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Bass,
I seriously wanted to ignore you,it seems you are on a mission: I swear I know that it`s +been a long time since you last tackle "mono" and I am just being told that the TOkolor`s are never known to like "Mono". Keep this in mind,we are too advance to venture through the Anlantic,we have enough bank statements in circulation to make a direct journey. Even you your self know how we make our monies.......through pure sweat,picking up potatoes or tomatos; oh your clansmen,just forget their trade Mark...
 for  freedom
 saiks> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:00:20 +0100> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The road a showdown over illegal migration> To: [log in to unmask]> > I think I owe it to my Sarahuleh clansmen not to allow the mankasoo people> have the last word on this important subject.Despite Mr.Samateh's breast> beating triumphalism,Mr Emmams data supporting his claim have less than one> leg to stand on.Anybody who has been watching Gambia Tv.knows that the> totality of boat people intercepted by agents of the Gambia Police Force> over recent months hail not from the Alongharis of the Gambia ,but Mankanaso> capitals like Alkali Kunda, Jarjari, Sali Kenyeh and the like.Even more> damning than that, eighty percent of the twenty-thousand Gambians resident> in Spain are Badibunkas.That is an outrageous disproportion,considering the> fact that their share of the Gambia population is well below ten> percent.SoEmmams attempt to pin this one on the Sarahulehs is doomed> to failure.> > Regards Basss> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > > On 8/17/07, samateh saikou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> >> > Emman,> > Who are you ? I just did not want to talk,waiting for great people like> > you to tell Bass the real thing.Thanks for doing so.> > For Freedom> > Saiks> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:00:09 +0200> From: [log in to unmask]>> > Subject: Re: The road a showdown over illegal migration> To:> > [log in to unmask]> > Hello Bass Drammeh,> > Thanks, I just to> > help add power to your this point:> > > "Badibunka discovery has made such a> > splash and impact in the Gambia that> even the proverbial money mongers of> > the Gambia,the Sarrahulehs have started contemplating abandoning their> > traditional diamond speculatiing adventures in Congo and Angola for the> > Spanish bandwagon."> > > Experices trallevers say that the proverbial money> > mogners of the Gambia, the Sarahules, have bee in SPAIN since in the 1960s> > at the same time they "conquered" France.> > > If you have time, you can> > visit the town of Gambisarra, Allunhari, Garawol, Sabi, Kumbeja, etc to see> > the bombastic villas!> > > So their Baddibunak "cousins" are following their> > examples - 40 years later - not the other way round.> > Emman Salaam> > > >> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------> Datum: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:26:17> > +0100> Von: BASS DRAMMEH <[log in to unmask]>> An:> > [log in to unmask]> Betreff: Re: The road a showdown over illegal> > migration> > > The entire Badibou landscape has now been profoundly> > transformed thanks to> > the Euro money transfers coming from the Badibunka> > diaspora resident in> > the> > various Spanish provinces.Most of the> > erstwhile Mankanaso farms> > in Badibou have now given way to modern> > building complexes with most of> > the> > modern amenities known in Badibou> > as Self Containoo, powered by solar> > panels and made livable by the access> > to clean running water and stand and> > ceiling fans.All of a sudden the> > Badibunkas have made a powerful> > discovery!> > They have just discovered> > that in lieu of selling Fogga Jays (used> > clothes)> > at the Sukuru Kunda> > market for donkey years without making ends meet,they> > could just sell> > their stalls to the Faanafaanas or Nigerians for sixty> > thousand> > Dalasis,pay the Spannish middlemen for forty thousand,use the> > balance as> > pocket money whilst trying to get work in> > Spain.Andnotwithstanding the> > occasional tragedies and misshaps here> > and there,the> > Badibunka> > discovery has made such a splash and impact in the Gambia that> > even the> > proverbial money mongers of the Gambia,the Sarrahulehs have> > started> >> > contemplating abandoning their traditional diamond speculatiing adventures>> > > in Congo and Angola for the Spanish bandwagon.