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Emman,
Who are you ? I just did not want to talk,waiting for great people like you to tell Bass the real thing.Thanks for doing so.
For Freedom
Saiks> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:00:09 +0200> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The road a showdown over illegal migration> To: [log in to unmask]> > Hello Bass Drammeh,> > Thanks, I just to help add power to your this point:> > > "Badibunka discovery has made such a splash and impact in the Gambia that> even the proverbial money mongers of the Gambia,the Sarrahulehs have started contemplating abandoning their traditional diamond speculatiing adventures in Congo and Angola for the Spanish bandwagon."> > > Experices trallevers say that the proverbial money mogners of the Gambia, the Sarahules, have bee in SPAIN since in the 1960s at the same time they "conquered" France.> > > If you have time, you can visit the town of Gambisarra, Allunhari, Garawol, Sabi, Kumbeja, etc to see the bombastic villas!> > > So their Baddibunak "cousins" are following their examples - 40 years later - not the other way round.> > Emman Salaam> > > > -------- Original-Nachricht --------> Datum: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:26:17 +0100> Von: BASS DRAMMEH <[log in to unmask]>> An: [log in to unmask]> Betreff: Re: The road a showdown over illegal migration> > > The entire Badibou landscape has now been profoundly transformed thanks to> > the Euro money transfers coming from the Badibunka diaspora resident in> > the> > various Spanish provinces.Most of the erstwhile Mankanaso farms> > in Badibou have now given way to modern building complexes with most of> > the> > modern amenities known in Badibou as Self Containoo, powered by solar> > panels and made livable by the access to clean running water and stand and> > ceiling fans.All of a sudden the Badibunkas have made a powerful> > discovery!> > They have just discovered that in lieu of selling Fogga Jays (used> > clothes)> > at the Sukuru Kunda market for donkey years without making ends meet,they> > could just sell their stalls to the Faanafaanas or Nigerians for sixty> > thousand Dalasis,pay the Spannish middlemen for forty thousand,use the> > balance as pocket money whilst trying to get work in> > Spain.Andnotwithstanding the occasional tragedies and misshaps here> > and there,the> > Badibunka discovery has made such a splash and impact in the Gambia that> > even the proverbial money mongers of the Gambia,the Sarrahulehs have> > started> > contemplating abandoning their traditional diamond speculatiing adventures> > in Congo and Angola for the Spanish bandwagon.> > > > Anybody who knows the strenght and intensity of this wave in the Gambia> > right now, knows that not even a ten million Euro skill center is capable> > of stemming either the wave or dampening the spirits or the NERVES, as it> > is> > commoly known here.But that is not to say that we should not accept the> > offer.Of course we should! We need that Skill Center regardless of who> > gives> > it to us and what the conditions for constructing it are.The Gambia> > government on its part will do some window dressing here and there,if> > nothing else but to impress upon the spanish authorities that it is doing> > something about the matter.That is how the Game is played.> > > > The Badibunkas and their emulators,in the meantime,will continue to devise> > more ingenius and dangerous ways of getting into Barcelona and other> > Spanish> > cities.That wave will continue unabated ,regardless of what the Gambian> > Government will do,until the dangers and risks involved have reached a> > critical mass,or atleast the Gambia public perception of those dangers> > reach> > that point.Short of reaching that point,any attempts to stem the tide is> > doomed to failure.And who said You Cannot Have Your Cake And Eat It At The> > Same Time?!> > > > Regards Basss> > > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > > > > > > > > > On 8/14/07, Edie Sidibeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > >> > > As you rightfully protested, this is really a meaningful analysis even> > > whereas, I am not good in numbers, I can understand the simplicity of> > its> > > analysis. Then again, Dr. Jaiteh, orthodox of Gambian believe also> > protested> > > the fact that, what is meant to happen cannot be prevented, therefore> > those> > > who are meant to brake the barrier and enter Spain, will or cannot be> > > compromised by 1 million dalasis.> > >> > > However, Million Dalasi is a huge amount if they spend it rightfully and> > > will benefit lots and lots of the youths as well as the country to gain> > > skillful and meaningful education regarding if coupled with better> > educator> > > in the said Fields of studies. undeniably, Africa have placed herself in> > a> > > Marcy situation in the eye of the west and therefore, before we open up> > our> > > eyes we have to be cleaver in playing their games of politic by> > accepting> > > their offers and put it in good use to benefit our countries and the> > people.> > > I am well aware of the fact that I am a dreamer but just a wisdom.> > however,> > > west are well aware of the fact of corruption level in Africa and> > therefore> > > send billions of dollars to Africa knowing quite well that they will not> > be> > > use to their purposes but end up in their own banks to yet make addition> > > profit on the same loan given to us just like our coffees and other> > natural> > > resources.