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Hi Sister Ginny, it is good always to hear you. You do have a knack for  
milking a cow dry. I need to keep my correo from you. Ask Yero for  translation:
 
"Hello, perhaps I should say that theSIC, in its current form,  should
not have any authority to say anything about hte Qur'an!"  Ginny.
 
I  say they should jettision the [Supreme], reorganise to form a veritable  
Islamic Council of Gambia, without government participation, and continue as 
the  authoritative body governing the affairs of Gambia Muslims.
 
"If  they can let Jammeh use it in such a blasphemous way, i.e. holding it 
while  rubbing oitment on semi-nude women, etc., and otherwise use it in his 
"curing"  episodes, and also otherwise use Islam to further entrech
himself (why isn't  the SIC saying anything about all of that?) then turn 
around and say that the  Ahmadiyya can't translate it and that all Islamic 
matters go through them, to me  that is hypocritical!" Ginny.

 
Ginny, while I'm tempted to agree with you, in all fairness, the SIC does  
not and will not have control over what individual adherents do. That is the  
purview of Allah. Where I agree with you is that they should discourage Yahya  
from using the religion to propagate his ideas. That is a conflict of interest. 
 Yahya however did not and will not translate the Qur'an. That is where the  
Islamic Council of Gambia will deliberate. I understand our disdain for Yahya 
in  some measure, but it is Yahya's freedom to be a muslim or feign being a 
muslim  as it is any adherent's privilege. Feigning could be viewed as one 
station in  the journey toward Islam.
 
"If  you are going to be an organization who oversees *all* Islamic affairs," 
 Ginny.
 
We  cannot have an Islamic council of Gambia that oversees all Islamic 
affairs. Such  is beyond their mandate and scope. The Islamic COuncil of Gambia has 
a mandate  only to the extent of the Gambia Islamic Charter. If there is none, 
all  religions operating in Gambia must be required by the state to have a 
charter.  The Councils, in accordance with that charter, will oversee the life 
of  their religion in Gambia. Not in the USA, nor in Bally Kiss Angel.
 
"then you have to speak out against things, even if it's against your own  
President!" Ginny.
 
Any  muslim or christian, or Ahmadiyya, or Mormon, or Hindi, can speak out  
against things. The religious Councils oversee the lives of their religions  in 
accordance with their various charters. Translation of any religion's text  
affects that religion's very life directly.
 
"I'm not addressing the Ahmadiyya, etc., and who does, or doesn't have a  
right to translate the Qur'an." Ginny.
 
Yes. I understood. However, what you address is the authority of an  Islamic 
Council of Gambia. The Quran is real property in  that relationship. You 
should perhaps encourage them to live their worth  for that will be good for them. 
But on the immediate heels of the Ahmadiyya's  trespass to relieve them of 
authority is counter-productive to me if you  believe the Ahmadiyya should not 
have translated the Qur'an into any language in  Gambia. Remember the Ahmadiyya 
is free to go to another nation where other  religion's don't exist and market 
their translated Qur'an. They will be governed  by their charter in that 
nation and since that nation does not have spiritual  corporations, their charter 
there should have broad latitude until  Islam and Christianity find their way 
over there. I think you understand what  I'm saying. It is not really because 
of the SIC that the Ahmadiyya SHOULD  NOT translate the Qur'an in Gambia. It 
is the relationships of the missionary  charters, coupled with cadence and 
circumspect, that prevents them from  doing so.
 
"If  the SIC should be the sole body who over seems Islamic matters in The 
Gambia,  then should every country have an Islamic body?" Ginny.
 
YES. I'm glad you asked this possibly rhetoric question. Everywhere there  
are muslims, christians, mormons, adventists, they should have a governing  
council or body. Think of a corporation with a board of directors or officers.  It 
will not have been a corporation. The articles of incorporation is the common 
 document that guides the relationships of entities of people.
 
"If  we here in the US, can translate Islamic texts, without an overseeing 
body, than  why not The Gambia? Ginny.
 
