Mr. Manneh, point taken. It is just human nature that sometimes we become a
bit emotional about things. Am sorry.
Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Lamin Manneh PF <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:16:54 -0700
>
>Mr. Jobe, to make your debates interesting, i would urged you to be
>objective in your analysis. I always admire intelligent, decent, >honest
>and
>unambiguous criticisms. You don't have to go into the family history of
>Manneh, Touray and Bensouda to denounce my arguments-Just tell us the
> >facts
>if you know.
>It is absolutely OK for you to support any political party-who cares!
>Be civil.
>Lamin PF Manneh
>
>
>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
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><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:39:26 -0000
>
>What a load of bull**** from Lamin Manneh. Lamin, analysis of the reasons
>why Hon. Almamy Touray won in Niani is total bull. You know it, I know it
>and so does most right thinking Gambians. Any body or party that hopes to
>exploit the ethnic or religious card to be elected to office will not only
>loose, but will be humiliated.
>
>For the benifit of others, I'll throw more light into why Lamin Manneh's
>analysis is rubbish. Like I said earlier, to say that tribalism influenced
>the outcome of the last elections is absolute rubbish. Look at the
>background of the various candidates.
>
>Mr. Almamy Touray comes from a very respectable family who initially hailed
>from Kayai village. His father was one time a deputy imam of Kuntaur wharf
>Town. Mr. Manneh hails from Mackah Saderr about 5 Km from Kuntaur. Mackah
>Saderr was named after Saderr Manneh, his father who was Chief of Niani
>district until he retired of old age giving way to the election of the late
>Dodou Ndow. The NRP candidate, Boury Jawo hails from Kuntaur Fulla Kunda
>and
>was the son of the late Noperry Jawo a renown and respectable islamic
>scholar and elder.
>
>Until his retirement due to ill health, Mr. Koita Cham represented Niani
>district for the best part of post independence Gambia. The Cham family
>originally hailed from Chamen, Nianija. The present upper Fuladu NAM, Mr.
>Churchill Falai Baldeh was a ward of the late Koita Cham. Incidentally,
>Niani district has never elected a wollof to represent them in parliament.
>Therefore Lamin Manneh's assertion that tribal affiliation should be
>considered when seeking the mandate of our peoples for representation is
>not
>only bull, but a very backward way of looking at things this day and age.
>
>To say that Talib Bensouda was unpopular in Niani is also absolute rubbish.
>Talib Bensouda, whose ancestors originally hailed from Morroco was the son
>of one of Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara's sisters. He was a successful
>businessman who went into politics after the retirement of the late Koita
>Cham. He left politics of his own volition, when he was dropped from being
>a
>parliamentary secretary under Sir Dawda and was employed by Bimex. Right
>now
>he lives in the US with his family.
>
>I know all the above people intimately as I grew among them. Your posting
>in
>Janjanburray for a brief spell does not in any way qualify you to make such
>derogratory statements. How dare you suggest that the people of Niani vote
>on tribal lines? Do you know that Hon. Almamy Touray was once returned to
>parliament unopposed? It is very important that people take their time to
>find out about things that they don't know rather than just speaking for
>the
>sake of speaking. George Washington once said that "it is better to keep
>quite and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
>
>When I first posted the resignation of Hon. Almay Touray, it was quickly
>followed by another from Ebrima Ceesay allegedly from one of his sources.
>What that source failed to say was that I posted the news as soon as it was
>broadcast on GRTS. It was already known throughout the Gambia by the time I
>posted that information. The impression given by the counter post was that
>it was breaking news. It was not. It is very interesting reading other
>papers or to listen to any of our local radios stations to get the facts.
>If
>the allegations levelled against Hon. Almay Touray are the sole reasons for
>the UDP to "expel him" from the party, is the timing right? What good will
>it do to the party coming soon after the party suffered a most humiliating
>defeat in the recent bye-elections? People should ponder over this rather
>than speculating about Almamy's expulsion or resignation from the UDP.