> > >> > > How many coffee factories are in the west? and how many chocolate> > > factories? how many employees does those factories employed? how much do> > > they get the raw materials and how much do they sell the finish product> > back> > > to us? therefore playing their game by taking their money for loan and> > put> > > it in proper education and job creation for our people and later asked> > for> > > dept cancellation will then be proper and profitable for our continent I> > > assumed. I personally think, corruption and mismanagement played a> > > significant part in our development. If this was not the case, Africa by> > now> > > should be heaven on earth due to the our rightful trillions of dollars> > pump> > > in from the west which end up bach to where it came from just like our> > > product.> > > Edi> > >> > > Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > IThe employment figures for the same group show only 454,682 (66%) do> > not> > > know what the Daily Observer mean by illegal migration but> > > makes me wonder what this showdown will bring. First, may I ask how many> > > of the 20,000 "illegal migrants" in Spain are minors? and what is the> > > breakdown of their educational status? Also would increase training of> > > Gambians in agriculture, carpentry, fishinng, construction, electricity> > > really curb this "illegal migration"? The 2003 census figures show of> > > the 689,201 Gambians aged 15 years and over, 272,762 (40%) had no> > > education, 52,517 (8%) no more than primary edu, 176930 (26%) some for> > > of secondary education, 13360 (under 2%) with vocational training> > > including teachers, 2309 (3 tenths of 1%) with undergrad education, 2357> > > (3 tenths of 1%) graduate education and 1467 (2 tenths of 1%) post> > > graducate education. Please note that about about 167499(23% ) claim not> > > to belong to any of the above groups.> > >> > > It is interesting to note that only 6,133 Gambians living in the Gambia> > > in 2003 reported having a university degree (undergrad to Post grad).> > > You wonder how that figure compare to that of all Gambian-born degree> > > holders? A database of health professionals emigrating from Africa> > > (Michael Clemens and Gunilla Pettersson 2006) showed that there are 46> > > (53%) Gambian-born physicians (Doctors in medicine) liing in nine> > > countries abroad compared to 40 living in the Gambia. The number of is> > > much higher with practicing nurses with 282 living in nine countries> > > abroad compared to 144 in the Gambia. It is interesting to note is that> > > none of these were said to be living in Spain.> > >> > >> > > reported being employed. Of these over 215,592 (47%) are crop producers> > > agriculture, 63,978 (14%) in Service, Shop & Market Sales; 13% in> > > crafts and related trade, 10% elementary occupation(whatever that is),> > > 3% professionals, 6% clerks, technicials and associate professionals.> > > With the government all but abandoned buying groundnuts, you wonder how> > > many of the 215,592 would stay on the land. And if they do not would be> > > re-trained under the new partnership to promote social and professional> > > cohesion (whatever that is)?> > >> > > The truth is, someone must be kidding to believe that a 1 million Euro> > > skill center will check this "illegal migration". The new partnership if> > > anything is the latest in this global outsourcing project. In effect> > > lets pay the Gambian government one million Euros to police our border> > > for us. While the partnership may help Spain cater for her citizens,> > > what does it leave the Gambian people? It would help to know that about> > > 665,000 (48%) of the total population are between 10 and 34 years old.> > > If the government is to succeed, it must present a convincing case that> > > it is not in effect and agent of the Spanish border police. And that it> > > as the people's representative is representing their interest by> > > accepting 1 million Euro for closing the border.> > >> > > Failure to present a convincing case could leave a very significant> > > proportion of the population feeling deprived of their only opportunity> > > to a better life. Like a desperate herd breaking into a neigbor's> > > garden, it should not surprise us to see desperate citizens doing> > > desperate things to survive.> > >> > >> > > Malanding Jaiteh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Gambia: Curbing Illegal Migration> > >> > >> > > The Daily Observer (Banjul)> > >> > > 10 August 2007> > > Posted to the web 13 August 2007> > >> > > The Gambia and Spain, following the June 2007 Joint Committee Plan,> > > agreed yesterday to strengthen the partnership agreement in order to> > > check illegal immigration of minors, and to promote the social and> > > professional cohesion of this category.> > >> > > By financing 1M Euros Skills Training Centre, where young Gambians will> > > receive and venture into several activities (agriculture, carpentry,> > > fishing, construction, electricity), it calls for the setting up of a> > > permanent mechanism, aimed at curbing illegal immigration through> > > prevention, social-pedagogical and formation measures.> > >> > > It recommends also that when young Gambians are well-trained, they will> > > notably be exposed to the dangers posed by illegal migration.> > > Consequently, they would act legally to Spain or other places.> > >> > > As the Gambian community in Spain already attained the level of 20,000> > > migrants, the way forward lies on the necessity to move towards a real> > > showdown over illegal migration.> > >> > > Even if the issue exposes a deep and bitter rift within the public> > > opinion, there is a need to sensitise people on the dangers relating to> > > illegal migration.> > >> > >> > >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the> > Gambia-L> > > Web interface> > > at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > >> > > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to:> > > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > > To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> > > [log in to unmask]> > >> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > >> > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------> > > Yahoo! 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