1.  We here in the U.S. cannot translate the Qur'an or Bible or the Book of 
Mormons  without proper authority. We'll be sued out of our pockets or be  
killed.
 
2.  I think you have Islamic COuncils and Christian coalitions and Councils 
in each  County or seat of government where they operate as a missionary 
entity. Not that  I could care less, but Check it out further. You also have a 
proliferation  of non-denominational enterprises and their governing bodies. Have 
you heard of  a new TRANSLATION of any of the books anywhere in the U.S? We 
must not confuse  the Qur'an, Bible, Book of Mormons, with their respective 
accessorial texts you  see.
 
3.  The U.S. is not The Gambia. They have different constitutions.
 
"In  my mind, the SIC has lost all moral authority to oversee anything 
Islamic or  otherwise!" Ginny.
 
Ginny I agree with you that the SIC does not command as much MORAL  authority 
as they could. But they still have legal authority in Gambia according  to 
their charter. Now if an Islamic COuncil is formed while the SIC is still  
constituted, the SIC is dead. That is why I encourage them to disband, drop the  
Supreme, and reconstitute sans state participation, into The Islamic Council of  
Gambia. That still does not affect due-diligence on the part of the  
Ahmadiyya.
 
"That is what I'm trying to say, because when they allow one thing but  want 
to disallow something else, then that's hypocrisy, and we all know that  
hypocrisy is worse than disbelief!" Ginny.
 
I  agree wholeheartedly with you. I hasten to add that moral value, or 
allowing and  disallowing, are all passive attributes and are subjective. They 
cannot guide  constitutional and legal dispensation. They can however guide 
discretionary  adjudication by practitioners of law and honourable judges  everywhere.
 
"Perhaps if the SIC had been doing its job thoroughly and not showing  favor 
by letting Jammeh misuse Islam, the Qur'an, etc., then I'd feel  differently 
about the issue!" Ginny.
 
That is what I share. Any individual's misuse of any religion is not the  
purview of the religion's council. Besides, the supreme council of all religions  
is Divine CounSel. The religions make the determination each time an  
activity threatens the life of the religion and its missionary work, and they  
challenge or ignore the threat accordingly. Translation of the Qur'an rose to  the 
level of threatening the life of Islam in Gambia that is why they challenged  
it. And coming from the Ahmadiyya adds a further threat of disorder in 
religious  life and eveangelism in Gambia. That is why it is also of interest to  
Christians. Now if it were an individual without charter or religion, who  
translates the Qur'an and or Bible, the religions might very well ignore it  even 
though it will be illegal. What will possess anyone to translate the  founding 
book of any religion when they could publish their own books  to obtain 
missionary charter?????
 
"But these people have shown no authority and have no leg to stand on  
regarding the Ahmadiyya!" Ginny.
 
Trust me Ginny I understand your chagrin. However, I think you're letting  
your disdain for Yahya lure you into throwing away the baby and the bath water  
along with it. Remember it is not the authority of the SIC against the 
Ahmadiyya  per se. I know it seems so for religious fervour sakes. This is a legal 
matter  of the propriety of the Ahmadiyya's actions vis-a-vis the health of 
Islam and  Christianity and Mormonism, and Adventism. Total Religion and  
Evangelism.
 
[But I guess since Jammeh's "healing" people and he's a "Muslim" while  
"those Ahmadis are just kafirs", well, then I guess the SIC is OK!]  Ginny.
 
NO.  You got it all convoluted. Yahya has not healed anyone yet so far as I 
can  discern and I think Yahya will be the first to tell you that if you were 
to  speak with him. Yahya's being a muslim is neither my purview nor is it  
significant to me as a muslim just as much as my Islam is not Yahya's purview  
nor bother. I would not call the Ahmadis Kaffirs for I do not know what a Kaffir 
 looks like or does. I don't think you believe these things you're saying  
immediately above either. The SIC's health is not related to these notions or  
opinions nor is it related to the health of any one Muslim. The Islamic or  
CHristian councils are not hinged to the rights and proclivities of adherents.  
They are governing bodies overseeing their charter and attendant privileges. 
The  Islamic and Christian Ummah's wrath is enough to dispense with nuisance  
threats.
 
