KB,
One thing should be made clear here and that is to say,you will have to
struggle hard to find a country were more than 60% of eligible voters when
to the pools,such are rear occasions and shows how false it could be with
what we call Democracy.Secondly the People from the North did go to the
pools and secondly as far as Ouattara is not able to send the people to the
street to defy the banning of his party and had to rely on other
parties,then we have to commend Gbogbo for doing that without waiting for
alliance from others,then the story would have been different,that is to say
then Guei would have still been the President of Ivory Coast.
Thirdly the war against personality cult is no small things as far as
politics in our continent is concern.They are a big hindrance to development
and participation,it is backward and have contributed greatly in pacifying a
large section of many societies.
I still maintain my position that Gbogbo is the legitimate President of
Ivory Coast,even though as you rightly pointed out,from the start the
exclusion of other parties from the elections,is out right undemocratic,it
was not Gbogbo who did that.Now he has the chance of changing that foolish
law and so far there is nothing saying that he is not willing to do so.
I have said here that the parliamentary elections are very soon,if Ouattra
party wins this elections,unless that he would just want to be the
president,then he would still have nothing to lose.
I have also said here that,even though the West have been parading him as a
democrat,modern and Intellectual,my doubts about this man is base on the
fact that he agreed to served an undemocratic government,he never joined the
pro-democratic movement,but hold on to his post as PM whiles Ivorians were
fighting and dying for a democratic country.
As I have argued here also that Western propaganda and hypocrisy in
supporting this man is base on the simple fact that he can best serve their
interest as he did whiles the PM of the Country some few years back.The
political crisis in this country did not come about just after the
elections,it has a history and this what still unfolding.
During the pro democratic crisis it was not a question of the north against
the south and now that some are losing grounds,they will have to create
such grounds and with such a heavy Western propaganda,there is bound to be
problems.
The very reason why Ouattara,finally got to the discussion table was the
simple fact that he knew he could not win the battle,it was not out of love
for his country,if he can loyally serve a dictator and witness the unlawful
arrest and detention of democratic forces,what more would he not do ?
For Freedom
Saiks
----- Original Message -----
From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Ivory Coast: Reflections on people power
> Mr. Samateh, thanks for giving me the opportunity to try and clarify
myself
> about the statement I made earlier on regarding Gbagbo. I think it is
> abundantly clear that the elections in October were unfair. I think we all
> agree that the tactics used in order to eliminate Ouattarra and the other
> camps were wrong. As a result, the majority of the Ivorian electorate
> boycotted the elections. This is the premise am coming from. In light of
> this unfairness, Gbagbo should act like a true democrat and seek the
mandate
> of the whole Ivorian people (not just his supporters from the south).
> Ouattarra could not have come out with his supporters right after the
> elections and fight on Gbagbo's side. The reason being, he cannot help to
> legitimize Gbagbo on the basis of a flawed elections. I also think that it
> is unfair to label Ouattarra as an opportunist. He had all along protested
> against the elections. He might not have confronted the authorities, but
he
> mounted an effective protest against the elections. The success of the
> election boycott is why Gbagbo is having problems now. Judging from the
way
> you are now blaming Ouattarra for provoking Gbagbo supporters, am sure if
he
> sent his people out to confront Guei, we will have people arguing that he
> should not have confronted Guei. I respect the way he handled the
elections
> by telling his supporters not to partake in a flawed contest. My reading
of
> the news up to the elections was that the Ouattarra and Bedie camps were
not
> united as to the tactics they wanted to adopt. If you have such disunity,
> you cannot mount an effective mass demonstration (especially against a
> callous military). So, I think these calculations might have prevented
> Ouattarra from taking to the streets before the elections. If it is
> legitimate now for Gbagbo to have confronted Guei because the latter stole
> the elections, what is wrong in Ouattarra confronting Gbagbo? Gbagbo is
> trying to benefit from the same flawed system as far as Ouattarra is
> concerned. This 'personality cult' business by Gbagbo is just tokenism in
my
> view. His calls to form a 'national reconciliation government' is a step
in
> the right direction. But in my view, that is not enough to appease the
> people that justifiably boycotted the October elections. The entitlement
> mentality evinced by Gbagbo is what I have a problem with. Because his
> people confronted Guei, he should be the beneficiary of a flawed
elections?
> If he is happy being in office with less than 30% of the electorate voting
> for him, he can be my guest. He will just have to deal with the more than
> 70% of the Ivorians that did not vote for him. Thanks again. It is good
that
> we try and learn from this situation and try not to repeat it in Gambia.
