Saiks, good advise to your boy. As you know, I do NOT take prisoners.
KB
>From: saikss <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:40:10 +0100
>
>Sidebeh,
>
>Please do us a favour and Ignor KB,some of us are enjoying reading you.His
>chest pounding infantile behavour is no interesting political substance.The
>30
>years of the brutal political oppression and economic mismanagement of the
>PPP
>regime is not a history invented but the activity of life human beings.KB
>is
>part of those who made this dirty history of our dear Country, that he is
>said to be Kebba Jallow,is enough to draw the lines,there is a dialectical
>developement of every objective political and economic situation,this
>simple
>political understanding needs no big interlectual head to understand.
>
>For Freedom
>Saiks
>
>
>
>
> >===== Original Message From The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]> =====
> >Sidibeh, you make me laugh. I did NOT know you were this terrified of me.
> >Get a grip, boy. I will NOT do anything to you; BUT make you accountable
>for
> >your utterances on G_L. Reread my posting to you yesterday that is making
> >you so worked up. It only attacked what you wrote on G_L. I do NOT care
>who
> >you are or where you are from. Makes no difference to me. I do NOT know
>you
> >and NEVER heard of you before I came to G_L. Since you decided to run
>with
> >your tail in between your legs this time, I will let you go. Keep having
> >nightmares that you are dealing with a knight in shining armor (steel
>mask).
> >I CANNOT do anything about that your predicament. But as I told you, you
> >start obsessing about PPP and lying about Gambian history, I will be on
>your
> >back like an ‘overbearing tortoise’ (whatever that means). I wonder what
> >makes you think that whining about me will free you from me and give you
> >license to tell lies on G_L.
> >
> >You are so funny. Frankly, I NEVER thought I was this scary to remind you
> >about a ‘vulgar cartoon on MTV’ with all the gory details you gave us.
>You
> >should stop watching those kids’ shows and get your act together. I will
> >ignore your other comments for now and deal with you again when you sober
> >up.
> >KB
> >
> >
> >>From: Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >><[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
> >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:54:05 +0100
> >>
> >>Kebba "Daafa" Dampha!!
> >>
> >>In a vulgar cartoon on MTV, Celebrity Deathmatch, Marilyn Manson carries
>a
> >>whizzing chainsaw and slices off Madonna's neck. Your behaviour on this
> >>list reminds me of that sort of customized bloodletting!! Once again,
>Kukoi
> >>and his men were a horrendous nigthmare! and MOJA had written in detail
> >>about that elsewhere, many times!!! So, you have a Senegalese friend
>who's
> >>gone mad because of what happened to him in Gambia? That is just too
> >>unfortunate.
> >>It also happened that when the lifeless body of one of our best
>musiscians,
> >>Pa Njai 'Base' of the IfangBondi was driven into the depot, I was there.
> >>Half his skull had been blown away by a Senegalese soldier! A small
>group
> >>of armed Gambian field force mad at the sight of Pa Njai's dripping
>brains,
> >>rushed out three Senegalese soldiers they had captured in battle, lined
> >>them against a wall and cocked their weapons for a summary execution,
>right
> >>on the spot! Kukoi immediately intervened and saved their lives.
> >>
> >>Instead of seriously pondering over what went wrong with your
>nonsensical
> >>predictions about "Jammeh is Finished", I see that you are still
> >>ridiculously hanging on to your UDP/PPP warlordism. No, you cannot get
>me
> >>into debating with you this cheaply. If that is what you want, you will
> >>have to prove you are not a severe coward, tirelessly billowing so much
> >>gushing prattle on Gambia-L.
> >>
> >>You will have to go through a Bessemer Process ( a steel bath - Swedes
> >>call it), get laundered and perfumed, and shed that heavy and
>overbearing
> >>tortoise shell of yours. Earlier on we called this list a Bantaba; and
>no
> >>one goes to the Bantaba wearing a heavy steel mask My name is Momodou
> >>Sidibeh and I am from Kartong. Wha's yours and where are you from? Tell
>me,
> >>and we can then talk the talk! Otherwise, as far as you are concerned,
>I'm
> >>gone!
> >>
> >>Momodou S Sidibeh,
> >>Stockholm/Kartong.
