues should be address at
>> >> > people’s center. Once you are here you are putting on Foroyaa Uniform
>> >> > this
>> >> > we are saying. Once going for political issues you should put on
>> >> > political
>> >> > uniform and then we go to people’s center and address it there. As
>> >> > far
>> >> > as my
>> >> > understanding is concern, I am a journalist and a politician. And I
>> >> > believe
>> >> > that uncle Halifa should be proud of us. Halifa some of us as he said
>> >> > that
>> >> > we were in the dustbin. He has help us to be part of the society then
>> >> > we
>> >> > should be proud of that and then he should never repeat this because
>> >> > he
>> >> > has
>> >> > done it for the sake of Allah and people have recognize his job. The
>> >> > whole
>> >> > world respected Halifa and the whole world respected PDOIS no matter
>> >> > you
>> >> > are
>> >> > from which party in this country. And no matters from which media
>> >> > house,
>> >> > if
>> >> > you meet with a Foroyaa reporter you have to give regard to the
>> >> > person.
>> >> > No
>> >> > matter the challenges we face, we respect the editorial board of
>> >> > Foroyaa
>> >> > but
>> >> > it does not mean that we should not have the sake to complain to them
>> >> > and if
>> >> > that is case then what we learn here is meaningless. Some of us can
>> >> > sit
>> >> > here
>> >> > and look at halifa for the whole day without realizing it. I remember
>> >> > sitting with him while fasting but I cannot even remember that I was
>> >> > fasting
>> >> > just because of the love I have for him. We also come here and
>> >> > encounter
>> >> > lots of difficulties but we are taking it in good faith.
>> >> > Musa Barrow… We describe this as a sanctuary for liberty and a
>> >> > bastion
>> >> > of
>> >> > freedom. So essentially the spirit behind this letter I don’t it
>> >> > meant
>> >> > to
>> >> > offend anyone because as we all know we are all been here working. Is
>> >> > just a
>> >> > suggestion that we are making because so often especially during the
>> >> > campaigns some of my colleagues will complain that the office is
>> >> > washed
>> >> > with
>> >> > so many people using the chairs. So it was out of that concern that
>> >> > this
>> >> > recommendation was made. There is no element of hostility in this.
>> >> > Here
>> >> > we
>> >> > are brothers and sisters and I do think being hostile to one another
>> >> > will
>> >> > not in anyway help our course.
>> >> > Yaya Bajo.. What I want to say with the reaction of Halifa to this
>> >> > particular point. I think you should explain to us the answer of the
>> >> > first
>> >> > question you pose to us in the beginning. But to tell people that you
>> >> > do
>> >> > not
>> >> > want people to vote for you and stuffs like that has taken me by
>> >> > surprise
>> >> > definitely speaking. Because I think you are a leader and you should
>> >> > accept
>> >> > constructive criticism.
>> >> > Mamadou Dem... I think my colleagues have said it all. We don know
>> >> > the
>> >> > person Sam Sarr is answerable to because this is the third time we
>> >> > are
>> >> > having such kind of a meeting and all that use to say is “Yes I will
>> >> > look
>> >> > into it.” This is all he says and at the end of the day nothing will
>> >> > be
>> >> > implemented. We do not who is answerable to.
>> >> > Ania Gaye.. I wan to talk on the political issue. Most of the time
>> >> > you
>> >> > will
>> >> > fine people sitting here and all they discuss is politics which is
>> >> > reducing
>> >> > our character. We cannot do our journalistic work the way we should
>> >> > it.
>> >> > They
>> >> > will all converge here talking about politics and nothing else and I
>> >> > feel
>> >> > that is not going to secure us as journalist and some of them could
>> >> > be
>> >> > NIAs.
>> >> > Lamin Njie/ Accountant…For me my concern is that you people
>> >> > misunderstood
>> >> > uncle halifa. In any society there must be a chain work and
>> >> > commandments. If
>> >> > you have any problem you go the editors first and to the managing
>> >> > editor
>> >> > and
>> >> > from the managing editor to uncle halifa he should be the last person
>> >> > you
>> >> > should see. If these people cannot solve your problem, among yourself
>> >> > you
>> >> > select one person to go to them. For me I am very much disappointed.
>> >> > There
>> >> > should be a chain of command and you don’t have to by past your boss.
>> >> > You
>> >> > know writing is very dangerous, you don’t know that?  At this
>> >> > juncture
>> >> > the
>> >> > strikers could not control laughing and Mr. Sallah intervenes by
>> >> > saying
>> >> > “You
>> >> > guys are not serious he is talking and you are laughing.” The
>> >> > accountant..
>> >> > There are lots of problems happening here without you people knowing
>> >> > it.
>> >> > Sulayman Bah… We exhausted all options before calling this meeting by
>> >> > writing to the management it self. You see, Uncle Sam would agree but
>> >> > at
>> >> > the
>> >> > end of the day he will do nothing absolutely. i some time fine it
>> >> > difficult
>> >> > to write my article and when I told uncle Sam he will show me
>> >> > disinterest.
>> >> > When the petition was served the way you approach me uncle halifa I
>> >> > would
>> >> > describe that as an attack because the whole thing is jointly written
>> >> > and
>> >> > every reporter agree to it. You went to the point saying that you
>> >> > will
>> >> > not
>> >> > tolerate none science. And you always talk about democracy and
>> >> > democracy
>> >> > is
>> >> > all about divergent views and people must express their opinions and
>> >> > there
>> >> > is no where were people will have the same opinions on matters.