> KB
>
>
>
> >From: Saikou Samateh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Ivory Coast: Reflections on people power
> >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:45:39 -0000
> >
> >Mr Dampha,
> >
> >I do also disagree with much of your conclusions as to the way forward in
> >this country.After saying this,I believed you still have to make your
self
> >clear why you have no respect for President Gbogbo,I have my doubts if
this
> >lack of respect is as a result of his recent reaction towards the present
> >political situation.In the first place he did try to line up a National
> >reconciliation government,something which a wise person would do as far
as
> >the political situation are concern.He did announced that a commission
will
> >be set up to investigate into the matter that resulted into many the
> >dead.He
> >has even gone to the extend of waging a war against a personality cult
> >syndrome,non of his pictures will be seen displayed in the airport and
> >people tax money will not be used to say what he did and did not do
during
> >the week.This is a very important step forward in creating an image of a
> >leader who will not be seen as a small God,with his picture on every
office
> >wall and street.
> >Ouattara should not in a moment demand for re-election,and sending his
> >people out in the street,not the day before the elections,not the day of
> >the
> >elections but the very moment he new that people have fought and won the
> >elections both at the pooling stations and in the streets,such
opportunism
> >should not be entertain.Gbogbo could have just accepted the announcement
> >made by Guie and sit back just like what Ouattara did.
> >Ouattara knew very well that sending his supporters out in the streets
was
> >not only provoking but was putting the lives of the people in danger,and
> >later only to understand that this was a battle he was to lose
anyway,thus
> >leaving the Western hypocrites and their allies to continue calling for
> >re-elections.As it is said here the Ivorians are not naive and will be
> >watching this government too very closely.
> >
> >For Freedom
> >
> >Saiks
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: Ivory Coast: Reflections on people power
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Sanneh, I agree with your assessment. The last thing we should
want
> >is
> > > for one more life be lost in any controversy surrounding an election
> >re-run;
> > > especially, (as you pointed out) if Ouattarra is going to gain some
> > > semblance of power come December. As you can tell from a few of my
> >postings,
> > > am reluctantly willing to subscribe to the idea of giving Gbagbo a
> >chance
> >in
> > > order to save lives. But I must express my disappointment in Gbagbo
and
> >his
> > > intellectuals for their undemocratic and unpatriotic stand. What is
> >going
> >on
> > > in Ivory Coast now is not very different from what happened last
> >December
> > > when the military took a retired general (technically a civilian) and
> > > install him in power. The elections they had in October was just a
sham
> > > elections. Had Gbagbo been prevented from running in those elections,
I
> > > doubt whether his intellectuals would now be defending the integrity
of
> > > those elections. To now use the military and terror tactics and hold
the
> > > country at ransom is disingenuous. Ouattarra has the same grievance
> >against
> > > Gbagbo that the latter had against Guei. Gbagbo was the victim of
> >elections
> > > fraud when Guei declared himself the winner and Ouattarra is now the
> >victim
> > > of election fraud. This is indeed a good lesson for all Africans. Our
> > > leaders behave like kids in candy stores. They want everything to
> > > themselves. There are even no guarantees that Ouattarra would have
acted
> > > properly had he been in Gbagbo's position. I hope our opposition
parties
> > > back home would learn from this and not betray each other and deal
with
> >the
> > > devil (Yaya). But one thing I have learnt is that politicians tend to
> >have
> >a
> > > very selective memory. They don't learn from history. The same
> >xenophobia
> > > that led to the demise of Bedie also led to the downfall of Guei. One
> >would
> > > have thought that Gbagbo will not fall into the same trap. But like
the
> > > typical African leader he is, he cannot save himself from himself. He
> >will
> > > push his luck to the brink, trampling on people as long as he can get
> >away
> > > with it. These leaders are not motivated by what is fair and good for
> >the
> > > people. Instead they are more preoccupied by what is going to
perpetuate
> > > them in power. It is selfish of Gbagbo to ask Ivorians to leave him in
> >power
> > > because if they don't, there would be war in the country. That is
> >blackmail.
> > > The presidency is not his birth-right and he has to earn in.
> >Participating
> > > in an election where more than half of the electorate boycotted the
> > > elections, does not suffice. People like Gbagbo, Guei, Yaya etc. ought
> >to
> >be
> > > ashamed of themselves. Nelson Mandela spent the best part of his life
> > > fighting injustice in his country. Talk about earning a presidency.
Yet
> >the
> > > man was even reluctant to be the leader of the ANC. Oliver Tambo had
to
> > > literally beg him to assume the leadership of the ANC. After assuming
> >the
> > > ANC leadership, did we hear him saying that he should be automatically
> > > crowned as president of South Africa? The man participated in a free
> > > elections and shared with De Klerk. When he became president, did we
> >witness
> > > him changing the rules so that he can remain president for the rest of
> >his
> > > life? The man left office voluntarily. These are the standards we
should
> >set
> > > for our leaders. They should be honorable men that are prepared to do
> >what
> > > is right for the people and not follow their own selfish agendas that
> >often
> > > end up visiting misery on their people.