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Dampha Kebba" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 8:35 PM
> >>Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
> >>
> >>
> >> > Karamba, thanks for your astute observations and pointing out the
>sloppy
> >>job
> >> > Sidibeh did in trying to rewrite Gambian history; yet he is the first
> >>person
> >> > to accuse people of doing just that. I mean, how can anybody profess
>to
> >>be
> >> > giving an unbiased account about Gambian history surrounding the
>events
> >>of
> >> > the 1981 and not point out the despicable and irresponsible behavior
>of
> >> > criminals like Kukoi Samba Sanyang that sought to ILLEGALLY overthrow
>a
> >> > democratically elected government? Should Sidibeh be taken seriously?
>Do
> >>I
> >> > detect someone who is so obsessed with PPP that his view about
>Gambian
> >> > history is clouded?
> >> >
> >> > It is good that some put Sidibeh's thesis in perspective. No matter
>what
> >> > reservations people had against the Jawara regime of 1981, Gambia was
>an
> >> > independent nation with laws. Those laws said that if someone wanted
>to
> >> > overthrow the government, they had to do so through the ballot box.
>Does
> >> > anyone have the right to think that because most Gambians cannot read
>or
> >> > write English, real Democracy cannot thrive in the country and
>therefore
> >>it
> >> > is justifiable for a bunch of thugs to overthrow the government
>through
> >>the
> >> > use of force? This argument is ludicrous. Who told Sidibeh that
> >>Democracy
> >> > can only be implemented through the medium of English? It is this
>type
> >>of
> >> > condescension I cannot stand from these people that think they know
> >>better
> >> > than the Gambian folks and they need to teach and empower people.
>People
> >>do
> >> > NOT have to go to school to know who to vote for. By the same token,
> >> > education in English does NOT guarantee that people are going to make
> >>sound
> >> > decisions at polling booths. People like Sidibeh's comrade (Sarjo
> >>Jallow)
> >> > have all the education Gambia can offer. They still vote for child
> >>murderers
> >> > and thieves to stay in office. How did Jallow's 'education' help him
>to
> >>fare
> >> > better than say the poor farmer in URD that LIVES the plight of
>farmers
> >>in
> >> > the country and decided to vote for the Opposition? What 'education'
> >>does
> >> > for the vermin back home, is to give them jargon to rationalize
>murder
> >>and
> >> > mayhem. Their 'education' help them to bamboozle gullible Gambians to
> >>think
> >> > that it is better to stand child murderers than vote Darboe in
>because
> >> > Darboe 'might' bring back the PPP folks.
> >> >
> >> > Darn right we will NOT sit idle and allow Sidibeh to portray the
>bandits
> >> > that partook in the 1981 rebellion as some patriots 'saving' our
>country
> >> > from foreign invaders. Talk about rewriting history. The man would
> >>rather
> >> > give space to some ridiculous rumor about Ebou Taal than address the
> >>roles
> >> > of criminals like Kukoi Sanneh and Pap Cheyassin Secka and Simon
>Talibo
> >> > Sanneh. What is wrong with this man? Did Sidibeh care about the
>numerous
> >> > Senegalese citizens that lost their lives trying to save Gambian
>lives?
> >> > NOTHING about that in his postings. To this day I have a Senegalese
> >>friend
> >> > that is mentally ill from the trauma these poor soldiers faced
>fighting
> >>an
> >> > indiscipline bunch of bandits that did NOT respect the rules of the
> >> > battle-field. This is simply sick. What responsible revolutionary
>would
> >>free
> >> > (criminals) prisoners and give them arms and ammunition and unleash
>them
> >> > unto innocent citizens? Kukoi and his gang of bandits were committing
>a
> >> > crime (trying to illegally overthrow the government of the day). The
> >>then
> >> > president exercised his constitutionally mandated duty to invite a
> >>friendly
> >> > country (since we did not have an army then) to stop the crime. Now
> >>Sidibeh
> >> > wants history to record that the criminals that brought anarchy to
>the
> >> > country are patriots fighting foreign invaders? And when you asked
>him
> >>about
> >> > his gaps the man arrogantly told you that the matter was dealt with
>in
> >>some
> >> > publication in 1994. A lot of the things he said in his piece are NOT
> >>news.
> >> > They have been dealt with before. Yet he felt the need to talk about
> >>them
> >> > now. I guess it is OK when the matter is unfavorable to PPP. But when
>it
> >> > comes to pointing out the crimes that were committed against PPP,
> >>Sidibeh
> >> > will conveniently ignore those.
