Sanusi, I agree with you.  The fact that the APRC needs just one vote (real 
or imagined) means that rigging is a must for them.  Even with unity, we are 
going to have a rough ride and I am not sure Gambians are willing to fight 
for their rights when that happens.  Individually, it is a very long short 
and that will allow Yaya to rig it the better.  Are Gambians ready to vote 
their conscience with a divided opposition?  Only time will tell, but the 
signals are not good.

As to a future collaboration, I say it matters most to collaborate to remove 
Yaya now, rather than to collaborate for the NA elections.  Yaya is the one 
murdering folks, the one arresting folks, manipulating our legal system, and 
the one stealing from us.  Thus, if we do not come together and get rid of 
him, we are putting the cart before the horse.  Trust me, if there is no 
unity now, you can forget any such thing for the NA elections.

In a three way race kinder and gentler will be suicidal for the opposition.  
How can NADD/UDP differentiate itself from the other, without addressing the 
short comings of the other, and vise versa?  They have to tell the voters 
what they can do that the other cannot, so, none cannot avoid getting wet if 
they want to cross the river on foot.  You throw in the local supporters and 
their task is much more difficult.  At the end of the day, our goal should 
be to get rid of Yaya and that is the only energy I have left in my tank for 
now.  Lord knows I wished we were not in this crossroad.  Good luck to the 
opposition.

