Kebba, why bother with such immaturity. George, whatever you do for Gambia
is for Gambia, thus your focus should not be to challenge none but yourself.
If you are here to challenge folks then kindly keep it in your wallet as
you have been doing. From the onset, the fund was set up for the willing to
participate. You are free to start your own and attract millionaires like
yourself to contribute. I am really disappointed at the immaturity you are
displaying here. However, make no mistake, your rubbish will be ignored.
You can scream bloody murder all you want, but you cannot stop Gambians from
doing what they wish. What nonsense! Now, the same person that said will
sit on his money all this time is now howling about allowances for the
leaders. This is really amazing. Like I told you before, sit on your money
and see if Gambians give a hoot. Kebba, if I were you, I'll just ignore
this nonsense.
Chi Jaama
Joe Sambou
>From: Brenda <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [>-<] Coalition make it or break it- LADIES (questions)
>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:51:58 -0800 (PST)
>
>I'm with chris here. why aren't you guys participating or talking. is there
>an unwritten laws preventing women from speaking about politics? what does
>the silence of women means in terms of gambia and women in politics?
>
>Christine Sukuna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:[ This e-mail is posted to
>Gambia|Post e-Gathering by Christine Sukuna ]
>
>
>Not to stick my big nose into things or digress but, I think it is ever so
>important to include the partner/wife or wives into the mix when we talk
>about heroes. I am quite certain these gentlemen would include them and I
>think it is high time they get the credit too. Having a spouse who gives
>up a portion of their family responsibilities to try to do good for all
>Gambians leaves a gap. Who fills it? Who holds down the fort or who
>worries to death when their partner is incarcerated or out battling in such
>an environment that does not welcome opposing views? I think it is high
>time these women get credit as well and I would be interested in knowing
>more about them. I would find it extremely newsworthy and helpful to bring
>to light the complexity; the stress/burden/hardships and the joy/honor that
>the family/support system of a politician in the Gambia experiences on a
>daily basis.
>
>Ladies of the Post, what do you think? I miss your voice(s) alot.
>
>Christine Sukuna
>
>
> >
> > Kebba,
> > On a final note, please allow me to break down to you who
> > the "REAL HEROES" of the Meet the Diaspora Summit and
> > the Coalition Meeting were: Omar OJ Jallow, Ousainou Mbenga,
> > Halifa Sallah, Mr Suwareh(NRP) and Mr Jallow(UDP)! Heroes
> > to me are ordinary people doing extraordinary things during
> > extraordinary times. These people sacrificed the most .We hear
> > every day what they go through in that country all of us are
> > trying to change for the better. In fact I reminded you lot on that
> > eventful day in Atlanta that these were the "REAL HEROES" when
> > you were busy telling us how great your house(s) were. We
> > need to concentrate on what we can do for Gambia and NOT
> > what's in it for us. Too often we are quick to say "I did this, I did
> > that." It's all half-measures until there are tangible results. Even
> > then I rather keep my victory speeches and war stories as brownie
> > points when I have grandchildren. This insatiable quest to pop our
> > cherries while work is progress just doesn't cut ice with me. But
> > that's me. If you folks want to be true heroes then get serious. Don't
> > promise Gambians a land full of honey and milk. You guys wanna be my
> > hero
> > today, then I challenge each and every one of you self-appointed
> > custodians of this much touted Save The Gambia Fund/
> > Organization to put a $1,000 each within a month's time. If you lot
> > can't put together a $1,000 each in a month, they you have no business
> > in fund-raising activities to the tune of 'saving all Gambias' and
> > should relinquish that role in capable hands forthwith. I have a $1000
> > waiting to march your contributions, even whereas I'm poor as a church
> > mouse. The next challenge should be making sure all Coalition party
> > leaders receives a monthly salary from funds raised for lord knows they
> > make too many sacrifices and that should be the least we can do. Our
> > actions must speak louder and need not wait 'til 2003. It makes no
> > sense to collect funds and put them in a trophy chest while our leaders
> > can hardly make ends meet! Are you lot really up for the challenge,
> > Kebba?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > George
> >
> > PS: I wonder why Dr Saine wasn't mentioned in your victory speech,
> > Kebba.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "George Sarr"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [>-<] Coalition make it or break it
> >
> >
> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "George Sarr"
> > ]
> >>
> >>
> >> Morning Kebba,
> >> Can you please tell us whether the Save The Gambia is registered? I
> >> noticed you
> >> wrote, "Save The Gambia Fund is an organization " thus my curiosity.
> >> Is
> > Save
> >> The
> >> Gambia/Association and organization?
> >>
> >> Lastly, you wrote, "I will take this opportunity to clarify a
> >> misunderstanding with people
> >> in this forum. The meet the Diaspora summit was separate from the
> > coalition
> >> meeting.