> >> >
> >> > Finally Karamba, I am glad that you made it abundantly clear (at
>least
> >>to
> >> > me) that despite that you are a staunch UDP supporter and you
>supported
> >>the
> >> > Alliance, you by no means condone some of the bad things that PPP did
>in
> >>the
> >> > past and you were at no time advocating that PPP vices should return
>if
> >> > Darboe were to be elected by the Gambian electorate. This is the
>point
> >>we
> >> > tried to drum into the heads of people like Sidibeh, but they simply
> >>would
> >> > NOT get it. We are NOT PPP apologists. Having said that, we will NOT
>sit
> >>by
> >> > and allow people to lie about PPP and in effect portray Yaya as a
> >>'savior'.
> >> > By the same token, we will vehemently protest if people dubiously try
>to
> >> > portray Darboe as a stooge. Thanks again for your contributions. God
> >>help us
> >> > from the 'educated Gambian'.
> >> > KB
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > >Subject: Re: MOJA CASE FILE (1)
> >> > >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:50:53 EST
> >> > >
> >> > >Mr Sidibeh,
> >> > > Thank you very much for a very well written
> >> > >retrospective. I
> >> > >am especially impressed with your sequencing of events and your
> >>perspective
> >> > >of an organization you seem to demonstrably understand and care
>about.
> >> > >While
> >> > >ideologically I am on the opposite side of the spectrum relative to
> >>Moja ,
> >> > >I
> >> > >believe your absence from the body politik from the time of your
> >>inception
> >> > >has diminished our overall democratic experience.Gambia like any
> >>society
> >> > >looking to positively forge ahead has to have it's full compliment
>of
> >>ideas
> >> > >and participants actively involved in the crucial business of
>improving
> >>our
> >> > >society and the lives it's people. I was also struck by the very
>candid
> >> > >reasons you advance for the current near comatose state of Moja. You
> >> > >justifiably apportioned significant blame on the Jawara regimes
> >> > >heavy-handedness and also lethargic leadership from within MOJA. In
>a
> >> > >strange
> >> > >way, both of these reasons point to what I call a destructive
> >>propensity
> >> > >for
> >> > >self preservation deeply embedded in the Gambian psyche. Sending
>field
> >> > >forces
> >> > >to arrest seemingly innocent people espousing new and different
>ideas
> >>was
> >> > >the
> >> > >flawed response of a regime that was much more interested in
>preserving
> >> > >itself than fairly contesting ideas. Similarly the expedient
>judgment
> >>of
> >> > >some
> >> > >of your colleagues to jump into Yahya Jammeh's bandwagon under the
> >>spurious
> >> > >pretext that it was a credible revolution point to the same selfish
> >>streak
> >> > >lurking in the hearts of many a Gambian.There is simply nothing some
> >>people
> >> > >would not do to meet selfish ends. In the process good people and
>good
> >> > >ideas
> >> > >become casualties.
> >> > > I did find two phrases troubling. You said MOJA did not support
> >>the
> >> > >Kukoi
> >> > >coup but it's members went ahead and armed themselvesf to defend
>the
> >> > >country
> >> > >from invading Senegalese soldiers sustaining casualties in the
>process.
> >>I
> >> > >can
> >> > >understand on grounds of nationalism for Moja to characterise the
> >> > >Senegalese
> >> > >as invaders and thus the need to attempt a defense. What troubles me
>is
> >>the
> >> > >fact that you attribute none of the violence that was
>precitipated
> >>by
> >> > >looting and the general breakdown of law and order to Kukoi and the
> >> > >coupists.
> >> > >I do not think Kukoi would strike you as being a responsible
> >>revolutionary
> >> > >whose rhetoric or methods was a prelude to anything but anarchy.
> >>Similarly
> >> > >you stated that Moja opposed the Jammeh coup in principle but
>decided
> >>to
> >> > >offer critical support.Since you did not elaborate on what that
>means
> >>,
> >> > >I'd
> >> > >like to ask for a clarification.Did you mean you supported the coup
> >>just as
> >> > >a
> >> > >tansitionary episode? Do you still support the APRC regime?
> >> > > I look forward to your response
> >> > >Thanks
> >> > >Karamba
> >> > >
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