"I  wonder why no one seems to be calling the SIC out on their hypocrisy!  
The  only reason I can come up with is that the other erstwhile commentors 
dislike  the Ahmadiyyas *more* than they dislike Jammeh's misuse of Islamic symbols 
(and  the SIC's seeming endorsement of it by not speaking out against it!)"  
Ginny.
 
You  are expanding this much more than it need be. Consider that the 
hypocrisy of the  SIC is not significant to commentators on religion. But that the 
actions of the  SIC that run counter to their charter or that unduly affect the 
charters of the  other religions is what is significant. There is no compulsion 
in  religion.
 
"Listen, I'm not sure that I agree with having a Supreme Islamic Concil  
anyway, as Sunni Muslims (as Gambinas are to my knowledge) don't have any kind  of 
"hierarchy" like other religious groups do.  However, if
there is  going to be a religious body drawn up to supervise the religious 
affairs of the  communities they are seeking to serve, then they need to be 
neutral, impartial,  and not in bed with the current political leadership nor 
seeking to curry favor  withthem, or displaying sycophancy toward them!" Ginny.
 
That will be good for them. I ascend to your advice to the SUpreme  COuncils 
everywhere.
 
"Thus, my conclusion that the SIC, in its current incarnation, has no  right 
or moral authority to tell the Ahmadiyya anything," GInny.
 
They could challenge the Ahmadiyya in a court of law should they  feel their 
religion's health and the health of the missionary conclave is  illegaly 
dis-eased.
 
"unless and until they speak out against other ills they see!   Regarding the 
traditional Eid visits, that would be a perfect time to advise  Jammeh! 
That's all I'm saying!  If  people want to support Jammeh's  misuse of Islam, 
indirectly albeit, by supporting the SIC, just because the SIC  is speaking out 
against someone or something that they don't particualrly like,  then go right 
ahead!  I'd like to know why people weren't speaking out when  those videos of 
Jammeh came out and he was supposedly "curing" people, with  recitations of the 
Qur'an playing in the background!  I didn't see anyone  speak out then!  And 
to me that's just plain hypocrisy, pure and simple!"  Ginny.
 
I  don't think I can keep up with you Sis/SIC. I give up. Just kiddin'
 
Your Brother in Islam. Masoud. MQDT. Darbo. Al Mu'Umin.