> > > > Anybody who knows> > the strenght and intensity of this wave in the Gambia> > right now, knows> > that not even a ten million Euro skill center is capable> > of stemming> > either the wave or dampening the spirits or the NERVES, as it> > is> >> > commoly known here.But that is not to say that we should not accept the> >> > offer.Of course we should! We need that Skill Center regardless of who> >> > gives> > it to us and what the conditions for constructing it are.TheGambia> > government on its part will do some window dressing here and> > there,if> > nothing else but to impress upon the spanish authorities that it> > is doing> > something about the matter.That is how the Game is played.> >> > > > The Badibunkas and their emulators,in the meantime,will continue to> > devise> > more ingenius and dangerous ways of getting into Barcelona and> > other> > Spanish> > cities.That wave will continue unabated ,regardless of> > what the Gambian> > Government will do,until the dangers and risks involved> > have reached a> > critical mass,or atleast the Gambia public perception of> > those dangers> > reach> > that point.Short of reaching that point,any> > attempts to stem the tide is> > doomed to failure.And who said You Cannot> > Have Your Cake And Eat It At The> > Same Time?!> > > > Regards Basss> > > >> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/07, Edie Sidibeh <> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >> > > As you rightfully protested,> > this is really a meaningful analysis even> > > whereas, I am not good in> > numbers, I can understand the simplicity of> > its> > > analysis. Then> > again, Dr. Jaiteh, orthodox of Gambian believe also> > protested> > > the> > fact that, what is meant to happen cannot be prevented, therefore> > those>> > > > who are meant to brake the barrier and enter Spain, will or cannot be> >> > > compromised by 1 million dalasis.> > >> > > However, Million Dalasi is a> > huge amount if they spend it rightfully and> > > will benefit lots and lots> > of the youths as well as the country to gain> > > skillful and meaningful> > education regarding if coupled with better> > educator> > > in the said> > Fields of studies. undeniably, Africa have placed herself in> > a> > > Marcy> > situation in the eye of the west and therefore, before we open up> > our> >> > > eyes we have to be cleaver in playing their games of politic by> >> > accepting> > > their offers and put it in good use to benefit our countries> > and the> > people.> > > I am well aware of the fact that I am a dreamer but> > just a wisdom.> > however,> > > west are well aware of the fact of> > corruption level in Africa and> > therefore> > > send billions of dollars to> > Africa knowing quite well that they will not> > be> > > use to their> > purposes but end up in their own banks to yet make addition> > > profit on> > the same loan given to us just like our coffees and other> > natural> > >> > resources.> > >> > > How many coffee factories are in the west? and how many> > chocolate> > > factories? how many employees does those factories employed?> > how much do> > > they get the raw materials and how much do they sell the> > finish product> > back> > > to us? therefore playing their game by taking> > their money for loan and> > put> > > it in proper education and job creation> > for our people and later asked> > for> > > dept cancellation will then be> > proper and profitable for our continent I> > > assumed. I personally think,> > corruption and mismanagement played a> > > significant part in our> > development. If this was not the case, Africa by> > now> > > should be> > heaven on earth due to the our rightful trillions of dollars> > pump> > > in> > from the west which end up bach to where it came from just like our> > >> > product.> > > Edi> > >> > > Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:>> > > > IThe employment figures for the same group show only 454,682 (66%) do> >> > not> > > know what the Daily Observer mean by illegal migration but> > >> > makes me wonder what this showdown will bring. First, may I ask how many> >> > > of the 20,000 "illegal migrants" in Spain are minors? and what is the> > >> > breakdown of their educational status? Also would increase training of> > >> > Gambians in agriculture, carpentry, fishinng, construction, electricity> > >> > really curb this "illegal migration"? The 2003 census figures show of> > >> > the 689,201 Gambians aged 15 years and over, 272,762 (40%) had no> > >> > education, 52,517 (8%) no more than primary edu, 176930 (26%) some for> > >> > of secondary education, 13360 (under 2%) with vocational training> > >> > including teachers, 2309 (3 tenths of 1%) with undergrad education, 2357> >> > > (3 tenths of 1%) graduate education and 1467 (2 tenths of 1%) post> > >> > graducate education. Please note that about about 167499(23% ) claim not> >> > > to belong to any of the above groups.