Jane, i agree totally. Gun control is not the only issue and without meaningful family and community connections, people become lost and life has little meaning, and i think modern society is begining to see what is just the tip of the iceberg. 

Rgds,
Jabou Joh

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I would like to add that guns are not the only factor (I support gun control emphatically). I believe that in each of these cases, if you scratch the surface, you will find the shooter's history of abuse, neglect, abandonment. This is because, in this society of purported "family values", there is precious little support from society and its institutions for communities or families. Everything requires nurture to thrive and grow--without things turn toxic . When families and individuals come to be in trouble, there is little for them other than "going it alone". I don't say this to forgive killers for their rampages and murders, but I think these events are less "senseless" than they are usually billed. I suggest looking at our mental health system, at our "blame the victim" approach, at our fetish for individual responsibility rather than communal interdependence. Or look at the our government's response to Hurricane Katrina and the effects on New Orleans... 
 
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Y Jallow wrote: 
 
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> "The unfortunate and sad fact is that the weapons manufacturers who are behind the gun lobby are the reason for the failure to get any meaningful gun control laws passed. It is another example of how big business wins and the average guy looses." Sis. Jabou. 
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> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html 
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> Yes, quite agreeable. Your ink didnÿÿt even dry yet. Here is another sad one of the many I am closely observing. I am sure you are following the spree. CNN is the outlet for all of the scary ones. Thanks for your educative rejoinder. 
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> Yero. 
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>> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:26:03 -0500> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Nebraska Mall shooting by a teenager> To: [log in to unmask]> > Yero,> > The fact that anyone can get a gun and go on these senseless killing sprees and that we or our children can be victims of this senseless violence is very sobering indeed. The unfortunate and sad fact is that the weapons manufacturers who are behind the gun lobby are the reason for the failure to get any meaningful gun control laws passed. It is another example of how big business wins and the average guy looses.> Jabou> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:59 am> Subject: The Nebraska Mall shooting by a teenager> > > > > > > > > > > > The recent shooting in a Nebraska mall by a teenager is not strange in the > society we live-America. Like those in trials normally say ÿÿIf not one thing is > another.ÿÿ It is also true that history repeats itself time and again, thousands > of miles apart. But how can we not care about it, even if you are from Pluto? > The truth remains we live in the society and our children virtually are rooted > here. What has happened to our society? It is two tendencies here; (1) You or a > love one could be a victim of the trigger. (2) Your child or love one could be > the criminal, as long as the societyÿÿs gun-controlled laws are not strong. How > much does a bullet cost? How much does a gun cost? What criteria are required to > own a gun? What is the gun business like? In my eyes, for a long time, the tool > for defense against an enemy or attack has seized to be for defense any longer; > instead it is for the offense. The tool is a weapon for the offensive on purely > innocent individuals. > > > http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/07/mall.shooter/index.html> > > In the CNN article above, we witnessed yet another tragedy of what Baldeh called > months back the deeds of a ÿÿtroubled kid.ÿÿ > > > http://www.gainako.com/fejango/Issue~043-2007/> > > To you I ask how we can arrest the nagging problem of gun violence. If you have > an answer you can save a life including your won. > > > I think that the shit needs to be turned-off like an electric switch. Caprice!!!> > > Yero. > > _________________________________________________________________> Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE!> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > interface> at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003> > ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface> at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]> ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ> 
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