On 12/8/07, Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>
> Karim,
>
> I go a long way with  Haruna's argument on the matter.
>
>
> I said it here before  that tolerance and acceptance has its limits to where
> it must be  tolerable and acceptable. Beyond that, it is a criminal act for
> one to  intentionally twist the holy verses. It is as well a criminal act to
>  fold your hands in the name of 'tolerance' and 'acceptance' to watch  
anyone
> twist the holy verses. It becomes even more criminal to endorse  their
> efforts in altering the verses. This vindicates the quranic verse  that
> challenged all those that disbelief in it, to produce verses of  their own,
> resembling what was given to the noble prophet to  deliver.
>
>
>  http://www.iladinolong.com/lectures/abdullah/abdullah.html
>
>
>  Now here is the truth to the matter. When I asked where does true
>  'tolerance' lie, I meant to say what indication of Ghulam's books showed
>  tolerance and acceptance of others' faith. In the links provided above,  
the
> honorable Imam Fatty quoted from Ghulam's own books. If these quotes  are to
> go by, I see nothing but tales of a misguided religious bigot,  thrilled 
with
> arrogance at the mercy of his own hallucinations-uniting  with God in a bed
> as in intercourse. (Subhanallah a million  times.)  Or that the families of
> Jesus (PBUH) were prostitutes?  (Subhanallah a million times.)
>
>
> They know what to do,  i.e. as was suggested to them. Caprice!!!
>
> I rest my  case.
>
> Yero
>
>
>
>  > Date: Fri,  7 Dec 2007 20:04:31 -0500> From: [log in to unmask]>
> Subject:  Re: The Ahmadiyya: Translation of the Qur'an> To:
>  [log in to unmask]> > > Thank you Karim, you're too kind. I  must
> say once and for all that I value > you, Ousman, and Suntou just  as much if
> not more than you yield from from > association with me. I  cherish the
> comraderie and communion. If I were to be made > aware of  folly or
> inadequacy in any area of our relations, I will not >  hesitate to ammend my
> position and views accordingly. That will be good  for me.> > Thank you all
> once again for enriching all our  lives.> > Haroun, for goodness sakes. 
MQDT.
> Darbo.> > In a  message dated 12/7/2007 5:57:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> >  [log in to unmask] writes:> > Haruna> You are so focus  and
> you digest every peace of what you and agree and > disagree which  makes 
your
> contribution on thematic issues so fertilized and for >  many like myself so
> enlighten. Cross fertilization of ideas enriches  both > academic and
> intellectual debate. Keep it up!> > Haruna  Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:> > "Suntou and Haruna"  Karim.> > Hi Karim, good to hear you.> >
> "Ahmadiyya are  muslims." Karim.> > It would appear so. But I do not want to
> speak  for Muslims or the Ahmadiyya. > Being Muslim, Christian, and or
>  Ahmadiyya is a state of mind. Faith in the > unknown distilled in the  
books
> for missionary exploits.> > "If extremist are using Islam to  justify their
> violence against innocent > people because theological  interpretation of
> islam why not Ahmadiyya none > violent but they  challenge through scholarly
> and intellectualism of the Holy > Quran."  Karim.> > Karim, I donm't think
> the Ahmadiyya wish to be extremist  for extremism > sakes. Besides, if I see
> any extremist translating  the Bible or Qur'an > because > they are
> intellectuals I would  suggest other enterprise for them to yield > more >
> value from  extremism.> > "Suntou belief me or not the Ahmadiyya are very
>  scholarly with both the > Quran and the tradition of the holy Prophet
>  Muhammed(May peace and Blessing > of > Allah be upon him)." Karim.>  > I
> agree with you here Karim. And the Ahmadiyya ought to be  encouraged and >
> supported by the Ahmadiyya in their scholarly  pursuits just as Muslims and 
>
> Christians ought to support and  encourage pursuits in their faiths.> > > 
"We
> are know our  sectarism in Islam but It does not warrant us to called > them
> non  muslims." Karim.> > I agree with you again. In fact non-Ahmadiyya  
ought
> not characterize the > Ahmadiyya as Muslim or non-muslim. That  will make 
for
> religious tolerance. > Sectarianism is the purview of  the Sectarian and I
> discourage Suntou from > such > tendencies  were they to have been apparent
> in him. It is foolhardy.> >  Masoud. No Rashid this time. MQDT. Darbo. Al
> Mutawakkil. This is a legal  > matter that can be pre-enmpted by the
> Ahmadiyya. It will represent  a waste > of > resources in translation but
