"You see as i told sister Ndey, the problem lies in the lack of knowledge of
their rights ( by our sisters) "
Habib -
You can say the above again which is at the root of why some of us suffer in
our relationships - knowledge! But, when you have elders resorting to tired
clichés of "lickor taka tasut kor" and delaying tactics by husbands with the
court's full knowledge, the suffering continues no end. I've tied our
(women's) suffering to the prevalence and persistence of poverty in the
world and I submit that as long as we continue to suffer emotionally and
economically, our capacity to contribute is undermined and poverty will
never leave us.
Soffie
-----Original Message-----
From: Habib Ghanim [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie
sister Jabou
I think this Cadi was corrupt or a freind of the husband, otherwise the
system works. The only other reason why there was a delay was to ensure that
the woman was NOT pregnant ( to protect the kid) and that waiting period is
usually 3 months.
The woman had another choice - go to a local Imam in here area or even
outside her area and based on the man's no show up if he summons him , then
the woman gets a divorse as requested.
They can demand and exercise the written laws of the man's responsibilities
like child support and alimony. yes indeed . Even if he becomes a dead beat
dad ( lord knows we have many here too ) the sister still has some leverage
to use and witnesses too
habib
>From: Jabou Joh
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey/Soffie
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:26:36 EST
>
>Soffie,
>
>This is a shame and I still maintain that since I do not see how the
rulings
>of the Cadi court can really help anyone since the justice system will not
go
>after people to make sure they are enforced, working to have laws
>incorporated into the constitution is the way to go on this. I think the
mere fact that a
>woman can be simply turned out of the house upon divorce with no laws in
>place to ensure her rights regardign property is shocking to say the least.
>
>Jabou Joh
>
>In a message dated 3/1/04 10:05:28 AM Central Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > How about after twenty years of marriage, 5 kids, and having been abused
> > for
> > most of that marriage, the Cadi(?) court rejecting a woman's petition
for a
> > divorce. It took 9 months for this woman who had no means of earning a
> > living being made to journey to the courts, for 9 damn months, before
she
> > was granted a divorce. Do any of you know why proceedings in the Cadi
> > courts are closed to the public? The shenanigans and the corruption in
that
> > court need to be exposed.
> >
> > Soffie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:13 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Question/Habibi/Jabou/Ya Fatou/Ndey
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/29/04 5:46:03 AM Central Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> > > Well as Jabou said, it is fine if the women accept. We can still ask:
Is
> > > it a matter of accepting it or not having the choice to say no.
> >
> > Ndey,
> >
> > My guess is that given the choice, most women would say no. This is why
I
> > also pointed out that Islam does permit such a pre-nuptual agreement
that
> > the
> > husband will not marry another wife, but this is not ever mentioned in
> > Gambia,
> > and won't be unless it becomes the law of the land like it is in
Senegal.
> > There are also other isues Ndey. For example, I am quite disturbed by
the
> > fact that in Gambia for example, a woman can be divorced by her husband
and
> > be
> > literally turned out into the street without having any laws to protect
her
> > as
> > far as her rights to shares of any property. If I am wrong, someone
please
> > correct me. I think it si also the same as far as child support and
alimony.
> > Although most men in our society will take care of their kids (and i do
not
> > know
> > what the statistics are on this or even if anyone has looked at this),
there
> > are still some people who do not.
> >
> > Jabou
> >
> >
>
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