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Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 25 Nov 2001 09:53:05 +0100
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George,
I know you are the best analyst on the G-L, but please don`t just select what to    analyze and leave the rest. Pls. don`t be mindful in dealing with me, because i am a very open minded and jovial person who could creat a lot of fun for people. If you are an honest analyst, can
you tell me that Yus was not referring to me? You said he did not call my name, yes, he did not call my name, but when did he send his mail attacking the Elhajjs? Who was the only Elhajj who was involve in the debate of the Ebou Jallow issue? To whom did he address his mail? Did
I not exchange mail with  that person? If you want me to know whether you are an honest analyst, kindly answer my questions. What could you have said, if i was doing such attacks against people without mentioning their names? George, believe me, I like Yus, because his father
was my very good friend. He was working together with one of my relatives   ( Baboucarr Cham ) at the WAEC. His namesake was close friend to my father`s brother. Jabou could tell you more about what i am saying. Marie Jow, Sukai Jow and Jabou were often at our home during their
childhood to their friend. I was really surprised when i saw the attack from Yus, and that was why i addressed my mail directly to him, thinking that he will acknowledge his mistake and send an apology. When it did not happen, I felt it was his intention to personally attack me.
That is why i felt, it is a "Ndongoh Strategy". Because a "Ndongoh" can tell you all what he / she wants and then say " I am sorry ". This is why i wrote my mail to prepare myself for such personal attacks. Nobody on this planet will bring such nonsences to me and go scot-free.
I respect everybody, and hope to get in return the same respect. I have children who are almost the same age group with Yus, so he should deal with me with respect. Age is no problem. I was brought up in a home where our elders use to tell us that " Children with clean hands can
always share the same basin with their elders" So for me, age does not matter, just approach me with respect. I hope this will help you to understand why i sent the mail below. So far, Yus did not attack me, then the issue over. He is welcome to criticize me, give me his views,
send me private greetings or even call me anytime he wants. I have no hard feelings for him.
                      Regarding the Ebou Jallow issue, I agree with all of you that he owe us explainations, and i am not defending him for his actions. Thanks for respecting the sympathy i have for him. Regarding my mail to Joe, I will NEVER accept what Joe wants me to do, and
that is to name names of our looters. Joe is a "Ndongoh" and believe me, all the "Ndongohs" know the thieves. Joe was a footballer, he can even tell you even how the GAMBIAN MAFIA was formed, so let him not baffle me, by asking me a question that he knows the answer. Matarr was
very honest to admit the reality. George, i donīt know your age, but if you are around 40 years, then you also know the history of our looters. Ebou Jallow, Jammeh and co. found them looting, and they also joined the van and think they have done the correct thing. It is  just as
the wollof saying goes "Roy  Daaha  Moy  Mun  Nyep". You people are talking about the present thieves, but believe me, these people think they have done anything wrong. Yaya Jammeh is using the old guards, who are showing him everything they were doing. He is just following
their foot steps in the looting issue.

Elhajj.

Mr Makaveli skrev:

> "I fully respect your rules and regulations governing the G-L, and would
> do my best to abide by them. But it is very unfortunate that a " Ndongoh
> strategy "could not march with your rules and regulations, so i am
> therefore warning you to put my name on the standby delisting cue, because
> i might act against your rules in respond to a "Ndongoh Strategy". I would
> highly regret any such action, and would not blame you for delisting me.
> Thanks Elhajj " Culled from : Notice for the List Managers !
>
> Mr Faye,
>   Sir, I have quoted you above just to assure you that I am mindful of
> your extremely high temperament in the present scheme of things. So I will
> keep that in mind and be as sensitive as I possibly can while writing this
> piece. However, please don't bank on this " Ndongoh strategy " as some sort
> of leverage just because you're seemingly a well respected elder. I recall
> vividly just recently how when Bro Yus(I think) said there are some fake
> Elhajjs amongst us and you went bananas( I mean berzerk). The poor guy
> didn't even mention any names. But you threatened that you know his Dad
> and Mom.  I hope you don't tell me that you know my parents because I
> could care less. I'm only interested in discussing the issues. Not veiled
> threats or age barriers.
>
> Anyway,with all due respect Elhajj, this is what I think - I think you are
> confusing me to death with your irrational, inconclusive rebuttals in this
> debate(Gambians Vs Ebou Jallow) . Why defend the indefensible ? What my
> radar is picking is lots of inconsistencies and denial in your responses
> to this Ebou Jallow saga. You sympathise with him and I respect that. Mine
> is more of a pity.I pity him because he is so arrogant and short-sighted he
> thinks he owe the gambian people NO apology. How can anyone steal $3000,000
> from one of the poorest nations in the world and not be accounted for it.
>
> You wrote, "Joe, You are very correct, that i should not leave the burden
> of calling on the thieves with you."- Well, good. I'm thrilled you admitted
> something.  Now listen to yourself, " But calling them thieves without
> having any proof INFRONT of me, could be called as a deformation of
> character."  - Why the double standards, Sir? When you accused  Jammeh and
> his cohorts of all things, did you have the proof INFRONT of you? If you
> think some of us are just imagining things and singling out Mr Jallow,
> then proof it. I for one would like to see that proof INFRONT of me.
>
> Anyway you went on, " A rational decision-maker always goes by the preponderance of the evidence. One must be able to proof his / her case beyond a reasonable doubt that is to proof that leaves you firmly convinced of the defendant`s guilt. " - Uhhh, I love  me some words of
> wisdom. I like that. Still,  rational decision-makers must NOT let the
> ilks of nepotism cloud their sense of judgement, let alone their sense of
> reasoning. In order words, stop cherry-picking, and call a spade a spade.
>
> You then wrote, "Joe, we as a "Ndongohs" frankly, you know all the
> thieves."  - Wow, you know all the thieves. Well, this is contradicting
> your early statement which said ," But calling them thieves without having
> any proof INFRONT of me, could be called as a deformation of character. "
> The obvious reason I why differ here  is because you have YET to proof (not
> even beyond reasonable doubt) INFRONT of us that 1. you know all the
> thieves, and 2. that you have the evidence that CLEARLY proves they are
> what you call them - "thieves".
>
> Your argument couldn't be more flawed when you said, " How on earth did
> they get such wealth with the small salaries they were getting? " - Hmm,
> so what if (hypothetically speaking)their son, daughter, relative, you
> name it  provided these people you accused financial support,  or say they
> have other sources of income you may not know about? Because then look,
> here is how it's laid out; - With that assumption, you are implicating the
> president categorically(guilt by association) because he is a multi-
> millionaire and giving that his salary is 26,000/month (last we were told),
> are you calling him one of the thieves you know? Do you have the proof
> evidence) INFRONT of you ?
>
> We've heard counter arguments from Gassa that the president is actively
> engaged in agriculture and animal husbandry, as added income. But that's a
> whole different story. See, the bottomline is you too are speculating
> (unwittingly I may add) Because we are yet to see any proof INFRONT of us.
> Like you , most of us don't have the evidence in Ebou's case INFRONT of us
> but one thing we do have in common, is that somehow when we accuse these
> people of stealing, we know deep down in the bottom of heart and soul that
> we are NOT just imagining things out of nowhere calling people thieves. NO.
> Were are not hallucinating here. If that is the case, then I can wake up
> today and call my neighbor a thief. But I'm not hallucinating nor crazy.
>
> All I'm trying to say to you is that you have all the right to sympathise
> with Ebou giving that you are somehow related, but we too do have all the
> right to seek out the truth, and tell the truth for it is. The truth is he
> stole 3,000,000. You did NOT hear him deny those allegations thus far (on
> the record). So we call him a thief. A very appropriate term. I don't have
> the evidence INFRONT of me but if you believe he is not a thief, then he
> shouldn't have any problems whatsoever going to the gambia today if he
> chooses to. As a matter of fact the gambian people have lot's of evidence,
> but they are only admissible in court. Consider this phase1 of pre-trial
> because Gambia-L is a tribunal of public opinion.
>
> Elhajj, you may rationalise that Ebou's case in not the first nor the
> last and try to get even with grudges you may have held against those you
> claim to have stolen more money and are right in there in the heart of The
> Gambia. In the final analysis when push come shove, they will pay one form
> or the other, be it here of the afterlife. Stealing from poor needy Gambia
> is unacceptable and should NOT be glorified in any form or shape. Gone are
> those days.
>
> See, I can go on and on but I'm sure you realise where this is heading. A
> Deadlock. therefore, our only viable alternative as things stand is to
> engage Ebou and debunk any of his malicious tricks. Any other thief in
> this forum that chooses to rear his/her ugly face will not go unchallenged.
> There are No exceptions. Like I said, The yoke of oppression, in any form
> or shape (be it grand theft, murder, incompetence, perjury, nepotism,
> etc.. etc) MUST BE SHATTERED, kaput!  Have a good day,
>
> Respectfully,
> Mr Makaveli (o-:)
>
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