>
>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>
>To those wondering what my next move is, you don't have to wait long.
>Kujabi, Jeng, Dampha, Hamjatta, Sanusi, Barrow, Saul, Mboge, I'll get back
>to you very very soon. I am a bit busy these days and Colly's recent post
>really upset me. I could not, however resist the temptation to respond to
>Mr. Manneh's nonsence.
>
>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Lamin Manneh PF <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:09:01 -0700
>>
>>Mr. Conteh, let me add my little thoughts on this issue. Hon. Touray >was
>>sitting on a hot UDP chair in parliament. His victory in the last
>> >National
>>Assembly Election was mainly due to the fact that APRC failed to >select
>>the
>>candidate of people's choice. The majority of Nianinkas were in for one
>>Sainey Manneh whose candidature was rejected by the APRC National
>> >Committee.
>>Over 3000 supporters of Mr. Manneh in that district change their
>> >allegiance
>>from APRC and voted for Hon. Touray. This was the same way he came to
>>parliament in 1992 when PPP selected Talip Bensouda who was widely
>> >unpopular
>>in Niani.
>>Please allow me for the sake of political analysis only to talk about
>> >tribal
>>representation in Niani, how it help Hon. Touray to victory and the >dire
>>consequences it have on his next election campaign. First here are the
>>polling stations of last NAM election in Niani.
>>1. Nyaga Bantang mainly Wollof
>>2. Gingori Mustapha Fullas & Wollof
>>3. Kass Wollof maily Wollof
>>4. Jukul Ndawen Mainly wollof
>>5. Dinkirai Fulla, wollof
>>6. Wassu mandinka, fulla
>>7. Kuntaur mixed but more mandinka
>>8. Sukuta mainly mandinka
>>9. Kayai mainly mandinka
>>10. Kataba Alh. Omar Fulla and Wollof
>>11. M'bayen Wollof mainly wollof
>>It is therefore a blunt fact that for anybody to win in Niani, the >person
>>MUST have the Wollof majority(the same is true fot upper fulladu >west).
>>You
>>don't have to campaign on tribal line but you need to addresss specific
>>needs of these people and must deploy tactics that will shift their
>>confidence and support to your party. What really happened in Niani >last
>>NAM
>>election was that this Wollof majority was grossly dissappointed with
>> >APRC
>>when they rejected Mr. Manneh. Two days after nominations in >Janjanbureh,
>>a
>>delegation of five prominent people with 3500 voter's cards and D5000
>> >cash,
>>stormed my office to nominate Mr. Manneh as Independent candidate. I
>>rejected the application because nominations were closed at that time.
>> >After
>>an intensive conversation on the election degree, these ardent APRC
>>supporters left with an ire in their eyes but strong in principle. >Their
>>last word to me was "we will do to Jammeh, what we did to Jawara", >which
>>implies voting for Almamo or UDP. The five reps. seemed to like Hon.
>> >Touray
>>but not UDP as a party. Hon. Touray eventually won because he got over
>> >half
>>of the divided wollof votes and almost entirely the whole of Kuntaur,
>> >Kayai
>>and Sukuta areas.
>>To wrap up, UDP should find out why they are not getting support in
>> >certain
>>communities like Niani and help candidates who faces potential defeats >in
>>their districts(like Hon. Touray) with appropiate campaign strategies. >In
>>fact they should come out with a comprehensive campaign plan for each
>>district as soon as possible. People like Wa Juwara and Jallow, both
>> >former
>>commisioners, could be very useful in that exercise. The way you handle
>>Kombokas is different from Badibonkas and the same is true throughout >the
>>country. We don't have to discuss that on this forum, but any section >in
>>The Gambia has some interesting unique qualities.
