Yahya,
I commend you for your stand for a peaceful and respectful solution to this
problem. There is no doubt that Gambia-l  members will notice your efforts.
I think the lesson here is that in times of conflict even the most innocent
can get caught in the cross fire.

On Matarr's reinstatement, I think enough has been said already even before
its brought to the table for discussion. We should note that Matarr has not
formally applied to rejoin Gambia-l. If he does then his application will be
reviewed and acted accordingly. Until then lets move on.

And keep up the good work, Yahya.

Malanding Jaiteh

----- Original Message -----
From: "yeks drame" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Jabou


> My good sister,
>
> I havn't said any where in my piece, that Katim's posting was insulting. I
> even submited to his wonderful efforts and patient on this problem. So,I
> dont just get it! what are talking about?
>
> Certainly, I whould like to say that,there has never been any physical
> proximity between me and Mattar. I have never meet him in life! There is
> nothing personal on my side on this debate! So, in essence, I want to tell
> you that Mattar is not my friend! He is a Gambian brother, and that is
where
> my stance is.
>
> This problem, could even be more than the issue ilustrated here. In a
> general discussion like this, theoritical matters, as it implies here are
> dugging up, and ofcource it is not interesting at all to read such
postings
> that where sent on personal grounds to the list.The purposs of these
abusive
> postings where to satisfy a need. What ever need it was, its best known by
> the individuals involved.The question is, does it worth it? where does it
> take them? can that solve the problems? No!
> it cannot! so what is the solution to the problem?
>
> To bring order out of potential chaos, I thought it was logic to
erradicate
> the source of the problem, and that is the differences! What is material
is,
> to discuss ideas instead of "events".I must explicitly mention that I am
> against the triggering of the problems among us! Come out with
constructive
> solutions to solve this problem.
>
> I think with our moral obligations, we should all see that peace and
harmony
> prevails among us so that there shall be nothing like this problem again.
>
> Anyway, sister Jabou I share your concern and understand where things went
> wrong, but how do we rectify that situation if we are really in for peace
> and brotherly/sisterlyhood?
>
> Peace
> Yahya
>
>
>
> >From: saul khan <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Jabou
> >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:36:06 GMT
> >
> >Jabou,
> >
> >Thanks for your effort, but you don't need to fwd anything from Matarr.
It
> >doesn't take any imagination to know what will be in the mail. Instead of
> >people excusing matarr's behavior, we should all be trying to find ways
of
> >helping the guy. This is more than an "anger control problem." My offer
> >stands.
> >
> >Saul.
> >
> >Ps.
> >I don't feel offended by Matarr's insults. He can't help it, so why
bother?
> >
> >Saul.
> >
> >
> >>From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: fwd: On Matarr Njie etc reply to Saul
> >>Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:09:00 EST
> >>
> >>G-L,
> >>l am going to apologise  and ask your forgiveness and especially that of
> >>Katim Touray since he is subject to the same filth that Matarr has
> >>continually copied  or directed to a lot of us in this posting. It is
not
> >>my
> >>nature to forward such filth to the list, but in view of all this
unending
> >>nonse regarding the re-instatement of matarr, despite Katim's very
> >>thorough
> >>posting last night, l am doing this to show  people what  a lot of us
have
> >>been subject to, and what they are  defending.Therefore, l am taking the
> >>responsibility of forwarding an email to the list that Matarr wrote to
> >>Saul
> >>Khan and  copied to me TODAY. Yahya, here is a piece of the
reasonableness
> >>and human nature you speak of from your friend Matarr Njie.Please tell
me
> >>what was insulting about Katim's posting. Here goes:
> >>
> >>Saul Khan:
> >>
> >>Well, what do you and Katim Touray expect me to do given that you are
> >>labelling me as a psycho, except to FUCK your filthy mother's vagina.
> >>Please
> >>do not cry foul, because you initiated the whole game. Katim should
> >>definitely know by now that I do NOT take insults lightly. I hit back
and
> >>please do not complain about my choice of words either. Insults are
> >>insults!
> >>
> >>I find Katim's latest ultimatum a silly and a cheap threat.
Hypocritical?
> >>Most certainly.
> >>How does a son of a prostitute like Katim Touray expect reconcilliation
> >>and
> >>forgiveness when he continually sees other parties hit below the belt
> >>without intervening? Well, reconcilliation is a two-way street and both
> >>parties to the conflict have to agree to desist from a restarting the
> >>vicious circle. What we have on Gambia-L under the self-appointed
> >>managers,
> >>is to tie the hands of one party to the conflict while calling for peace
