Mr. Manneh:
I think you have gone too far in saying: "shame on your mother." May I suggest that we refrain from mentioning our parents here? I think with our rich Gambian culture, we can still debate in a rather friendly environment.
Remember that you are trying to engage an audience.
You can only get your words through if you show some
restraint.
Naphiyo,
Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
Greensboro, NC/Kombo East Constituency
Original Message-----
From: Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:45:13 -0800
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> Hi Mr,
> I have a question for you. Is your mum a Yaye-compin who got given a Hajj
> ticket by Yahya? If you are, then shame on you and your mum, if that's not
> you,
> then shut up. But hey if the caps fits, then be my guest and wear it.
>
> I have a question though, who are these people who risked their lives to
> make the country better then?
> I hope you won't dare tell me they are the ones that ordered and
> oversaw the execution in cold blood of my Gambian brothers? If you are
> referring to those folks, then Mr you need your head checked.
>
> Am a as patriotic a Gambian as you are, if not more, but as I said I wont be
> an a**-licker like you and your
> ilk. I do more than my fair bit to see my country develop, and that, Mr is
> the truth.
> You be my guest and keep it bring it on, and i shall be more than happy to
> shove it where it is coming from,
> which is your poo-hole, Mr Shameless cunt!
>
>
> [man] -----Original Message-----
> From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Lang Tunkara
> Sent: 20 January 2002 09:23
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
>
>
> Yes they are cheap shots, and some bad losers refuse to move on. It's
> amazing to see such people questioning the intergrity of those who risks
> their lives for years to make our country a better place. What a darn
> shame!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Dave Manneh
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> >Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:15:08 -0800
> >
> >Cheap shots? partisan politics? are you for real?
> >I think there is much more to it than that over simplification. Its gotta
> to
> >do
> >with INTEGRITY.
> >Perhaps you are not here for personal gains, but some are,
> >and that Mr is the truth, and no amount of spin is going to change that.
> >
> >I do my bit in the development of my country, but becoming
> >a turncoat and an a**-licker, I shall NEVER be and that's a guarantee.
> >
> >Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Lang Tunkara
> > Sent: 19 January 2002 22:09
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> >
> >
> > Neither are we surprise at those cheap shots by some members who cannot
> >move beyond partisan politics and worked together to make our country a
> >better place to live.
> >
> > Some of us are not here because of any personal gains, but because we
> see
> >Gambia as our home, and are committed to see her and her people including
> >ourselves prosper.
> >
> > Lang.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Dave Manneh
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> > >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:56:51 -0800
> > >
> > >Perhaps mum being a yaye-compin and been given a hajj ticket by
> > >Jammeh has something to do with some of us becoming turncoats,
> > >from a fence-sitter to a full fledge Jammeh supporter,what a shame!!God
> >help
> > >you!
> > >I will i have to admit though, that I was never surprised, for nothing
> > >people do on GambiaL surprise me one bit.
> > >
> > >Once again god help us all
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ousman Bojang
> > >Sent: 19 January 2002 11:48
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Singhateh and Tunkara,
> > >Very interesting. The points you all tried to make are very sound.
> > >Unfortunately most of us here are playing a politics of
> >self-righteousness
> > >and no matter what anyone else says, they are wrong.
> > >What a chat room?
> > >
> > >Ousman Jallow Bojang.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Lang Tunkara
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Singhateh,
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > These are some very interesting points you've made here. I wish some
> of
> > >the people on this list will come to terms with the reality, and accept
> > >those facts as you and i have.
> > >
> > > SM Dibba had immensely contributed to Gambia's politics. He had
> > >sacrifice a lot in his life for what he beleive for our dear country,
> and
> > >paid a price for those beliefs.
> > >
> > > However, the same people he fought before are the very ones
> re-surfacing
> > >and questioning his patriotism. They got badly beaten and exposed for
> the
> > >their acts that, they choose to stand on the way of anyone who is ready
> >to
> > >work for the development of the Gambia. If anyone's patriotism should
> be
> > >question, i wonder why they they turned a blind eye to those who robbed
> >the
> > >country of millions and living luxurios lives in neighboring countries
> > >forgetting the people they stole their fortunes from.
> > >
> > > SM Dibba is here to stay, like it or not. He stayed with us 7 years
> ago
> > >when every quilty one of them ran away and abandoned us. Lets focus on
> > >something important to the development of our country, rather than
> >attacking
> > >this fine, wonderful, and lovely man.
> > >
> > > Lamin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Ndembos Singhateh
> > >
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Article on Dibba -a reaction to Gambia-L
> > > >Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:13:59 +0000
> > > >
> > > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > > >>To: [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Subject: Article on Dibba
> > > >>-a
> > > >>reaction Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:11:54 EST
> > > >>
> > > >>Subj: Re: AN INTERESTING ARTICLE ON SHERIFF DIBBAS ALLIANCE WITH
> > > >>APRC Date:
> > > >>08/01/02 13:53:32 GMT Standard Time From: MSAWANAH To: Bob6772
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Momodou Lamin Sawaneh
> > > >>
> > > >>Reaction to Gambia L article.
