Gassa,
if one is truely sincere, then one has to not only praise what is good, but
one has to speak up against what is evil and wrong within our leadership.
That is the only way we can have a situation that is excellent.
You wrote:
Another thing I find baffling also is the view held by some that, as long
as this government does not own up to all that it has done wrong and undo
them, they might as well not exist.
That is an idiotic statement and view. What i find baffiling is that anyone
who dares to ctiricize the government for not accepting responsibility for
the human rights abuses that they have engaged in, and some of which are
ongoing is immediately labelled as someone who refuses to asknowledge that
there are some improvements that have been made. Where does that logic come
from? I think the problem with Africa is that we have too may people with
tunnel vision like you. You have to praise all the time and never criticize
anything.
You say you were outraged because you thought the Senegalese authorities
would not do the right thing in the face of this tragedy. You have many
things right there in Gmbia that are quite outrageous even though there is
also progress. If those outrageous things are not talked about and we as
people insist that they be done away with, we will not have made any
significant progress in the filed of human rights, and one cannot propose to
be doing what is good forthe people if their rights are being abused even as
the other things are being done. The whole affair then becomes contradictary.
It is the people that are the reason for having a leadership, so if their
every right is not protected, it defeats the entire purpose does it not?
Jabou Joh
In a message dated 10/2/2002 2:47:27 PM , [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Jabou,
>
> Even though I agree with most of what you've written, let me clarify that I
> have never defended any ill by this government. Instead what I have done
> mostly is to defend the good they do. There are some things that I do not
> agree with them and I have made that abundantly clear on this list. Some of
> you, on the other hand, cannot bring yourselves to accept that whilst they
> have made some blunders, they have also made some progress in other areas.
> Another thing I find baffling also is the view held by some that, as long
> as this government does not own up to all that it has done wrong and undo
> them, they might as well not exist. I do not subscribe to such a mindset.
>
> Finally, the only reference that I have about governance, rule of law,
> human rights, development, etc., etc., is that of the first republic. As
> such, I always make my comparisons between the first and second republics
> in their totality and choose the one I prefer, which is the second
> republic. I am quite happy with the progress being made in almost all
> fronts.
>
> Have a good day, Gassa.
>
>
> > Gassa,
> >
> > Yes indeed, some of the ministers have resigned, and what a nhonourable
> > thing for them to do. You are rignt, things like that do not often
> > happen in Africa, and the government you are constantly defending being
> > a typical example of people who will not od the right thing when it is
> > required. It takes excellence of character and a deep sense of justice.
> > I am very surprised that you realize that this does not happen everyday
> > in Africa. How do you reconcile that opinion of yours and your outrage
> > that teh right thing may not be done with your daily defense of the
> > APRC regime when some of them did order the murder in cold blood of our
> > kids who were merely exercising their rights to protest? No one has
> > stepped forward to take the
> > responsibility, and no one resigned in the face of that tragedy and no
> > one has made any attempts to bring justice to those whose loved ones
> > were killed or maimed for life. Yet, you were outraged because the
> > Senegalese may not do the right thing.
> > Where was your outrage when that atrocity that someone within your
> > beloved regime has yet to own happened? Not to worry, the face lift on
> > the infrastructure will heal that i guess.
> > I guess it is just a case of selective moralization on your part.
> >
> > Well, the Senegalese authorities shown their integrity and I wish we
> > could expect the same of the government of Yaya Jammeh whom you extoll
> > daily.
> >
> > As for having relatives in Senegal, I am sure you must know that you
> > are not the only Gambian who has relatives in Senegal. You will be
> > surprised what deep roots some of us have in Senegal.
> >
> > If you apply the analysis, logic and sense of responsibility you want
> > to see applied by the Senegalese authorities to the APRC regime you
> > defend daily, then I will know you are sincere in the things you say
> > Gassa. The Senegalese authorities have shown that they are indeed
> > people of integrity with a sense of justice and excellence of
> > character. I hope all of us can come to that place in Africa.
> >
> > Jabou Joh
> >
> > n a message dated 10/2/2002 11:35:39 AM , [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> >> Jabou,
> >>
> >> You are barking at the wrong tree here. Next time if you ask a
> >> question, please wait for the answer rather than proposing one. The
> >> piece I wrote, I wrote full of emotion and anger, as it is a tragedy
> >> that could have been avoided. For your information, as I am writing
> >> this, two senegalese ministers have already resigned, including one of
> >> the three that I hold personally responsible for the disaster, the
> >> Senegalese transport minister. If you must know, one of my colleagues,
> >> a lady cleaner, lost her eldest daughter, son inlaw and their only two
> >> children. She was 25.
> >>
> >> Secondly, if must know, I have more Senegalese relatives than Gambian
> >> relatives even though I am Gambian through and through; and would die
> >> Gambian. I wish no harm to anybody, including those who hate me.
> >>
> >> Now to answer your question as what I pray to be wrong about, I had
> >> wished that your assertion that because the Senegalese authorities had
> >> accepted responsibility for the disaster, they would follow it up with
> >> appropriate measures, such as prosecuting those who neglegently caused
> >> this tragedy. This, I am sure you would agree with me, does not happen
> >> often in Africa. Most of our leaders in Africa, do not have the
> >> culture of resigning honourably. Some of our leaders do not do the
> >> right thing and resign if something goes wrong. It was because of that
> >> I said I pray that I am wrong in that the Senegalese authorities would
> >> be different. Thank God, at least two ministers have seen it fit to
> >> resign, thus earning my respect.
> >>
> >> Even though, I am still angry with Abdoulie Waade for having tacitly
> >> ENCOURAGED (yes ENCOURAGED) the Senegalese transport union to disrupt
> >> inter-
> >> state travel between the countries, despite all our existing
> >> agreements and closeness, I have developed some more respect for him
> >> for only accepting full responsibility, but for actually saying on TV
> >> that those found culpable after an inquiry would be punished.
> >>
> >> Your following assertion does not hold water, as I clearly stated that
> >> the Senegalese authorities should have learnt for our recent tragedy.
> >> No sane Senegambian can ever wish ill of a Senegalese or a Gambian
> >>
> >> Jabou wrote:
> >>
> >> "That is tantamount to accusing them of conspiracy to kill these
> >> people deliberately and that they will not do anything to prevent
> >> such a disaster in the future."
> >>
> >> NO! I AM SUGGESTING NO SUCH THING!!!!
> >>
> >> Have a good day, Gassa
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> see, yet small enough to solve (Mike Leavitt)
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