> > >> > > It is interesting to note> > that only 6,133 Gambians living in the Gambia> > > in 2003 reported having a> > university degree (undergrad to Post grad).> > > You wonder how that figure> > compare to that of all Gambian-born degree> > > holders? A database of> > health professionals emigrating from Africa> > > (Michael Clemens and> > Gunilla Pettersson 2006) showed that there are 46> > > (53%) Gambian-born> > physicians (Doctors in medicine) liing in nine> > > countries abroad> > compared to 40 living in the Gambia. The number of is> > > much higher with> > practicing nurses with 282 living in nine countries> > > abroad compared to> > 144 in the Gambia. It is interesting to note is that> > > none of these were> > said to be living in Spain.> > >> > >> > > reported being employed. Of these> > over 215,592 (47%) are crop producers> > > agriculture, 63,978 (14%) in> > Service, Shop & Market Sales; 13% in> > > crafts and related trade, 10%> > elementary occupation(whatever that is),> > > 3% professionals, 6% clerks,> > technicials and associate professionals.> > > With the government all but> > abandoned buying groundnuts, you wonder how> > > many of the 215,592 would> > stay on the land. And if they do not would be> > > re-trained under the new> > partnership to promote social and professional> > > cohesion (whatever that> > is)?> > >> > > The truth is, someone must be kidding to believe that a 1> > million Euro> > > skill center will check this "illegal migration". The new> > partnership if> > > anything is the latest in this global outsourcing> > project. In effect> > > lets pay the Gambian government one million Euros to> > police our border> > > for us. While the partnership may help Spain cater> > for her citizens,> > > what does it leave the Gambian people? It would help> > to know that about> > > 665,000 (48%) of the total population are between 10> > and 34 years old.> > > If the government is to succeed, it must present a> > convincing case that> > > it is not in effect and agent of the Spanish> > border police. And that it> > > as the people's representative is> > representing their interest by> > > accepting 1 million Euro for closing the> > border.> > >> > > Failure to present a convincing case could leave a very> > significant> > > proportion of the population feeling deprived of their only> > opportunity> > > to a better life. Like a desperate herd breaking into a> > neigbor's> > > garden, it should not surprise us to see desperate citizens> > doing> > > desperate things to survive.> > >> > >> > > Malanding Jaiteh> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Gambia: Curbing Illegal Migration> > >> > >> > >> > The Daily Observer (Banjul)> > >> > > 10 August 2007> > > Posted to the web> > 13 August 2007> > >> > > The Gambia and Spain, following the June 2007 Joint> > Committee Plan,> > > agreed yesterday to strengthen the partnership> > agreement in order to> > > check illegal immigration of minors, and to> > promote the social and> > > professional cohesion of this category.> > >> >> > > By financing 1M Euros Skills Training Centre, where young Gambians will> >> > > receive and venture into several activities (agriculture, carpentry,> > >> > fishing, construction, electricity), it calls for the setting up of a> > >> > permanent mechanism, aimed at curbing illegal immigration through> > >> > prevention, social-pedagogical and formation measures.> > >> > > It> > recommends also that when young Gambians are well-trained, they will> > >> > notably be exposed to the dangers posed by illegal migration.> > >> > Consequently, they would act legally to Spain or other places.> > >> > > As> > the Gambian community in Spain already attained the level of 20,000> > >> > migrants, the way forward lies on the necessity to move towards a real> > >> > showdown over illegal migration.> > >> > > Even if the issue exposes a deep> > and bitter rift within the public> > > opinion, there is a need to sensitise> > people on the dangers relating to> > > illegal migration.> > >> > >> > >> >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > To> > unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the> > Gambia-L> >> > > Web interface> > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html>> > > >> > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > >> > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > > To contact> > the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > >> > [log in to unmask]> > >> >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Yahoo! 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