Mr Mballow,
The paragraph below was an illustration of the difference between established institutions and one individual, in response to the second paragraph below.
BBC, Foroyaa, Newstateman etc...are establisled reputable institutions. For these organisations publishing garbage will have an adverse effect on their organisations, Daffeh dosen't have that worry.Now the difference is Daffeh comments on issues that are been discussed here, but you can only hear him shouting from the top of the ''Bantaba tree''(gathering under a tree), then disappear into thin air--no matter how fast you lift your head up:-). If Daffeh's pieces discussed, for example how to fly to Mars on a tree branch--then people will probably just delete it. All of Daffeh's pieces encroaches on topics been discussed here, that's not a problem if he does it interactively.
''If I read an issue of Forya or the New Statesman and I feel that what they are saying is wrong, or their logic or use of statistics are faulty, do I have a means to comment directly to them and thus give feedback? If I don't, and this is just a mere forward, what is the difference between these forwards and what Saihou is forwarding?''
You come across as a resonable person in this exchange, so I wonder why you are not keen on the simple solution of registering your colleagues as individuals on the list. After all it will make things easier for all parties.
Cheers,
Jah
-----Original Message-----
From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list on behalf of saihou Mballow
Sent: Wed 08/03/2006 21:53
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc:
Subject: Re: Selective Forwarding / Re: List Manager(s): SS. Daffeh/Peace Justice
Edi,
you have the right to complain to the G-L
management about anything you feel is going unfair, i
have no problem with that. This is what is expected
from genuine concern members of the list to speak out
their minds without fear or favor.
Ginny Quick has also spoken her mind that a rule for
one should be the rule for all regarding forwarding of
articles. And you said (BBC, Foroya, Newstateman etc
are established reputable institutions). I have
already seen some articles from some newspapers been
forwarded to the list.Hence, there is no complain from
any angle, i would believe that it is within the
principles of the rules and regulations of G-L to
forward articles from established Newspapers to the
list. If this not the case i would appreciated again
members of the G-L management to come in and through
some light. Thank you.
Saihou
--- Edi JAH <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Freedom of Speech is one of the most misused
> phrases, it does have its limitations, be it a
> constitution, rules or other safeguards. I assume
> you do follow rules at your work place or any
> institution or group you join. There are rules
> here(Gambia-L) that has been circumvented, rendering
> the rules useless in the process. All I'm saying is
> this rule should apply to all of us. Enforcing this
> rule won't gag Daffeh/smballow or his Peace Justice
> colleagues. They can subscribe to the list and send
> their postings here from their individual e-mail
> address' like everyone else. Unless there is
> something untoward, I don't think any reasonable
> person will reject this solution. Though you haven't
> noticed, no one is trying to curtail their freedom
> of speech.
>
> BBC, Foroyaa, Newstateman etc...are establisled
> reputable institutions. For these organisations
> publishing garbage will have an adverse effect on
> their organisations, Daffeh dosen't have that worry.
> Now the difference is Daffeh comments on issues that
> are been discussed here, but you can only hear him
> shouting from the top of the ''Bantaba tree''(
> garthering under a tree), then disappear into thin
> air--no matter how fast you lift your head up:-). If
> Daffeh's pieces discussed, for example how to fly to
> Mars on a tree branch--then people will probably
> just delete it. All of Daffeh's pieces encroaches on
> topics been discussed here, that's not a problem if
> he does it interactively.
>
> Again freedom of speech should be exercised within
> the confines of the law/rules of the enviroment you
> are in.
>
> Jah
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list on
> behalf of Ginny Quick
> Sent: Wed 08/03/2006 13:25
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc:
> Subject: Selective Forwarding / Re: List
> Manager(s): SS. Daffeh/Peace Justice
>
>
>
> Hello, all, while I understand some people's
> concerns about Saihou
> Mballow forwarding emails from SS Daffeh, if we
> start saying who can
> or can't forward, or what one can or can't post /
> forward, where does
> it stop? People forward various things here all
> the time, from the
> Foroya to the New Statesman, among other things,
> and no one in the
> past has said anything about that. Is the issue
> that there isn't a
> means of commenting and giving feedback to the one
> writing /
> forwarding the articles, or is it just that people
> disagree and so
> they feel the need to say something?