> >> The meet the Diaspora summit was organized by AGERA and the above
> >> mention individuals under the umbrella of Save The Gambia Fund,
> >> organized the
> > coali!
> >> tion
> >> meeting."
> >> Kebba, if there is any misunderstanding with 'people in forum' it is
> >> not because folks
> >> here can't tell the difference between rain and urine. The sad truth
> >> is we have these
> >> fly-by-night organizations pissed at us and told us it's raining. They
> > tell
> >> us they have
> >> diamond in one hand when we all know it's "Horri Pagne" (stone). Come
> >> off
> > it
> >> folks.
> >> 'Fi janta bi feign nafi'. Reminds me of what Halifa told us July 5th
> >> 2003. "Gambians
> >> are very smart people." Yes indeed! Now, what i want to know Mr Foon
> >> is whether
> >> you lot have agreed if Save The Gambia/Association/Organization is a
> > private
> >> venture
> >> or a non-profit organization representing all Gambians? I can't help
> >> but notice how you
> >> painstakingly try to reiterate to us how the Save The Gambia Fund
> >> would
> > not
> >> have
> >> gained momentum if it wasn't for "Kebba Foon, Joe Sambu, Musa Jeng and
> >> Momodou
> >> Drammeh." It got even worst when you tried to take away credit from
> >> AGERA but that
> >> opens another can worms. Instead of asking us " if Kebba Foon, Joe
> >> Sambu, Musa Jeng
> >> and Momodou Drammeh did not organize the coalition meeting with the
> >> opposition leaders,
> >> was anyone planning to do so?", ask yourself if there was no AGERA(a
> >> registered entity)
> >> organizing 'The Meet The Diaspora Summit', would there have been a
> >> Save
> > The
> >> Gambia
> >> Fund, organizing "the coali! tion meeting?" You see how disingenious
> >> and myopic some of
> >> us are? We are too quick to pop our cherries, forgetting that there
> >> were many who
> >> contributed to our successes. How can you attribute success to
> >> yourself
> > for
> >> what happened
> >> in the coalition meeting without giving credits to the likes of Bamba
> > Laye,
> >> who wrote that
> >> wonderful communique. How about Pa Samba Jow, the Karamba Tourays, and
> > yes!
> >> the
> >> Haruna Darbos who lodged and provided food to some on that eventful
> >> day. Lastly, the
> >> people who made all the difference; those who dropped everything to
> >> make sure the hall
> >> wasn't empty. And last but the least this here Mighty Post who just
> >> for whatever reason
> >> doesn't seem to get any credit. Chei!
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:09 AM
> >> Subject: [>-<] Coalition make it or break it
> >>
> >>
> >> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by
> >> ]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello Mr. Sidibeh,
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for such an excellent lesson in the political
> > history
> >> of The Gambia. I am not going to argue about the history and the
> >> analysis
> > of
> >> the political situation of The Gambia you presented on the Gambia-L
> >> under the heading " Coalition make it or break it". I will on the
> >> contrary want
> > to
> >> clarify the standing of the Save The Gambia Fund idea. After reading
> >> your article, I come to the conclusion that you are very much in
> >> support of the idea of an opposition coalition but like majority of
> >> people who wrote articles relating to this subject, came up with
> >> doubts and skepticisms but not in one instance propose a workable
> >> idea. I believe in this stage of
> > The
> >> Gambia's politics and economy, what we need is workable ideas and
> > solutions.
> >> I am not discounting the fact that history is relevant in trying to
> >> find a solution to problems but its time we concentrate more on the
> >> solution.
> > There
> >> is no doubt in any Gambian or friend The Gambia that change is needed.
> >> >
> >> > Save The Gambia Fund is an organization that is trying to answer the
> > very
> >> questions that you raise in your article. Mr. Sidibeh you wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So here we are, with the UDP, NRP, NDAM, PPP and PDOIS with the
> > potential
> >> of forming a coalition. The only party, that we can claim with
> >> certainty, stands ideologically apart from the rest is PDOIS. In spite
> >> of its pan-Africanist outlook, and militant inclinations, NDAM's
> >> political
> > profile
> >> remains unclear to me. Counting PDOIS out, where concretely lie the
> >> differences between the other four? Are there ideological differences
> >> or considerations of political economy so prominent that one should
> >> vote PPP rather than UDP? Not just that they share a common
> >> anti-corruption
> > position,
> >> vow to establish the rule of law, strengthen democratic institutions,
> >> and prioritise agriculture, these parties hardly evince opposing
> >> position on significant policy questions. I remain convinced that the
> >> major
> > differences
> >> between them have little to do with politcal, economic, or cultural
> >> ideas. Herein lies the major difficulty of the proposed coalition.