> that is the honourable  thing to do for the > health > of the Ahmadiyya. 
Such
> activity  will be counterproductive to their > missionary > exploits.>  >
> SUNTOU TOURAY wrote:> Masoud precisely my point as brother mo  said
> earlier.The Pakistani > parliament pass a motion to the points  you raised
> .they advice them to > either come out > clean about  where they belong or
> stop using the name Islam and Muslim on > there  missionary activity ,they
> refuse and then left for England where they  > operate.no one have any 
hidden
> agenda against them ,let them  operate where > ever > they so wish but that
> should be on a  platform like the Bahia ,etc.> The movement was sued in
> Pakistan in  the early 1980's to stop using the name > Islam whilst going
> against  every commandment of the prophet of Islam.no > ill-feeling is
>  intended against them ,we love our fellow country men and > women > who  
are
> ahamadiya but there is a limit we can tolerate .i hope the situation  > is >
> amicably solved.> > Haruna Darbo wrote:> > The  Ahmadiyya must cease and
> desist from translating the Qur'an EVEN IN >  ENGLISH.> They will have to be
> brought before a court of law in every  nation by > Christians and Muslims.
> Christians also because it is  just a matter of time > before > some idiot
> tries to translate the  bible according to his/her own > understanding for
> people who do not  speak English. Translation without > express permission >
> by  appropriate authority, especially with a view to affect intent and >
>  meaning of religion, is a crime. The Islamic council (They should jettison 
 >
> the > Supreme), is the appropriate authority for Gambia  muslims.> > The
> Ahmadiyya ought to write their own scriptures if  they wish to play >
> missionary in Gambia. Then they can translate  those scriptures in any of a 
>
> multitude of languages. The prior and  on-going goodwill and philanthropy of
> > the > Ahmadiyya risks  being tarnished and must not be considered in this 
>
> ill-advised >  encroachment on the health of any other religion. I hope they
> >  un-trans-friggin-late and save us all from anxiety. They must not wait  
for
> > the Islamic council > to advise them of propriety. They have  been 
pioneers
> in propriety. I am very > > disappointed in them.  Barring their conduct in
> propriety, the Islamic > council ought to  file suit for an injunction and a
> withdrawal of their > Gambia >  charter. Each nation's Islamic council 
should
> independently deal with  this > matter: > Senegal, Mali, Ghana, Nigeria,
> Ivory Coast,  Sierra Leone, etcetera. We don't > have time for this.> >
>  Haruna.> > > > In a message dated 12/7/2007 12:39:20 A.M. Mountain  
Standard
> Time, > [log in to unmask] writes:> > Ousman ,even  in the u.s where you
> are based ,religion get hot some times but >  that doesn't mean people are
> intolerant of one of another ,it only  indicate > how some take God's
> business more passionately than  others.just yesterday > the > U.S
> presidential hopeful from Salt  lake city is trying hard to avoid > 
questions
> about his Mormonism  .why should educated,civilise and democratic > America 
>
> be  worrying itself with a Mormon president ?> the guy's name is Mitt  
Romney
> .President Kenny dodge his catholic religion > question all  during his time
> in office why ?He was forced to make a > statement  > that he will not take
> orders from the Vatican .> I am not being  intolerant,i just want clarity in
> things that's all.The > ahamadiya  English Quran usually have the name
> AHAMADIYA TRANSLATION.if that >  is the > case then fine ,no one will get
> deceived.> > Ousman  Ceesay wrote:> Suntou,> > What is troubling to most of
> us on  this issue is the authoritarian way the > SIC is trying to operate.
>  Take this sentence from their press release for > instance:> >  "According 
to
> the release presidential directives have earlier been  issued > to the 
effect
> that there should be no publication or radio  programmes in > Islamic 
matters
> without the approval of the  council."> > So the SIC armed with a
> presidential directive is  demanding that citizens of > a secular nation get
> permission from  them before exercising what is > purportedly an act between
> them and  their God. > > Ginny is right to bring up the hypocrisy factor.
>  Yahya is using the Quran in > his AIDS cure madness. If you watch the  
video,
> you will see him rubbing some > kind of ointment on a  semi-nude woman with
> one hand, while holding the Quran > in the  other.Did you hear a word from
> Bading Drammeh on that issue? However,  > when it comes to the Ahmadis