>
> If you're going to start banning forwards, you
> should ban
> everyone or ban no one. I don't think it's fair to
> just pick on one
> person, simply because you disagree with what they
> are saying.
>
> If I read an issue of Forya or the New
> Statesman and I feel that
> what they are saying is wrong, or their logic or
> use of statistics are
> faulty, do I have a means to comment directly to
> them and thus give
> feedback? If I don't, and this is just a mere
> forward, what is the
> difference between these forwards and what Saihou
> is forwarding?
>
> I just don't see the "Daffeh" issue is that
> big of a deal.
> People forward stuff here all the time, and if I
> don't like it, most
> of the itme, I just delete it and move on. And I
> think the
> condemnation of Saihou is a bit selective
> considering that there have
> been toher forwards that other people have sent in,
> that don't have a
> means whereby people can comment directly to the
> person, or, of
> course, the person isn't directly subscribed to the
> Gambia-l.
>
> If the only difference between what Saihou is
> doing and what
> others have done is that the majority of the list
> members just don't
> agree with what he, or the author of the forward,
> is saying, than what
> does that say about people's supposed support of
> free speech and
> democracy? If one truly believes in free speech
> and democracy, then
> one must not try to silence someone that htey don't
> agree with.
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
> On 3/8/06, abdoukarim sanneh
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Mr Momodou.S Sidibeh
> > Thanks for your response. I think the present
> global historical reality
> > does not require whether politically you are
> allied to left or rights. The
> > British Labour party is a show case example after
> abolition of clause 4. The
> > second example is the corporate take over of
> china which is still under one
> > party communist rule. The third example is
> closer to home Africa National
> > Congress of South Africa. Within the rank and
> file of ANC, composed of South
> > Africa Communist party, advocates of Scientific
> Socialism, Marxist humanist,
> > Nationalist, capitalist, etc. What was ANC's
> pathway to address dehumanise
> > economic realities of South African masse after
> liberation from the
> > aparthied regime? ANC, when into to adopted
> nothing order than neoliberal
> > economic policies dictate by the world bank and
> IMF.
> > Mr Sidebeh you are wrong to think UDP is right
> wing political
> > organisation. Please I refer you to make a
> research into the party's
> > manifesto. UDP value nothing order social
> democracy with emphasis on rule of
> > law, constitution democracy and social justice.
> It is basic fundamental of
> > the party in the 1996 and 2001 election.
> > Mr Sidibeh, just like the Libdem in United
> Kingdom within their ranks
> > consist right and left wing politicians but all
> what the groups share in
> > common is the liberal values. On the question of
> New Statesman,even with the
> > fact that New paper is seem in many quarter as a
> left wing press but the
> > evolution in global politics enable the media to
> change lot of its utopian
> > views. It is like globalisation and its
> discontent in many perspective but
> > that does not mean that dynamic toward
> globalisation cannot address global
> > inequality and environmental issues.
> > Once again have a good working week and I hope
> the progressive debate from
> > you end will continue.
> >
> > Momodou S Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Brother Abdoukarim Sanneh Balamang!
> >
> > I have the feeling you are wooing me into the
> UDP? That would be an
> > impossible sell.
> > I agree with you that for any coalition to remain
> stable (and infact
> > democratic) it ought to be led by " ...a leading
> opposition...", (your
> > words). But perhaps that is all you and I agree
> upon?
> > I must say that I am a little surprised to learn
> that you are a UDP militant
> > as you are the most prolific in feeding us a
> constant diet of leftist
> > analysis from the New Statesman. So what are you
> doing there? Can you or
> > your fellow UDPians tell me why you are
> supporting the UDP? Perhaps your
> > answers may give this debate the radical twist it
> so greatly needs.
> >
> > Good morning,
> > sidibeh
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "abdoukarim sanneh"
>
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