> >> Given that the differences had to do with econom!
> >> > ic polices or principles of democracy for instance, the parties can
> >> appreciate each other's standpoints and negotiate with some
> >> flexibility on the bases of those differences in the interest of the
> >> common good even in the short term. But the differences between the
> >> parties seem to be based
> > on
> >> fractured histories, personalised rivalries, and perhaps both ethnic
> >> and provincial considerations. Provided that the parties have active
> > democratic
> >> structures, it is conceivable that backward leadership traits such as
> >> personal rivalries, could be eventually swept away. But these
> >> structures
> > are
> >> either non-existent or hopelessly dormant. UDP vividly exposed this
> > weakness
> >> when it failed to internally and democratically address the financial
> >> irregularities which led to Mr. Waa Juwara's resignation as propaganda
> >> secretary.
> >> >
> >> > Mr. Sidibeh once again I agree with the above analysis. But the
> >> > answer
> > to
> >> the above problem had been tackle by The Save The Gambia Fund by
> >> inviting all the opposition parties to Atlanta this past summer not
> >> only to commit
> > to
> >> a coalition but also to let we the People in the Diaspora assist the
> >> opposition in formulating a common platform, framework for the
> >> coalition
> > and
> >> help fund for the endeavor. Recently, we witness the solidarity within
> >> the opposition when Wa Juwara was held in Prison. I will inform you
> >> and the
> > rest
> >> of the people in this forum that was as a result of the coalition
> >> meeting that we conducted in Atlanta. I am sure that most of us
> >> believe that the meeting and a coalition is already a failure but I
> >> will assure you that
> > the
> >> mere fact that you and others are even discussing the issue all stem
> >> from that very meeting. We have set the stage for dialogue and
> >> consultation
> > among
> >> the opposition parties on the ground. It will be gross misinformation
> >> for you to assert that!
> >> > due to personality conflicts, the opposition will not come
> >> > together.
> > What
> >> I am saying is, they are already engage in the process of dialogue and
> >> consultation and that is what we ask of them when they came to
> >> Atlanta.
> > The
> >> sad situation is that they are fulfilling their part of the bargain
> >> but we in the Diaspora are lagging on our side. It is time we get down
> >> and dirty and put the rhetoric aside. I will be very happy to send you
> >> a videotape copy of the meeting. I will like to pose a question to you
> >> and all in this forum that if Kebba Foon, Joe Sambu, Musa Jeng and
> >> Momodou Drammeh did not organize the coalition meeting with the
> >> opposition leaders, was anyone planning to do so? I will take this
> >> opportunity to clarify a
> >> misunderstanding with people in this forum. The meet the Diaspora
> >> summit
> > was
> >> separate from the coalition meeting. The meet the Diaspora summit was
> >> organized by AGERA and the above mention individuals under the
> >> umbrella of Save The Gambia Fund, organized the coali!
> >> > tion meeting. The fact that the opposition leaders travel all the
> >> > way to
> >> Atlanta for this meeting is enough to tell you that they need our
> >> help.
> > They
> >> could have easily called for a meeting in Banjul among themselves. We
> >> in
> > the
> >> Diaspora have a role to play and we should not let our people down.
> >> >
> >> > Mr.sidibeh you wrote:
> >> >
> >> > While a diasporan like me should never encourage people to take to
> >> > the
> >> streets for anything, I should in all humility, ask Mr.Waa Juwara, in
> >> his capacity as a leader seeking political office, to mobilise his
> >> unique experience and organisational skills to take the lead in
> >> initiating consultations with ALL the opposition parties (if that
> >> indeed was not done prior to Waa's call for a peaceful demonstration),
> >> so that they may collectively draw out a strategy to deal with the
> >> disastrous consequence
> > of
> >> the current economic and social malaise.
> >> >
> >> > Once again Mr. Sidibeh the whole idea of a peaceful demonstration
> >> > stem
> >> from we the people in the Diaspora. We also contacted the opposition
> > leaders
> >> to do exactly what you mention above namely to consult and draw out a
> >> strategy.
> >> >
> >> > I read in the past on the L your concerns together with Jabou and
> >> > others
> >> about the structure of The Save The Gambia fund. I will post a
> >> compromise that will accommodate such concerns. I have no doubt in my
> >> mind that we
> > all
> >> have good intention to bring about positive change to The Gambia. I
> >> agree with you all that we do not only need to get Jammeh out of
> >> office but most importantly to erect a dismantle structure. As a
> >> matter of fact we have to start building the structure.
> >> >
> >> > Kebba Foon
> >> >
> >> > PS. Joe can you please forward this to the Gambia L.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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