> translating the Quran and announcing  it's > availability...well how dare
> they? The president said nobody  in the Gambia > can do > that without 
Bading
> and his mighty  Supreme council.> > Meanwhile we have civil rights activist
> like  yourself (Suntou) letting your > theological disagreement with the
>  Ahmadis cloud your judgment in a blatant > case of religious intolerance.> 
 >
> > SUNTOU TOURAY wrote: Ginny,sorry for the misspelling of your  name ,it was
> an > > over-site.Ginny if you are conversant with the  advice of the
> messenger of > Islam concerning scholars dealing with  rulers you will
> realise that the sic > did > not do any thing  wrong by not openly
> confronting our mad president.> > Think back  to many years ago what happen
> in Somalia when scholars try to >  intervene in matters of politics.many
> scholars were killed by the  communist > regime in power and since then
> somalia never have any  respite.again when > scholars > try to get involve 
it
> will the  same media people who will start banging on > about our coveted
>  secularism . In our day and age Islam is label with all > sorts of names  
and
> you want yahya to join that bandwagon? if imam fatty for >  instance start
> using his sermons to castigate yahya ,he will be locked  up > like > hydara
> was locked up.did you heard about Imam Hydara  of airport mosque ? > 
Scholars
> most use Hikma or wisdom in dealing  with sitting leaders.we have >
> politicians who can challenge the  president using the secular constitutions
> > of our > country ,no  problem.to accuse an imam or scholar of being a T
> today is very >  easy > .so yes members of the SIC need to do more when it
> comes to  advising yahya > ,but since when did yahya start listening to any
>  one? yahya knows> he is not suppose do what he is doing .> > on subject  of
> visiting the president in state house on days of eid,that was > a  tradition
> from the days of jawara .the Christan's too visit the  president .> many
> scholars don't get media attention because that is  not news,but the > press
> release was a news item that is why it is  being made a meal out of.our >
> journalist try to distant them self  from religious affairs as much as they 
>
> possably can ,we are a  secular country they say .but in this issue ,human >
> Rights >  ,religious rights,constitutional issue,secularism and the rest of
> the  Geneva > > > conventions comes into play.the papers can write what  
they
> want on this one > and they will get an audience.> Ginny  Quick wrote:>
> Hello, Suntou, OK, now if members of the SIC are seen  openly visiting>
> Jammeh for occasions like Eid, etc., and they don't  take the> opportunity 
to
> advise him on things he is doing wrong (like  using> Islam as a prop in his
> "ability to cure HIV/AIDS", just to  name one> example), not to mention
> possibly even helping him in all  of htis!> And to my knowledge, I've not
> seen any member of the  Supreme Islamic> Counsel speaking out against 
Jammeh!
> Yet at the same  time, they want> to excert some kind of "authority" in who
> and who  doesn't publish> translations of the Qur'an and other Islamic 
texts,
>  I have to conclude> that they prefer to use sleective authority!> > Now  if
> individual members of the council are speaking out against>  Jammeh, that 
can
> only be a good thing, obviously, however I'm not>  aware of it!> > > So to 
my
> mind I'm not "generalizing" as I am  not aware of anyone> "speaking out", 
the
> comment you alluded to was  made by someone> quietly, while the SIC's latest
> pronouncements are  all over the media,> which leaves me with the impression
> that while  some members of the> council probably do speak out against
> Jammeh,  they'd rather do it> quietly, so as not to hurt their position. I
>  mean, if Jammeh controls> all of the appoints right down to the local
>  government councils now,> who's to say he can't just "appoint" people  to
> this council?> > And when I'm referring to the "council" I'm  referring to
> the whole> council, and when the leader of hte council  speaks out, I gather
> that> he's representing *all* of the council,  and if he is not, then the>
> members who disagree with him need to  voice that and not in the way of>
> haivng others speak for htem. In  your example, you did not give a> name, a
> time, or a place, the  person you referred to, as far as making> any public
> statements, has  not done so! It's only an anecdotal> statement of "well I
> know  someone who's a member of the council who> doesn't support Jammeh".
