Soffie,
tired cliches of "lickor taka tasut kor"
please translate?
Thank you,
Jane
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Jane Zainab Warner-Tholley
University of Washington
Seattle, Washington 98195
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, Ceesay, Soffie wrote:
> "You see as i told sister Ndey, the problem lies in the lack of knowledge of
> their rights ( by our sisters) "
>
> Habib -
>
> You can say the above again which is at the root of why some of us suffer in
> our relationships - knowledge! But, when you have elders resorting to tired
> clichés of "lickor taka tasut kor" and delaying tactics by husbands with the
> court's full knowledge, the suffering continues no end. I've tied our
> (women's) suffering to the prevalence and persistence of poverty in the
> world and I submit that as long as we continue to suffer emotionally and
> economically, our capacity to contribute is undermined and poverty will
> never leave us.
>
> Soffie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Habib Ghanim [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie
>
>
>
> sister Jabou
>
> I think this Cadi was corrupt or a freind of the husband, otherwise the
> system works. The only other reason why there was a delay was to ensure that
> the woman was NOT pregnant ( to protect the kid) and that waiting period is
> usually 3 months.
>
> The woman had another choice - go to a local Imam in here area or even
> outside her area and based on the man's no show up if he summons him , then
> the woman gets a divorse as requested.
>
> They can demand and exercise the written laws of the man's responsibilities
> like child support and alimony. yes indeed . Even if he becomes a dead beat
> dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the sister still has some leverage
> to use and witnesses too
>
> habib
>
>
>
> >From: Jabou Joh
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie
> >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:26:36 EST
> >
> >Soffie,
> >
> >This is a shame and I still maintain that since I do not see how the
> rulings
> >of the Cadi court can really help anyone since the justice system will not
> go
> >after people to make sure they are enforced, working to have laws
> >incorporated into the constitution is the way to go on this. I think the
> mere fact that a
> >woman can be simply turned out of the house upon divorce with no laws in
> >place to ensure her rights regardign property is shocking to say the least.
>
> >
> >Jabou Joh
> >
> >In a message dated 3/1/04 10:05:28 AM Central Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> > > How about after twenty years of marriage, 5 kids, and having been abused
>
> > > for
> > > most of that marriage, the Cadi(?) court rejecting a woman's petition
> for a
> > > divorce. It took 9 months for this woman who had no means of earning a
> > > living being made to journey to the courts, for 9 damn months, before
> she
> > > was granted a divorce. Do any of you know why proceedings in the Cadi
> > > courts are closed to the public? The shenanigans and the corruption in
> that
> > > court need to be exposed.
> > >
> > > Soffie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:13 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/29/04 5:46:03 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well as Jabou said, it is fine if the women accept. We can still ask:
> Is
> > > > it a matter of accepting it or not having the choice to say no.
> > >
> > > Ndey,
> > >
> > > My guess is that given the choice, most women would say no. This is why
> I
> > > also pointed out that Islam does permit such a pre-nuptual agreement
> that
> > > the
> > > husband will not marry another wife, but this is not ever mentioned in
> > > Gambia,
> > > and won't be unless it becomes the law of the land like it is in
> Senegal.
> > > There are also other isues Ndey. For example, I am quite disturbed by
> the
> > > fact that in Gambia for example, a woman can be divorced by her husband
> and
> > > be
> > > literally turned out into the street without having any laws to protect
> her
> > > as
> > > far as her rights to shares of any property. If I am wrong, someone
> please
> > > correct me. I think it si also the same as far as child support and
> alimony.
> > > Although most men in our society will take care of their kids (and i do
> not
> > > know
> > > what the statistics are on this or even if anyone has looked at this),
> there
> > > are still some people who do not.
> > >
> > > Jabou
> > >
> > >
> >
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