>>Cheers
>>PF Manneh
>>NOTE: Mr. Dampha and others, i am not very good in replying people's
>>comments on postings due to busy schedules. I always appreciate your
>>brilliant comments on the L. Will send you a private mail soon.
>>
>>From: MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:22:03 -0400
>>
>>Mr. Owens:
>>
>>It is interesting that we are in principle as a
>>united front against the dictator. Whether we
>>decide to critic issues in their entity, we have
>>reasons to be critical of the dictatorship.
>>
>>It is disturbing to hear Hon. Touray's expulsion
>>from Kebba Jobe, though he Kebba said the opposite
>>of the truth. It will serve members of the L if
>>UDP and NRP can have their propaganda secretaries
>>listed on the L so that we can engage them in
>>substantive debates. I commend Brother Halifa Sallah
>>for coming forthwith with his analysis on PDOIS's
>>position.
>>
>>My position on Hon. Touray's case has not changed.
>>I believe that the UDP has a moral obligation to
>>tell us what really happened rather than reading
>>the trend of events from third parties.
>>
>>As we move in a threshold, we as an opposition must
>>clearly define our purpose and seek unity. We should
>>not be in any position to create disarray. I believe
>>that the UDP leadership acted improperly in expelling
>>Hon. Almamy Touray.
>>
>>Naphiyo,
>>
>>Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>>
>>------Original Message------
>>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sanusi=20Owens?= <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Sent: May 8, 2001 11:24:57 AM GMT
>>Subject: Re: UDP EXPELS HON. ALMAMY TOURAY/INDEPENDENT
>>
>>
>>Comrade Conteh
>>
>>This was a brilliant point. However, I wonder whether
>>it is sensible for UDP to have someone like Touray in
>>their camp.
>>
>>I have carefully followed the activities of Mr Touray
>>as NAM of the UDP. At no time have I heard him made
>>any significant contribution to the Adjournment
>>debates.
>>In addition, I have heard no contribution from Mr
>>Touray on the following motions sponsored by the UDP;
>>
>>The Crude Oil Saga,
>>
>>The motion to defeat the Government's amendment to the
>>Indemnity Act.
>>
>>Comrade Conteh,
>>
>>Lets face it Almamy Touray's expulsion from the party
>>is a blessing in disguise. This man already has a
>>criminal record and it would be difficult for him to
>>defend his record as an NAM of UDP in the next
>>parliamentary elections. I think UDP should have
>>expelled Mr Touray after his release from Beligian
>>jails. It was an embarrassment to the party, but thank
>>God the matter has now been settled. According to
>>reliable sources, Mr Touray is seen as a possible
>>defector to the APRC. If this is proven to be true
>>then surely they have taken a wise measure; EXPEL HIM
>>BEFORE HE EMBARRASSES THE PARTY.
>>
>>Having said so, I agree with you that UDP should have
>>waited until after the dissolution of parliament, but
>>why should they tolerate someone who lacked the
>>political courage to defend the party's interests in
>>parliament?
>>
>>Finally, Mr Touray represents a constituency which
>>were affected by the April 10/11 Students Massacre. If
>>Mr Touray could abstain from voting on the Indemnity
>>Act then surely we wonder why he should continue
>>representing the people of Barrajally,who lost their
>>kids in that brutal act by security forces of the
>>APRC. What message does it give to the Gambian
>>majority yearning for justice? The NAM who should have
>>been at the forefront decides to keep silent about the
>>whole issue. In all fairness, UDP has set its
>>standards and we should commend them, other parties
>>should take note that a principles must never be
>>compromised for individual interests or else political
>>freedom from APRC will be a myth.
>>
>>I understand that it was Kebba Jobe who first sent us
>>this information entitled a Terrible blow to UDP.