>  That is all well and good, but when you have> the "leader" of the SIC  
making
> a statement, I would assume that he is> speaking for the whole  concil,
> unless there is antoher public> statement to the  contrary!> > BTW, I love
> how my name gets mis-spelled even though  it's right there> in the header of
> my message, but anyway.> >  Your points are well-taken, but I am not in 
total
> agreement iwth  them.> > Ginny> > > > On 12/6/07, SUNTOU TOURAY wrote:>  >
> HARUNA,THIS IS NOT ABOUT RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE.the Christan's have  there> >
> council that over see the interest of the Gambian  Christians and the >
> Muslims> > also have there own council.the  ahamadiya should apply for there
> own > council> > to represent  them in matters like this.but they don't wish
> to do that ,they> >  intend to operate like a green snake on a green grass
> .if they so wish  to > be> > under there own command the constitution allows
> them  that privilege.let > them> > apply for there own authority which  will
> not inter-fare with the rest of > the> > non-ahamadiya  followers.> > as for
> Genny ,the usual accusation at sic is mostly  wrong allegations.no> > one is
> perfect.if some members approve  jammeh ,there are many who openly> > speak
> against him and his  military machinery.lets not discredit our > scholars> >
> for  political point.in-fact ,during my stay in the Gambia recently ,a>  >
> scholar was ask to refrain from mentioning politics but his answer  was >
> ''GOD> > DON'T CARE WHO THE RULER IS ,SINCE THAT RULER  HIMSELF IS SUBJECT 
TO
> GOD'S> > RULE ''.he also made a great speech  against the military .he 
advice
> them to> > stop harassing fellow  citizens and any such maltreatment of 
human
> beings> > warrant  god's wrath.so not all scholars are genuine but not all 
of
> us are>  > genuine also.this man is called Bakawsu Fofana .his samon can be
>  access on> > www.iladinolong.com .> >> > Haruna Darbo  wrote:> > Ladies &
> Gentlemen, Colleagues,> >> > I  have followed the discussion on the apparent
> disagreement between  the> > Supreme Islamic Council and the Ahmadiyya for
> the latter's  translation of> > the> > Qur'an into some of our local
>  languages. I must say I was both disappointed> > and> > confounded  in some
> of the submissions.> >> > In my opinion, The  Ahmadiyya are a missionary
> group like the Islamic > Council> >  and the Christian council. They all vie
> for the spiritual life of  Gambians.> > Since Gambia is not an Islamic
> republic, this matter  seems to me a public> > policy conundrum than 
anything
> else.  Citizens must not war over a public> > policy> > mistake. The  policy
> makers ought to make the policy right and consider the> >  debilitating
> effect of bad policy decisions on the citizenry.>  >> > 1. The Islamic
> Council must not be given the title "The  Supreme Islamic> > Council".> >> >
> 2. The Ahmadiyya,  like the Christian Brotherhood, and their governing> >
> councils  must never come under the purview of the Islamic Council without> 
 >
> their> > acquiescence, and if I have any common sense at all,  they will
> never, and> > rightfully so.> >> > 3. To  foster religious fraternity and
> harmony, A "Council on Religion" >  ought> > to be created with equal
> representatives from all  religions, even the> > religions founded or to be
> founded by  Gambians.> >> > 4. Gambia is a nation of religious tolerance  
and
> freedom of religion. It > is> > a bad idea to feign  preference for Islam. I
> am a muslim and I prefer the> > Islamic  Lifestyle. However, to be a true
> muslim, I must recognize the> >  freedoms of> > people of other faiths.
> Someone accepted the  Ahmadiyya and Christian> > brotherhoods as 
missionaries
> in Gambia.  They have done a lot of selfless> > good. They> > do not  force
> anyone to convert. The Islamic brotherhood must follow the>  > example of
> these other religions and remain honest to the divine  spirit. It> > is not>
> > decided that Islam is the best  religion for anyone's salvation. If we
> give> > the Islamic Council  free reign over our spiritual lives at the
> expense of> > other>  > spiritual nourishment, we will live to regret it and
> die to proceed  to> > hellfire.> >> > Laa Hawala walaa khuwwata, Illa
>  Billaah, Li-Aliyyul Atheem.> >> > Haroun Masoud. MQDT Darbo. Al  
Mutawakkil.
> If Islam is the best religion for> > salvation, I  would like Allah,
> subhaanahu wa-ta aala, to take my life > before>  > I awake in the morn.> >>
> > Thank you.> >> >  Haroun Masoud> >> >> >> >
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