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"Habib Ghanim, Sr" <[log in to unmask]>
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TIME OUT FOLKS
Let us talk with each other not against each other , Please
Habib Diab Ghanim, Sr

saul khan wrote:

> Yusupha,
>
> Take a hint: declare "victory" and move on. Tell your boys you've won or
> whatever. I'm really trying to temper my responses because of the Ramadan,
> but you're pushing the envelop. You've called me Nigger twice now. You've
> also called me ignorant and a bigot. Fine. All - just for describing MY
> experiences.
>
> Omar Drammeh has also stated very clearly where he is coming from. And like
> the All-knowing, Most-Travlled person you are, you've declared him
> "unqualified" to speak about America. This man is talking about what
> HAPPENED TO HIM -not what he has read about somewhere! What type of forum is
> this, if people cannot talk about their experiences? You find that to be
> bigotted, ignorant, or stereotyping, fine. You're entitled to that.
>
> But, for your own sake, you better move on. Because if you continue this
> charade, you'll be VERY SORRY. This is not a threat. It's just the way it's
> gonna be. You attack me one more time, and you'll be sorry!
>
> Saul.
>
> >From: Yusupha Jow <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Yusufa: Re: ON BIGOTRY AND STEREOTYPING
> >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:51:20 EST
> >
> >Mr. Khan,
> >I would not refer to a protest against something that I feel strongly about
> >as childish.  Hardly! This is surely not the first time people have either
> >protested against or stood up to bigots. And this will surely not be the
> >last
> >time. Also, to err is human and it takes a better man or woman to admit so.
> >All the name calling is unwarranted.
> >
> >As was stressed in my earlier piece, it is certain that there are unsavory
> >characters in NY.  There are unpleasant people everywhere.  But to
> >stereotype
> >a whole section of the population because of a handful of negative
> >incidents
> >that you have experienced is rather ignorant.  I have been to the Bronx and
> >many other black neighborhoods under a variety of different circumstances
> >and
> >never experienced a negative incident. Now, what makes me so different from
> >you?  We both have a thick Gambian accent, dress and look a bit different.
> >So we stand out.  Yet, you still think that those that beat you up chose to
> >do so because they hate Africans and everything black?  Give me a break,
> >Saul!  There has to be more to your story.  Everything that you have stated
> >is your own opinion and  does not hold true for everyone.  Therefore, when
> >you start making blanket statements, stereotypes and assumptions, your
> >views
> >start to become bigoted and ignorant.
> >
> >Anyway, you still have not produced any evidence that your use of the word
> >is
> >justified.  Except that you have chosen to use the a derogatory term to
> >define a whole subsection of the population.  You can use the word all you
> >want and also twist the definition to justify its use, but the definition
> >of
> >a bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own
> >opinions and prejudices.  You certainly fit this definition based on your
> >thoughts.
> >
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