> > > Again, since am not in Abidjan and cannot really gauge the mood of the
> > > country, I will give Gbagbo benefit of the doubt. It is more important
> >to
> > > save Ivorian lives than to fight Gbagbo on grounds of principle.
Having
> >said
> > > that, I must say that I have lost all respect for this man. If I were
in
> >his
> > > position, I will first of all tell my supporters that violence is not
an
> > > option. I will revise the Constitution and repeal the unfair
provisions.
> >I
> > > will form a government of national unity (where all the political
> >parties
> > > will participate) and then hold an elections re-run in three months.
> > > Alternatively, they can let technocrats (that will be forbidden from
> >running
> > > for office in the coming elections) run the government while
politicians
> > > campaign for a re-run in a month's time. That is the fair thing to do.
> > > Thanks again Mr. Sanneh for your contributions. If only we had men of
> > > integrity like your humble self running our African nations, we would
> >not
> >be
> > > in the troubles we now find ourselves. I might not agree with the
> >cautious
> > > approach towards Gbagbo, but I respect your stand so long as it is
borne
> >out
> > > of concern for the ordinary Ivorian.
> > > KB
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Sidi M Sanneh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Ivory Coast: Reflections on people power
> > > >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:26 GMT
> > > >
> > > >Mr. Dampha,
> > > >
> > > >My initial reaction to Barnaby Phillips' report aired yesterday was
> >similar
> > > >to yours. However, I am willing to give Gbagbo's government which is
> > > >barely
> > > >a week old a chance to get to know his way around the bureacracy he
has
> > > >inherited. Certainly, there are many old hands of the former Bedie
and
> > > >Guei
> > > >regimes still around. How long they will remain in Gbagbo's regime is
> >any
> > > >body's guess. The moment of truth will be the December legislative
> > > >elections. Should Ouattara's party and the PDCI win the majority of
> >seats
> > > >as many political pundits believe, then Gbagbo will be left with
little
> > > >choice but to compromise in one form or another, including a re-run.
> >Why
> > > >force a re-run now, with all the dangers associated with this option,
> >when
> > > >all the major players seem to be moving toward the middle ground,
> >including
> > > >Ouattara who is seen as the main victim of a scewed electoral
process?
> >The
> > > >stakes are high: not only for CI but for the entire West Africa
region.
> > > >
> > > >Sidi Sanneh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >>Subject: Ivory Coast: Reflections on people power
> > > >>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:08:39 EST
> > > >>
> > > >>See below an article I culled from the BBC. I thought it might
> >interest
> > > >>some
> > > >>of you. Of particular interest to me was the depiction of the
> >hypocrites
> > > >>that seem to survive the turmoil, so far. Since am not in Abidjan, I
> >will
> > > >>defer to Mr. Sanneh and others who seem to think that Gbagbo should
be
> > > >>allowed to benefit from this fiasco. The same shenanigans that led
to
> >the
> > > >>demise of Bedie and Guei will also destroy Gbagbo. I hope I am
wrong,
> >for
> > > >>the sake of the ordinary Ivorians. If we all agree that the October
> > > >>elections are flawed, then the fair thing to do is to call a re-run.
> > > >>Otherwise, we are just postponing the inevitable. I heard one of
> >Gbagbo's
> > > >>supporters on BBC the other day saying that the Outtarra myth was
just
> > > >>Western propaganda and that Ouattarra is not that popular in Ivory
> >Coast.
> > > >>If
> > > >>that is the case, Gbagbo should not fear elections.
> > > >>KB
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>>_______________________________________________________________________
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>By Barnaby Phillips in Abidjan
> > > >>The very best and the very worst of humanity were so vividly on
> >display
> >in
> > > >>the main Ivorian city, Abidjan, this past week that I shall never
> >forget
> > > >>it.
> > > >>
> > > >>When growing tensions finally exploded, I spent much of my time,
> >crouched
> > > >>by
> > > >>the window of the BBC office, so conveniently located in the very
> >centre
> > > >>of
> > > >>the city.
> > > >>
> > > >>We watched in awe as the crowds marched towards the soldiers on the
> > > >>streets
> > > >>below.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sometimes the soldiers fired over their heads, but sometimes they
> >fired
> > > >>right into their ranks - live ammunition.
> > > >>
> > > >>The crowds would fall as each volley was fired, wait a moment, and
> >then
> > > >>rise
> > > >>and carry on walking.
> > > >>
> > > >>Except that we could see that after each volley, not everyone got
up -
> >a
> > > >>few
> > > >>just lay still.
> > > >>
> > > >>It was this courage that carried the crowds forward, right to the
> >gates
> >of
> > > >>the presidential palace, and forced military leader General Robert
> >Guei
> > > >>into
> > > >>an ignominious and hurried departure.