> > > >>
> > > >>I read your article on the above subject matter but I found it
> > > >>difficult to
> > > >>understand the purpose of writing such an article. By reading the
> > > >>article,
> > > >>I could not see to which audience it is directed . It did not help
> > > >>me in
> > > >>anyway to get an understanding of why Dibba took the decision of
> > > >>this
> > > >>nature. The story is not the least articulate and much more
> > > >>disappointing
> > > >>of all is that the writer could not provide a reasonable and
> > > >>attainable
> > > >>solution to the present political dilema in Gambian politics , if
> > > >>any. He
> > > >>criticised and blamed all the parties except for PDOIS which he
> > > >>described
> > > >>as credible in one of his remarks.
> > > >>
> > > >>I think people should be reasonable when they are talking about
> > > >>politics in
> > > >>any form being national or international politics. We have to give
> > > >>proper
> > > >>historical background to situations and corroborate with the
> > > >>present
> > > >>developments and then suggest solutions which can be of value to
> > > >>the
> > > >>players on the ground. This attitude of condemning everybody and
> > > >>everything
> > > >>without providing any solution of your own does not help any
> > > >>Gambian no
> > > >>matter on what side of the coin we are. And unless there is
> > > >>fundamental
> > > >>change in attitudes we would certainly get nowhere. I found out
> > > >>that the
> > > >>people that the writer is criticising are even better than him.
> > > >>This is for
> > > >>the simple fact that those politicians have pointed out why they
> > > >>are taking
> > > >>such decisions which to some extent have been dictated by the
> > > >>realities on
> > > >>the ground.
> > > >>
> > > >>It is very clear to everyone with a sense of history that Dibba has
> > > >>been
> > > >>fighting elections in this country since 1976 when he left the PPP.
> > > >>There
> > > >>was no proper organisation that was donating any money to his party
> > > >>and
> > > >>many Gambian intellectuals who were interested in politics were
> > > >>joining the
> > > >>ruling party in order to get ministerial positions even though they
> > > >>new
> > > >>quite well that the government was corrupt. The party to some
> > > >>extent was
> > > >>being funded by few people and Dibba's personal efforts to a
> > > >>certain
> > > >>degree.
> > > >>
> > > >>Here is a man who sacrificed all kinds of jobs and pleasures that
> > > >>you and I
> > > >>would may not want to do today. He was arrested and detained in
> > > >>1981 for
> > > >>almost 9 months for a crime he never committed until he lost his
> > > >>seat in
> > > >>Central Baddibou. Many of his supporters were dragged from
> > > >>Baddibous and
> > > >>Bakau to various detention camps with the intention of killing his
> > > >>party
> > > >>and to demoralise and discredit him as a political figure. A lot of
> > > >>innocent peole died in those detention camps. Despite all that
> > > >>mental and
> > > >>physical torture, he made a comeback and regained his seat in 1992.
> > > >>
> > > >>There is no Gambian politician who has been detained for his
> > > >>political
> > > >>beliefs to the extent of Dibba, there is no Gambian politician who
> > > >>had
> > > >>suffered defeats in the polls than Dibba and there is no Gambian
> > > >>politician
> > > >>who sacrificed anything for political opposition than Dibba and yet
> > > >>this is
> > > >>the man that the new opposition parties or writers are saying
> > > >>didnot
> > > >>sacrifice enough. What do they want him to do?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>We all agree that there is no violent solution to The Gambian
> > > >>political
> > > >>question. If Dibba realised that earlier than you and I , and
> > > >>decided to
> > > >>wait for the real democratic process to come and go back to the
> > > >>Gambian
> > > >>people to seek their mandate, why should we think that he is wrong
> > > >>in doing
> > > >>that. If the decrees were not meant to be obeyed, why did n't we
> > > >>ask Jawara
> > > >>to go back home and contest the 1996 elections. He and other
> > > >>politicians
> > > >>had the opportunity to defy the decrees and return home.They would
> > > >>have
> > > >>sacrificed their lives and be called national heroes by now.
> > > >>
> > > >>Why did they wait for the political amnesty before they could not
> > > >>return
> > > >>home as private individuals? Why did the Gambians go to the polls
> > > >>even
> > > >>though the government that organised the elections was described as
> > > >>illegitimate? Above all why did the Gambian people respect the
> > > >>verdict of
> > > >>the polls in both 1996 and 2001? Why didn't every Gambian boycott
> > > >>the
> > > >>elections in 1996 for the reason that decrees were still in place?
> > > >>
> > > >>It is sad to mention but most of us who are meant to comprehend
> > > >>what
> > > >>democracy is all about are the people who unfortunately are more
> > > >>confused
> > > >>about democratic process.
