Mr you are very right in your comments. Is only Ebou and
President Jammeh who knows the truth and should come out with
integrity & respect and explain to the Gambians about the real
saga.
Let Mr Jallow give us the benefit of the doubts.I took him for his
words at the beginning when he was making comments on the
saga and speaking of his innocency; and now according to the
newspapers and dialogue on the Gambia-l, he apologises to the
man he have pointed fingers at. Please Mr Jallow come out clean
and explain yourself about what have taken place and your
reasons of apology to Mr President. I think the timing of your
apology has something to do with Ramadan as most writers
relates and this must be a good timing as well to speak out the
truth and only truth of the saga. The reason why most of us are
casting doubts now is your reason of making a U-turn (why
apologise to a man you claimed lied against you of national
property?)
Until then,
Peace
Lamin
On 28 Nov 2001, at 9:31, Faburama Ansin wrote:
Elhajj,
If someone steal huge amount of money from our country and you
sympathise with him, naturally, people would be suspecious of a
family ties or some kind of re lationship. This has been going in
the Gambia for a long time now, people would steal and those
close to them would come to their defence. This has hurt our
country for a long time and has to stop.
You talk about other thieves that the list is not critisizing. We all
know that Ebou is not the only one, but he is the one now on
Gambia-L and we can easily communicate with him. In addition
to that, Ebou had revealed really bad deeds of the the Jammeh
regime and make us believed that he is innocient, then all of
sudden turn around and appologized to the Jammeh of the things
that he said about his regime. This has make lot of why he is
doing this and demand an explanation. Why all a sudden a U-turn
if he was telling us the truth.
Faburama
>From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to President
Jammeh
>Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:34:55 +0100
>
>Joe & Yus,
>You have totally misunderstood my position to say that i am
defending Ebou in
>this issue. How many times have i mentioned that i am not
defending Ebou? But
>still both you and Yus are accusing me of defending him. I have
said that i knew
>about the Ebou Jallow issue when i joined the L, but both of you
are saying that
>i knew the issue before i join the L. How can you prove it ?
Were you getting
>contacts with me or do you know anybody who was getting
contacts with me? You
>have now started proving your dishonesty on the L to me. I
joined the L about
>two years ago, but i could not remember the exact time. I really
don`t have time
>now to go into the archives, but i would be very grateful, if you
can forward my
>first contribution date on the L. I have agreed with all of you that
Ebou owe us
>explainations, and i have said that i am not defending him, but still
this does
>not satisfy you. Your problem is that i should not sympathize
with him, be rest
>assured that none in this planet can change this inside my heart.
It is my full
>right to sympathize with him, and i will continue to do so. Call me
whatever you
>want!
>Regarding the thieves in our country, I was totally satisfied with
the honest
>Matarr Sallah who had said the truth. We should be honest to
ourselves to know
>that
>Justice is not only a result. It is a process, and all criminals
should undergo
>through the process, without exceptions. So, if we only see Ebou,
Jammeh &
>others as the only thieves in our country, then this proves our
dishonesty at
>the highest level. What about our previous looters? Are they not
to be held
>accountable? Gentlemen, let us judge all criminals equally. As
you rightly said
>" a thief, is a thief and a thief "
>I have no doubt that my stance in the Ebou Jallow issue is very
unpopular, but i
>hope it would be respected. You people are yet to prove me as
liar. So you
>better do some more home work, with honesty.
>
>Elhajj
>
>Pls.BroYus, kindly drop the Islam discussion in this issue. You
have the right
>to believe what you want to believe. I have nothing against that.
>
>Joe Sambou skrev:
>
> > Elhajj, thanks for the confidence you bestowed in me. If I
have a third
> > party corroboration such as the Swiss Bank etc., I will name
any guilty
> > Gambian. I am not afraid to name anyone and I do not
differentiate thieves.
> > A thief, is a thief, and a thief. I can confidently call Jammeh a
thief
> > because he was named in the Ebou Jallow saga. All I need
from you is to
> > point me to evidence such as court transcripts and you will
see what I can
> > do with it, and I do not care if my best friend is the accused. I
grew up
> > with Ebou Jallow's brother, Poll, but that is no reason for me
to keep
> > quiet. Sir, the amount of energy you put forth defending Ebou,
why don't
> > you use the same vigor and assist me in identifying the people
you have in
> > mind. I also care less, what friends of thieves think of me. It
is our
> > duty as a Gambians to speak out on anyone that was caught
stealing from our
> > people. I am not forcing you to do anything. You brought this
issue up in
> > your defence of Ebou Jallow, therefore, it is incumbent on you
to speak your
> > mind. If you insist that you are afraid to call out the big
thieves, then
> > I'll take your word for it. So, if you are not willing to call on
other
> > thieves that you know off, why don't you leave us with the
calling and stop
> > delaying progress. Elhajj, this is not the first time you jumped
in defence
> > of Ebou Jallow. A year or so ago (on GL/Voice Out) you
came in his defense
> > when I took him on and I just ignored your comments. You
knew of this issue
> > at least a year ago, if not more. I respect your right to stick
your neck
> > out for your friend, but you also cannot muzzle me on the
process. Please
> > check with your friend, Ebou, he has all the court transcripts.