> > > >>
> > > >>Reality
> > > >>
> > > >>The following day, with the general gone, and the real winner of the
> > > >>elections, Laurent Gbagbo, ready to be sworn in as president, we
were
> > > >>confronted with a much uglier and more complicated reality.
> > > >>
> > > >>Now we were out on the streets, driving through neighbourhoods
devoid
> >of
> > > >>all
> > > >>signs of life except for the ominous sight of gangs of young men
> >guarding
> > > >>each junction ahead.
> > > >>
> > > >>They carried clubs, and their faces were covered in war paint, and
> >they
> > > >>would order us to stop.
> > > >>
> > > >>These were many of the same youths who had defied the bullets the
day
> > > >>before
> > > >>- now they were hunting down supporters of Laurent Gbagbo's great
> >rival,
> > > >>Alassane Ouattara, who had enraged them with his call for new
> >elections.
> > > >>
> > > >>"We are patriots and intellectuals, fighting a noble cause" one man
> >said
> > > >>to
> > > >>me, as he checked whether passing vehicles were carrying anyone from
> >the
> > > >>north of the country, which is Mr Ouattara's power-base.
> > > >>
> > > >>Any northerner discovered was lucky to be stripped naked and
beaten -
> > > >>dozens
> > > >>were clubbed to death.
> > > >>
> > > >>Africa's Milosevic?
> > > >>
> > > >>Typically African you might say - that the heroism of a
Belgrade-style
> > > >>people's uprising should degenerate so rapidly into that grim but
> >familiar
> > > >>scenario of a vicious ethnic conflict.
> > > >>
> > > >>Well, perhaps, although there are plenty of people in Africa who
will
> > > >>argue
> > > >>that if the Balkan wars weren't tribal, then what on earth were
they?
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm not quite sure whether General Robert Guei is Africa's
Milosevic,
> >as
> > > >>some of the banners held up by the crowd suggested.
> > > >>
> > > >>The two men share a lust for power, which made them utterly
> >indifferent
> >to
> > > >>the disastrous consequences of their actions for their respective
> > > >>countries.
> > > >>
> > > >>But General Guei never really seemed like a man in control.
> > > >>
> > > >>The evening before he was overthrown, we gathered in the
presidential
> > > >>palace
> > > >>for an extraordinary press conference.
> > > >>
> > > >>Just an hour earlier, the military had forcibly dissolved the
> >electoral
> > > >>commission, which was giving out results suggesting that General
Guei
> >had
> > > >>lost.
> > > >>
> > > >>Pushing his luck
> > > >>
> > > >>This was more then he could take - he accused the commission of
> > > >>incompetence, and produced his own set of results, which gave him
> >victory.
> > > >>
> > > >>It was outrageous, and the general had pushed his luck too far.
> > > >>
> > > >>Outside the palace central Abidjan was already deserted, as people
> >rushed
> > > >>home, fearing the worst.
> > > >>
> > > >>Across the river, in the poorer suburbs, the barricades were already
> >going
> > > >>up.
> > > >>
> > > >>But in the palace, the General was thanking the people for their
wise
> > > >>selection, and promising to do the job to the best of his modest
> > > >>abilities.
> > > >>
> > > >>The crowd of cronies and sycophants sang the national anthem, and
the
> > > >>General left the room.
> > > >>
> > > >>He's not been seen in public since.
> > > >>
> > > >>Plus ca change
> > > >>
> > > >>I marvelled at the stupidity of his closest supporters, and wondered
> >what
> > > >>would happen to them in the tumultuous hours that were bound to
> >follow.
> > > >>
> > > >>In fact, it was me who was being naïve.
> > > >>
> > > >>Two days later, in that same palace, the world had turned upside
down,
> >and
> > > >>yet nothing had changed.
> > > >>
> > > >>Laurent Gbagbo, for years seen as little more than a rabble-rouser
off
> >the
> > > >>street, was being sworn in as the new president.
> > > >>
> > > >>His wife could not hold back her tears.
> > > >>
> > > >>And there, in the room, were many of the same men, their faces
beaming
> > > >>with
> > > >>smiles, who had stood beside General Guei two nights earlier.
> > > >>
> > > >>The impossibly suave Armenian, who has somehow made himself
> >indispensable
> > > >>to
> > > >>everyone who rules Ivory Coast. And Brigadier-General Mattius Due,
who
> >had
> > > >>quickly transformed himself from hard-man in the military junta, to
> >army
> > > >>chief-of-staff, serving a democratic government.
> > > >>
> > > >>And perhaps that is the real lesson of all revolutions, be they in
> >Africa
> > > >>or
> > > >>in Yugoslavia.
> > > >>
> > > >>For all the gun-shots, smoke and drama, the really powerful people
> >remain
> > > >>discreetly in the background, and, once the crowds have dispersed,
> >quickly
> > > >>pick up where they left off.
> > > >>
> > >
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