> > > >>
> > > >>The 2001 polls were free and fair and the Gambian people who went
> > > >>to the
> > > >>polls decided to renew their confidence in Jammeh government. They
> > > >>have
> > > >>their own reasons for giving him the mandate to govern them for
> > > >>another
> > > >>five years and by respecting the verdict of over 52% of the
> > > >>electorates is
> > > >>what democracy is all about and not about writing high sounding
> > > >>phrases
> > > >>about the people and the political players. It is quite difficult
> > > >>to be
> > > >>realistic when you are defeated at the polls by such magnitude but
> > > >>unless
> > > >>we accept realities at the right time, this small nation will go
> > > >>nowhere in
> > > >>terms of development.
> > > >>
> > > >>Even though Yaya has lot of problems particularly in the area of
> > > >>human
> > > >>rights, nobody has the right to tell the Gambian people that they
> > > >>have
> > > >>voted for the wrong person and they should take other measures to
> > > >>reverse
> > > >>their decision. Are we advocating that all Gambians should keep
> > > >>away from
> > > >>anything to do with the government whether developmental or
> > > >>otherwise and
> > > >>let Yaya and his supporters do it? If the answer is yes, then we
> > > >>are all
> > > >>narrow minded.
> > > >>
> > > >>The governpment is not Yaya government but a government that
> > > >>represents all
> > > >>Gambian people and for that reason whoever feels that despite his
> > > >>or her
> > > >>political beliefs, would want to participate in the development
> > > >>process of
> > > >>the country, should only be encouraged. The government is not
> > > >>anybody's
> > > >>personal property and it should never be seen be allowed to be seen
> > > >>to be
> > > >>that. If it clear that this is the attitude that Yaya has , we
> > > >>deserve the
> > > >>right to tell him that he is wrong and suggest tangible solutions
> > > >>to him.
> > > >>You can still be participating in the government and bring about
> > > >>positive
> > > >>changes. The case of Abdoulaye Wade and Co is too recent to forget.
> > > >>He
> > > >>served in the government of Joof so many times as a cabinet
> > > >>minister to
> > > >>contribute his bit in the national development process and this
> > > >>also
> > > >>enabled him to gain the most needed administrative experience. But
> > > >>this did
> > > >>not prevent him from contesting and winning the election when the
> > > >>people
> > > >>who matter wanted him to rule them instead of Joof.
> > > >>
> > > >>We can make our country a better place if we should learn how to go
> > > >>by the
> > > >>verdict of the people as dictated by the basic tenents of democracy
> > > >>we are
> > > >>preaching. It is our responsibility to join hands with whoever is
> > > >>in power
> > > >>to develop our country , if we are given the opportunity to so. I
> > > >>do not
> > > >>therefore see the need to discourage Dibba to participate in a
> > > >>government
> > > >>of his country if the authorities need him. He can only be
> > > >>encouraged.
> > > >>
> > > >>The country belongs to all of us and it requires the input of
> > > >>everyone.We
> > > >>should be around and within to tell Yaya what is wrong and what is
> > > >>correct.
> > > >>It is not a law in politics that you should always fight to gain
> > > >>power from
> > > >>outside. You can also participate meaningfully in the developement
> > > >>process
> > > >>of your country from within. Lenin (the great Russian leader) told
> > > >>us that
> > > >>if you cannot defeat them, join them. If you start a journey and
> > > >>the
> > > >>realities show you that you cannot complete it, the basic common
> > > >>sense will
> > > >>tell you that you should return to where you started.
> > > >>
> > > >>Yaya needs to be assisted by enlightened and experienced
> > > >>individuals and he
> > > >>needs to be told the truth at all times. He should not be left to
> > > >>be
> > > >>surrounded by individuals who would only tell him what he wants to
> > > >>hear.
> > > >>His pledge for reconciliation and forgiveness is probably a step in
> > > >>this
> > > >>direction. He probably wants the much needed people around to help
> > > >>the
> > > >>country achieve its target in terms of economic growth and
> > > >>political
> > > >>evolution.
> > > >>
> > > >>There is nothing that prevents us from maintaining our parties and
> > > >>still
> > > >>giving helping hand to the government . Any improvement in the
> > > >>Gambia in
> > > >>terms of the economy will go into uplifting the living standards of
> > > >>the
> > > >>ordinary poor. This is a joint responsibility and history will hold
> > > >>responsible if we should turn a blind eye to it for the fact that
> > > >>we hate
> > > >>the system. The issue of poverty alleviation and rural development
> > > >>is not a
> > > >>concept that came with Yaya and it would continue to be so even
> > > >>after him.
> > > >>
> > > >>Let us be assessing ourselves as to the contribution we are making
> > > >>to move
> > > >>our country forward. Even if you are in opposition, what
> > > >>contributions are
> > > >>you making to sustain the party you support. It is sad that most of
> > > >>us who
> > > >>write big essays in the net are doing nothing practically to
> > > >>support even
> > > >>the party we tend to sympathise with. This does not help.
> > > >
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