>>There again we saw our University Graduate in
>>Engineering trying to act as a passive supporter of
>>the APRC Government. One fundamental blunder committed
>>by Mr Jobe was to regard Touray's "resignation" from
>>the party as a terrible blow to the party. What's
>>wrong with this man. I have read all his articles, but
>>this one was the worst. We all know what is a terrible
>>blow to a political party. Did he read Mr Tamsir
>>Jallow's comments on Musa Suso's conviction. Did
>>Tamsir Jallow not say that Musa Suso's conviction was
>>a terrible blow for the ruling APRC? If Mr Jobe was
>>honest with the situation, we would heard his views on
>>this case. Here the party in power got humiliated and
>>they had to recover by making Touray's expulsion a big
>>issue. It is my view that Mr Jobe must have been
>>acting on orders from above to disseminate news that
>>Touray has resigned from the party in the hope of
>>diverting attention from the Musa Suso's conviction.
>>They have used this tactic before, take for instance
>>the April Massacre. At a time when people were
>>mourning the death of those youths murdered by the
>>security forces, APRC decides to announce that Almamy
>>Touray is serving a prison sentence in Beligium.In
>>fact this news was always kept under the carpet and
>>their decison to make it an issue was all political.
>>The whole ploy by APRC was for people to focus on
>>Touray's imprisonment and forget about the APRIL
>>Massacre.
>>
>>With this in mind, the APRC have suffered a terrible
>>blow from last week's sentencing of Musa Suso's
>>conviction for drug trafficking. If APRC had the guts,
>>they would have suspended Musa Suso from the party,
>>but instead even gave him an award some two weeks ago.
>>I think that award was to indicate that he will be the
>>First Member of the National Assembly to be convicted
>>in the Gambian Law Courts.Well Done Musa Suso for
>>being Mile 2 Prison's VIP- very important person or
>>vagabonds in power.
>>
>>I await your response.
>>
>>Have a wonderful day
>>
>>Sanusi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--- MLJ Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >
>>Pah:
>> >
>> > I read with interest your posted message on
>> > Hon. Almamy Touray's expulsion from UDP. You
>> > indicated that one of the reasons was that
>> > Hon. Touray did not follow party rules of
>> > conduct and also was silent during the passage
>> > of the last controversial bill in the legislature.
>> > You further stated that he was working with the
>> > enemy forces against the interest of UDP.
>> >
>> > I am really concern about the subjective
>> > interpretation by the UDP leadership in this
>> > situation. Hon. Touray was elected to represent
>> > the people of Niani. His duty as a member of the
>> > legislature is to interpret legislative issues
>> > objectively and if he fails to do sure, he has
>> > breached a contract with his constituency.
>> >
>> > I am further concern that with the present state
>> > of affairs in our country, the opposition should
>> > be engaging in building a family tree rather than
>> > cutting it down. I do not condone Hon. Touray's
>> > behavior, but I am concern with the lack of
>> > independence that elected members must exhibit
>> > during parliamentary proceedings. No elected
>> > representative should robber stamp any initiative
>> > endorsed by his or her political party. As we
>> > reach a finer moment in our struggle, we need to
>> > embrace each other rather than destroy the
>> > bridge building initiative that the opposition
>> > started.
>> >
>> > In this analysis, I condemn the leadership of UDP
>> > for expelling Hon. Almamy Touray. Hon. Touray has
>> > all the rights to be a renegade member of The
>> > Gambian legislature. I have not heard from the
>> > speaker or the clerk of the legislature of any
>> > violations committed by Hon. Touray. If it is
>> > true that the gentleman did not violate any
>> > parliamentary proceeding, then the UDP leadership
>> > acted unwisely to expel Hon. Almamy Touray. It
>> > seems that the UDP leadership is enabling a void
>> > in inflicting a serious wound to the image of its
>> > party. Though I am a passive supporter of UDP, I
>> > have a duty to disagree in principle in expelling
>> > a member of The Gambian legislature from an
>> > opposition party trying hard to unseat a dictator.
>> >
>> > Naphiyo,
>> >
>> > Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
>> >
>
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