Chi Jaama

Joe


>From: Sanusi Owens <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list              
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: RESubject: Re: NADD RESPONSE TO UDP/NRP ALLIANCE/joe
>Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:07:17 +0100
>
>Joe
>
>   You wrote:
>
>   "If unity is not possible, we got to move on and make hay while the sun 
>shines."
>
>   Indeed! Too much bickering about NADD vs UDP/NRP is giving the wrong 
>signal. I am sure you will jubilate if UDP/NRP Alliance or NADD wins the 
>Presidential Election. Don't forget that the winner needs only a single 
>majority to capture the Presidency and it is still possible for either 
>UDP/NRP ALLIANCE or NADD to win the Presidency.
>
>   We need to minimise our criticisms of the various Opposition Parties and 
>focus on the arch rival-President Jammeh and the APRC.  Whilst NADD and 
>UDP/ALLIANCE can't agree about having a Single Candidate for the 
>Presidential Election, the doors for future negotiations should not be 
>closed because both parties will have to co-operate when contesting for the 
>Parliamentary Elections scheduled to take place in December. If too much 
>bad blood is littered between NADD and the UDP/NRP Alliance, then hopes of 
>having compromise Candidates for the next parliamentary elections are 
>unlikely.
>
>   Regards
>
>   Sanusi
>
>
>
>Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>   Ndey, my post was just to answer to Sidibeh's question why the talks are 
>now
>in the open as opposed to privately. I have long focused on helping NADD,
>knowing that after three years of negotiations we were not going anywhere.
>Currently, who is negotiating between the two, none. Thus, we have to focus
>on supporting our conscience because time is not waiting for us. Trust me,
>I changed my focus and energy moons ago. Yes, those that wish to continue
>to negotiate are Gambians and are free to continue, that is if any is
>currently engaged in such. If unity is not possible, we got to move on and
>make hay while the sun shines.
>
>Chi Jaama
>
>Joe
>
>
> >From: Ndey Jobarteh
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: RESubject: Re: NADD RESPONSE TO UDP/NRP ALLIANCE/joe
> >Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:10:25 +0000
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >Reading from Saihou response to Sidibeh's interventions and yours it
> >worry's me because I strongly believe that this is not a game, it is not
> >about who did what first, it is not about NADD and UNDP/NRP. The fight is
> >about getting rid of the AFPRC regime and this should be our focus no
> >matter what block we are. I have lots of issues with UDP/NRP but I 
>believe
> >our focus and energy now is to assist the masses at home to make the 
>right
> >decision. If we want to spend all our time and energy trashing issues
> >between the two we won't get anywhere.
> >
> >Those of us who are not good at negotiating should just leave it to those
> >who can. And we can move on to strategic and meaningful discussions as to
> >how to get rid of Jammeh and make Gambia a home for all. I don't know 
>about
> >the rest of you but for me what happens in Gambia affects me directly not
> >even indirectly and therefore I see the need to be focus and strategic in
> >this difficult times.
> >
> >We should all concentrate our energies in getting our friends and family 
>to
> >vote for NADD whiles negotiations are going on. I believe each and every
> >Gambian should make it their duty to get rid of this tyranny in the
> >country. The slogan should be AFPRC must go and it should be written in 
>all
> >our minds, houses and prayers.
> >
> >I hope this will open a new chapter of dialogue and fruitful discussions
> >towards the September elections because the campaign has started. A lot 
>of
> >Gambians reads the L and I believe is can contribute strongly to the down
> >fall of Jammeh if it is used properly
> >The Struggle Continues!!!
> >Ndey Jobarteh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Joe Sambou Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: RESubject: Re: NADD
> >>RESPONSE TO UDP/NRP ALLIANCE (testing) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:21:55
> >>+0000
> >>
> >>Ndey and Sidebeh, the negotiations were forced to be public because of 
>the
> >>games that were being played for the past three years. When someone
> >>continuously agrees to one thing in private only to go to their 
>supporters
> >>and say something entirely different, then the way you nip it at the bud
> >>is to bring out what was said by both parties, so the public can judge 
>for
> >>themselves. This way, what ever one said will be heard by all and so, 
>one
> >>cannot manipulate the situation anymore. Clearly, Gambians know who is
> >>being manipulative and can see what type of Gambia each is fighting for.
> >>All hands must be on deck and Gambians will catch any slight of hand in
> >>this setting.
> >>
> >>Chi Jaama
> >>
> >>Joe
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: Ndey Jobarteh Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing 
>list
> >>>
> >>>To: [log in to unmask] Subject: RESubject: Re: NADD RESPONSE 
>TO
> >>>UDP/NRP ALLIANCE (testing) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:10:55 +0000
> >>>
> >>>Sidibeh,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I completely agree with you but since it has found its way here, I
> >>>guess these sentences needs to be trashed and put in its proper 
>context.
> >>>
> >>> In the letter "I am to convey to you that the NADD Executive has
> >>>rejected your proposal to expand the UDP/NRP informal Alliance to 
>include
> >>>NADD. In the same vein the proposal for the flag bearer not to have a 
>one
> >>>term limit is also rejected. "
> >>>
> >>> If UDP/NRP wants genuine alliance I believe they will have to revisit
> >>>the NADD MOU and renegotiate any provision they consider unacceptable 
>as
> >>>stated clearly in this letter. There no need to pretend any more we 
>have
> >>>to face the hard fact that there is a high chance that the coalition
> >>>under UDP, NRP, NDAM and PDOIs will never take place so we have to cut
> >>>our losses and rally around NADD. Those who still believe in negations 
>to
> >>>bring the parties together can still go on but I for one think that it 
>is
> >>>better to dedicate ones energy in strategies to bring Jammeh down come
> >>>next election.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In the letter" Finally, the proposal for a new Alliance to concentrate 
>on
> >>>changing the regime and then discuss all programs after the change has
> >>>occurred is also rejected."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The above proposal is completely unacceptable for any serious minded
> >>>person or party. How can parties agreed to come together and then later
> >>>discuss their programs. I for one will never vote for such an alliance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In the letter: "This is why we have suggested for UDP/NRP to revisit
> >>>the NADD MOU and renegotiate any provision they consider unacceptable.
> >>>The position of flag bearer has always been negotiable since the NADD
> >>>flag bearer had declared that he is willing to step down once a person
> >>>who can best serve as a unifying factor is found."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I believe that UDP/NRP is given the green light and they should really
> >>>think through this and come out with a better solution. Until now they
> >>>have not come out concrete issues that need to be dealt with. Now that
> >>>the door is open for them to revisit the MOU and renegotiate, I 
>strongly
> >>>believe that they should take this opportunity if they are genuinely in
> >>>for this alliance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Struggle Continues!!
> >>>
> >>> Ndey Jobarteh
> >>>
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