Elhajj,
> > always count on me to call it like it is. Let me know your
thoughts.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to
President Jammeh
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:57:07 +0100
> > >
> > >Moses,
> > >If I am the only Gambian in this forum who know our
thieves, then let us
> > >all
> > >assume that Ebou and the present regime are the only
thieves. You people
> > >want me
> > >to answer a question that I will NEVER answer. Don`t you
know that people
> > >don`t
> > >name or point fingers on our big thieves in the Gambia.
Where are you in
> > >this
> > >world?
> > >If you name or point a finger on our big thieves, his / her
praise singers
> > >will
> > >labell you a jealous or a grudge person. Those people are
untouchable! All
> > >those
> > >thieves ever convicted are small thieves who took the
hundreds or the
> > >thousands,
> > >but the ones who took the millions are the blessed thieves,
and they are
> > >still
> > >going about with their businesses. By the way, are you not a
brother to
> > >Paul
> > >Sarr, who playing together with Joe in Young Africans
football team ? I
> > >know you
> > >are not among Remi and Manuell`s brothers at Leman St. So
if you are Paul`s
> > >brother, you also know the thieves better than me. Maybe
Joe can help you
> > >name
> > >the thieves.
> > >
> > >Elhajj.
> > >
> > >Moses Sarr skrev:
> > >
> > > > Elhajj,
> > > >
> > > > For God sake, name those people and then see what the
reactions are
> > >going to
> > > > be in Gambia-L. Just give the names of the thieves you
are talking
> > > > about....oh my God.
> > > >
> > > > Mose
> > > >
> > > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > >
> > > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises to
President Jammeh
> > > > >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:14:08 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > >Dave,
> > > > >You are right! It is the duty of every Gambian to attack
our thieves.
> > >But
> > > > >be rest assured, that there
> > > > >are people who has stolen more than Ebou Jallow, and
they are among the
> > > > >worst crooks on this planet.
> > > > >
> > > > >Elhajj
> > > > >
> > > > >You really got me! I have just eaten my couscous taking
some pause to
> > >make
> > > > >my
> > > > >" Tarawih prayer "
> > > > >
> > > > >Dave Manneh skrev:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Elhaji Fye,
> > > > > > I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a
> > >thief
> > > > >". In my opinion,
> > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some
people has taken
> > >more
> > > > >than what
> > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on
them. I want to
> > >see
> > > > >them
> > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou
Jallow is being
> > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not
defending his
> > > > >action, but i
> > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
explainations.
> > >What
> > > > >about the
> > > > > > others ?
> > > > > > If you know who those folks are, what is stopping you
from
> > > > >naming and shaming them.
> > > > > > It is equally your duty to the Gambian people to name
those "bigger
> > > > >thieves" surely.
> > > > > > There is no bigger thief than Ebou, the guy is a creep,
and he knows
> > >it
> > > > >too.
> > > > > > I told him two yrs ago that anytime he comes here
with his shit,
> > >there
> > > > >will be
> > > > > > people who will be more than willing to shove it
where it comes
> > >from,
> > > > >which is his poo hole.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let Ebou give us a freaking break, oK??
> > > > > > Enjoy your Iftar, if you haven't already eaten
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > > >[mailto:GAMBIA-
[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Elhajj Mustapha Fye
> > > > > > Sent: 24 November 2001 09:03
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Former AFPRC Strongman Apologises
to President Jammeh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > I fully agree with all what you said. " A thief is just a
thief ".
> > >In my
> > > > >opinion,
> > > > > > all thieves should be treated the same way. Some
people has taken
> > >more
> > > > >than what
> > > > > > Ebou has taken, and we want to put a blind eye on
them. I want to
> > >see
> > > > >them
> > > > > > attacked in any Gambian gathering, just as Ebou
Jallow is being
> > > > >attacked. I made
> > > > > > it clear that Ebou owe us explainations, and i am not
defending his
> > > > >action, but i
> > > > > > cannot digest that he is the only thief who owe us
explainations.
> > >What
> > > > >about the
> > > > > > others ?