>> >> > Awa Bah… The difficulty we faced outside is that the moments you
>> >> > introduce
>> >> > yourself as a Foroyaa reporter people see you as an opposition
>> >> > journalist
>> >> > directly linked with politics. This is what is affecting us as
>> >> > journalist of
>> >> > this paper. Some people fine it difficult to send their kids to come
>> >> > to
>> >> > Fororyaa just because of the too much political ideology mixed with
>> >> > journalism.  This is not done out of anger. That is what I have to
>> >> > say.
>> >> > Sarjo Camara… Uncle Halifa, I think this move is a very progressive
>> >> > move
>> >> > to
>> >> > me.
>> >> > And if at all it was a reactionary move I think it would have not
>> >> > come
>> >> > in
>> >> > this way. You are a roll model to all of us and the reason is to
>> >> > bring a
>> >> > breach between our work and politics. This is the only point we feel
>> >> > you
>> >> > should come in and clarify. We have been calling meetings in your
>> >> > absence
>> >> > and is the same thing we discuss. You know people better than all of
>> >> > us
>> >> > and
>> >> > you can even read the mines of others.  None of have the interest of
>> >> > living
>> >> > this office for another place. I personally I know what foroyaa did
>> >> > for
>> >> > me
>> >> > so I will not exchange foroyaa for any other institution. Please,
>> >> > take
>> >> > every
>> >> > thing in good faith and give us your own opinion the way we should
>> >> > work
>> >> > positively to achieve our aims and objectives of this organization.
>> >> > Halifa Sallah.. Thank you very much.
>> >> > Mamadou Sambou… Wanted to come in to say something but unfortunately
>> >> > was
>> >> > not
>> >> > allowed by the strikers to utter a word and was further by Halifa to
>> >> > calm
>> >> > down.
>> >> > Reporters’ Recommendation
>> >> > 1. General meeting for staff and other office sections on regular
>> >> > basis.
>> >> > 2.  Inconsistency with food provision.
>> >> > 3. Salary increment: increment for payment for articles. Provision of
>> >> > books,
>> >> > pens, and other working materials.
>> >> > 3. Provision of standard and workable computers.
>> >> > 4. Refurbishion of the reporters’ place of work.
>> >> > 5. Increment of salary status of freelance journalists according to
>> >> > the
>> >> > Gambia Press Union’s recommendations.
>> >> > 6. Late payment of salaries.
>> >> > 8. Reaching a contract agreement before commencement of work.
>> >> > 9. Handing of appointment letters including employment packages i.e.:
>> >> > entitlement. Social security membership cards and payment of social
>> >> > security
>> >> > dues.
>> >> > 10. Adjustment of press cards. Eg the Gambia before institution name
>> >> > and
>> >> > emboldening of the ‘Foroyaa’ name.
>> >> > 11. Approval of fares and late coming of approving editors.
>> >> > 12. Transport allowances to reporters.
>> >> > 13. Quality of editing of the articles with presentable but
>> >> > captivating
>> >> > captions
>> >> > 14. We need sub-editors on courts, sports and other sectors: news
>> >> > editors
>> >> > and proof-readers from our midst.
>> >> > 15. We recommend that Halifa Sallah of people’s Center move to the
>> >> > NADD
>> >> > office to create enough room for reporters. The besieging of the
>> >> > office
>> >> > premises by politicians is of a great concern. We recommend that
>> >> > there
>> >> > be a
>> >> > clear separation of politics from journalism.
>> >> > 16. We have noticed that food is not provided since the appointed
>> >> > cook
>> >> > has
>> >> > been bed-ridden by an ailment and we recommend that a substitute cook
>> >> > be
>> >> > hired in case such circumstance occurs.
>> >> > 17. We call for an immediate but speedy staffing of reporters who
>> >> > have
>> >> > served for more than two years.
>> >> > 18. We recommend that reporters be upgraded PROFESSIONALLY.
>> >> > 19. Increment of Columns pay/ informing of staff over issues of delay
>> >> > payment of salaries IF there is any such problem. We demand reporters
>> >> > be
>> >> > giving reasonable explanation supposedly if the management is facing
>> >> > financial hiccups.
>> >> > 20. We are calling for a general meeting with the entire management
>> >> > by
>> >> > FRIDAY 16th, after the Friday prayers.
>> >> > 21. The printing of the newspapers ranging from pictures, should be
>> >> > given
>> >> > due consideration.
>> >> > 22. Since the paper is the oldest in the country, we recommend that
>> >> > it
>> >> > comes
>> >> > on a daily basis.
>> >> > IF THESE ABOVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT GIVEN DUE AND URGENT
>> >> > CONSIDERATION BY
>> >> > 15th JANUARY 2012, WE WILL EMBARK ON A SIT-DOWN STRIKE.
>> >> > Sign:
>> >> > Abubacarr Saidykhan……………………………………
>> >> > Sulayman Bah……………………………..
>> >> > Fabakary B. Ceesay………………………………………..
>> >> > Musa Barrow
>> >> > Pateh Baldeh……………………………………………….
>> >> > Mamadou Dem…………………………………………………
>> >> > Sarjo Camara ……………………………………………..
>> >> > Lamin Sanyang …………………………………………
>> >> > Annia Gaye……………………………………………
>> >> > Amie Sanneh…………………………………..
>> >> > Kebba Camara …………………………..
>> >> > Awa B Bah ………………………………….
>> >> > Abdoulie Dibba …………………………….
>> >> > Madiba Singhateh ……………………….
>> >> > Mariama Ceesay………………………
>> >> > Lamin Fatty…………………………..
>> >> > Yaya Bajo……………………………..
>> >> >
>> >> >
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