> >>and
> >>reconcilliation. No wonder, the circus is never ending.
> >>
> >>You have a nice week ahead.
> >>
> >>Matarr.
> >>
> >>[log in to unmask] (yeks drame) wrote:
> >>Katim,
> >>
> >>  I think you did a good job, and whats more even, is the level of
> >>  understanding, patient an diplomacy you had demonstrated in this
Mattar
> >>  issue. I further credit you for the well documented and material
> >>evidence
> >>  you have revealed to us about the activities of Mattar and his (then)
> >>opinon
> >>  of the GL.
> >>
> >>  However, I also find find it strange for you asking me to apologise to
> >>the
> >>  people. For what? What was wrong with trying to hamonise peace within
> >>the
> >>  people! I dont think thats offensive, just saying that Mattar needs us
> >>as
> >>we
> >>  needs him ? thats authentic Katim! its a fact, no man is an island! I
> >>  apologise then if that is the order of the day here! I did not know
that
> >>its
> >>  offensive to speak your mind here. I know you are embarked on a though
> >>job,
> >>  managing a forum like this could be stressing and sometimes
irritating,
> >>but
> >>  please do read all the postings that were sent in concerning this
> >>debate.
> >>I
> >>  promise you that, I had all the time extempt myself from any form of
> >>emotion
> >>  or offensive play. I have been very nutral on this topic! So, am
> >>suprised
> >>  and dissapointed that you are asking me to apologise to the people.
> >>Possibly
> >>  I dont get the point right on this list, what is the line for foul
play
> >>  here?
> >>
> >>  Notably, the issue is to reconcile, which if it is material shall only
> >>  promote awareness and peace in our society, that is what is my stance,
> >>sir!
> >>  am not trying to disintergrate people instead I want to increase the
> >>level
> >>  of understanding and tolarance among our people, what is offensive
about
> >>  that?
> >>
> >>  On this list we are continiousely reminded of the of backwardness of
our
> >>  beloved land, Gambia-one of the most degraded, humiliated and rubbed
> >>  societies of the world for quite a long time. Your open letter to the
> >>  president is part of the most humble solutions for the mass
> >>participation
> >>of
> >>  the people in the development of the Gambia, like wise, the Robinson,
> >>and
> >>  Dr. Janneh proposals. All these ideas have only been calling for
> >>  togetherness and nothing otherwise. Well, in other to achieve that
goal
> >>we
> >>  must differ in ideas and that is one of the ample reason why I
appealed
> >>for
> >>  re suscription of Mattar.
> >>
> >>  After all said, it is important to realise that, the contribution of
the
> >>  individual is what complys to collectivism and that is what makes
great
> >>  ideas. We must always remember that "many hands make light work".
> >>Therefore,
> >>  collectivism will be minimal if we try to block others because of
> >>reasons
> >>  that are very human.We must increase our efforts significantly to
> >>understand
> >>  the nature of certain individuals at certain intervals that makes them
> >>  paranoid and act very irresponsible. This rerconciliation process
should
> >>be
> >>  seen as a prequisite to development. It is only when we are organised
> >>among
> >>  ourselves and make formidable force that we can be able to discuss
ideas
> >>and
> >>  come to solutions.
> >>
> >>  I hope the list managers would follow this debate attentively and see
> >>what
> >>  is authentic. I mean., you should read the other postings, and fairly
> >>judge
> >>  which ones are offensive, in langauage wise and formular! with this
> >>regard ,
> >>  I strongly condemn the idea that I should apologise to the people. I
> >>should
> >>  as well add that, I like wise condemn the structural adjustment
policies
> >>  suggested by some list members as a way of reconciliation, because the
> >>place
> >>  the haviest burden on the process of reconciliation and instead
> >>triggered
> >>  anger and reluctancy to submission. I think we should ask those people
> >>to
> >>  apologise instead!
> >>
> >>  It would be impossible to achieve reconciliation without subscribing
to
> >>the
> >>  reconcialiatory song of forgiveness. We must remember that liberation
is
> >>not
> >>  begged for but struggled for! and this must include both parties to
> >>  liberated.
> >>
> >>  To this endavour, the managers of the list should listen to this call
> >>with
> >>  open mind and see the essence of unity. I am sure Mattar and all the
> >>others
> >>  who were engaged on such foul play will surely understand that we are
> >>all
> >>  "Pist Off" of this unfortunate situation.
> >>
> >>  With this regard, list managers, I hope we can closs this chapter in
the
> >>  name of reconciliation and brotherlyhood and turn to a new one.
> >>Sometimes
> >>  one can be force to take dicisions unplesant on their side, but in
> >>principle
> >>  that is most fundamental. This dicision you are about to take is a
> >>challenge
> >>  to be considerate.
> >>
> >>  Peace.
> >>  Yahya
> >>   >>
> >>
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