> > > > > > Jabou, you know that Ebou did not give me a penny
on this amount. I
> > > > >repeatedly
> > > > > > said that i sympathize with Ebou, because of the
antagonisms he
> > >faces
> > > > >within the
> > > > > > Gambian community. But let people understand that,
one can only
> > > > >sympathize with a
> > > > > > friend / relative / whatever / when they face
difficulties, but you
> > > > >cannot change
> > > > > > the process of the truth. The truth will always be the
truth! I
> > >hope my
> > > > >fellow
> > > > > > G-Lers will understand my positon not to misjudge
me. Frankly, I
> > >did
> > > > >not regret
> > > > > > joining the L, because i met with old friends, met with
new friends
> > >and
> > > > >usually
> > > > > > get a lot of fun here. So, I highly appreciate this
gathering, and
> > >also
> > > > >respect
> > > > > > their views on our debates. It is not always that we
will see eye to
> > >eye
> > > > >on
> > > > > > issues, but it does make us to be enemies. Let us just
disagree with
> > > > >respect, not
> > > > > > to creat enemity between us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy Ramadan
> > > > > > Elhajj.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elhadj,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope you are being sarcastic, because whether it
was taken as
> > >Ebou
> > > > >did or
> > > > > > > taken in secret as other did, it all amounts to the
same thing,
> > >and as
> > > > >far as
> > > > > > > I am concerned, they are all thieves, whether they
took it during
> > >the
> > > > >Jawara
> > > > > > > Era or now in various forms. A thief is a thief, and
no amount of
> > > > >smoothing
> > > > > > > over can ever change that. If one takes what does
not belong to
> > >them,
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > worse still, if what they took was entrusted to them
on behalf of
> > >the
> > > > >people,
> > > > > > > or by the people it puts them into a category that no
decent
> > >person
> > > > >wants to
> > > > > > > belong to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, mentioning the thievery practiced by our
government officials
> > > > >past and
> > > > > > > present very much belongs on Gambia-L, and why?
> > > > > > > Because this is a gathering of Gambians, and if
such talk does not
> > > > >belong
> > > > > > > here, then where in heaven's name does it belong
then, in the
> > >closet?
> > > > >We have
> > > > > > > done too much of that, always trying to hush hush
the misdeeds of
> > > > >those who
> > > > > > > should exercise the highest moral character
because they are the
> > > > >guardians of
> > > > > > > what little assets we have,
> > > > > > > and all that this does is to send the message that
one can do
> > >anything
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > get away with it. No more. If they do it, we will talk
about it
> > >loud
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > clear for the whole World to hear.No hard feelings
Elhadj, and i
> > >am
> > > > >sure you
> > > > > > > will agree with me because i do believe you are a
man of ethics,
> > >and
> > > > >truth
> > > > > > > can never be the equivalent of falsehood as the holy
Qur'an tells
> > >us.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sister Jabou Joh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 6:11:53 AM Central
Standard Time,
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jabou,
> > > > > > > > I am sorry to say, that the truth you have
mentioned in your
> > >mail,
> > > > >should
> > > > > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > mentioned on the Gambia-L. Ebou Jallow is the
ONLY THIEF who has
> > > > >ever
> > > > > > > > stolen the
> > > > > > > > coffers of our country. All the rest who took our
coffers in the
> > > > >past 37
> > > > > > > > years
> > > > > > > > has borrowed what they took. We hope the so
called truthful
> > >G-Lers
> > > > >will ask
> > > > > > > > them,
> > > > > > > > when they will pay back our money? Some are
running their
> > > > >progressive
> > > > > > > > businesses,
> > > > > > > > and others are sitting in their Mansions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Elhajj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jabou Joh skrev:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/2001 7:57:24 PM
Central Standard
> > >Time,
> > > > > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Samba and co,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I mean it when I said Ebou is Man. To
apologise after all he
> > > > >siad and
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > against Jammeh and this Government, it is
unbelievable. I
> > >could
> > > > >not
> > > > > > > > beleive
> > > > > > > > > > my eyes when I saw the original letter. At
first I thought
> > >it
> > > > >was fake.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ebou Jallow has done so much damage to
President Jammeh and
> > >this
> > > > > > > > Government
> > > > > > > > > > and I do not think he will be forgivened.I
think this is all
> > >a
> > > > >CIA
> > > > > > > > plot. I
> > > > > > > > > > have know Ebou Jallow we had a good
relation and we still
> > >do,
> > > > >but I just
> > > > > > > > > > hope he is not stupid enough to step his foot
in this
> > >country.
> > > > >He will
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > tried and jailed. Even if President Jammeh
forgives him,
> > >others
> > > > >would
> > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > He has done wrong to others too, not only
President Jammeh.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He is a man. He knows what people would
say about him and he
> > > > >still came
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > in public apologising. I think Ebou is being
paid and
> > > > >manipulated by the
> > > > > > > > > > CIA. I might be wrong but this is my feeling.
I do not see
> > > > >anything that
> > > > > > > > > > would save Ebou Jallow from being punished
for what he did
> > >if he
> > > > >comes
> > > > > > > > > > back.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > PEACE
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tombong
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But Tombong,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With all due respect, Ebou Jallow has not done
anything that
> > > > >Jammeh and co
> > > > > > > > > have not done, and on a much larger scale
infact. Seems to me
> > >that
> > > > >he is
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > the only one who needs to be tried and jailed, so
this is a
> > >case
> > > > >of " the
> > > > > > > > pot
> > > > > > > > > calling the kettel black". It is a strange thing
when
> > >criminals
> > > > >try to
> > > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > fingers at each other.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jabou Joh
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