I am very confident that Pa knows me or at least remembers me, but if he doesn't, then I'll probably need to send him a personal note which is probably not fit for this noble forum.
I am probably the only Sallah (besides former Minister of Agriculture), who worked at Radio Gambia, the last 20years. Pa to jug your memory a little bit, I worked for GRTS from 1996--2002.
-----Original Message-----
From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Haruna Darbo
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:51 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Pa Ndery's Cruelty! Chapter 13, What will happen to gheran Senghore?
Lamin,
I think I told you I love you? Well I'm saying it now.
[Haruna I don’t know why you tied everything I say about Pa Nderi to him
being narcissistic.] Lamin.
I'm sorry Lamin. I only deduced that if the editor of Freedom's agenda is
Editor Mbai, and Nderry is Freedom's editor, then you infer narcissism. I
am
glad therefore you don't think him narcissistic. I think we're getting
somewhere Lamin. This is good.
[I have also said he has some multiple personalities.] Lamin.
Yes Lamin, I gathered as much. So you think him bipolar in addition to
being
narcissistic although largely bipolar. Pantomimickry is by virtue a bipolar
rendition of prose. There-in lied the genius of Nderry.
"His recklessness led to many people losing their jobs, detained and
tortured." Lamin.
Lamin, if you look at this statement you shared, you have blamed Nderry for
the crimes of the terminator, detainer, and the torturer. You have also
admitted that Nderry's and the fortunes of this criminal are divergent in
the
main. It therefore establishes that Nderry neither has the intent nor any
affect on the relationships between the criminal and his/her victims.
Collateral. - Haruna.
[Haruna my understanding is if your action or lack of action leads to the
injury (the torture, detention and dismissal) of an innocent individual,
you
should be definitely if not criminally, be held accountable.] Lamin.
Yes Lamin, I share your understanding here. I hasten to add however that
you
omitted the crucial word "DIRECTLY" between 'leads' and 'to'. That is
because you are aware that Nderry's actions or inaction do not lead
directly to the
injuries you stipulated. To innure culpability, there must NOT be inserted,
another exclusively active person of major age, sound body and mind,
between
Nderry and the misfortunes of other. And it is apparent that Nderry is not
acting in concert with the active culprit (exclusive).
[So if Pa Nderi’s incendiary and dangerous way of doing business] Lamin.
How did you then determine Nderry's way of doing business to be incendiary
and dangerous??? Is it because Yahya's commission of crimes was based on
his
perception of Nderry, ergo Yahya's introduction of fire and brimstone
qualified for you the luminescence of Nderry's way of doing business?? I
did not know
you took your clues from Yahya's tantrums Lamin. I'm sorry.
[couple with his negligence in his failure to secure the name of his “
subscribers;”] Lamin.
Consider this Lamin;
The security of subscribers' identities and other data is due-diligence to
minimize identity theft, false agency, and libellous and slanderous
activity
by other. The security of Freedom online is the task of a third party, the
host of the site. This third party indemnifies itself from force majeure
attacks
(beyond its means and acumen to prevent). Freedom of association gives the
subscribers the inalienable rights to subscribe to Freedom online or the
Observer. Is that the crime the subscribers have committed to innure
Yahya's
wrath?????????????
[Which led to the arrest and torture and dismissal of numerous people,]
Lamin.
How does the inability of a person to protect his/her valuables lead to you
STEALING those valuables Lamin???? Besides, Internet security does not and
cannot guard against arrest, torture, and dismissals Lamin. I think you're
placing an inordinate burden on Nderry. I remembered when a friend of mine,
proprietor of a Data bank lost private information of individual customers
to
hackers and thieves. His punishment was increased layers of security the
cost of
which was passed onto his customers. And his Data bank was hacked again. So
they went after the hackers and prosecuted their crimes. (The hackers). My
friend is happy and the district attorney is happy. The customers are free
once
again. To be hacked again by another.
[I don’t know why he should not be held responsible.] Lamin.
Nderry must not be held responsible for the infringements of other, of
major
age, sound body and mind. Nderry however can show remorse by extending
sincere apologies to the aversed and promising to increase the level of
security
Freedom enjoys.
[You are saying if Pa Nderi throw Mr. X’s sheep in the cage of a hungry
lion
at Yahya Jammeh’s zoo in Kanilai and the lion devour the sheep. Mr. X
cannot
hold Pa Nderi accountable because the situation of the lion and the sheep
was that of fortune?] Lamin.
No Lamin you misunderstand. You totally changed the situation by
introducing
a Lion, sheep, and Pa Nderry's exclusive throwing. Your analogy is severely
deficient. And you replaced Yahya with a Lion. As Lantos is wont to quip
(PBUH), I dont Bayyi it.
[I DON’T GET THIS.] Lamin.
You're not alone Lamin. I didn't get it either. Nderry did not throw
anything and it is not sheep we're talking about. Yahya is also not a caged
Lion.
You confused the heck out of yourself. Thoroughly. You may never be able to
see
your way out of this mess of an analogy you created for yourself.
"But he don't care he said he is fighting a cause and there is going to
blood." Lamin.
[I would take this as Nderry not having the capacity to reverse the
misfortunes of the criminal's victims and that Nderry, in remorse of the
pain the
victims must have felt at the hands of their criminal, enjoins in the
former's
battle. Nderry therefore is well-intentioned and good in the main. How you
read
carelessness and recklessness in that is incomprehensible to me.] - Haruna
[Haruna it is incomprehensible to me too that if Nderi throw the sheep to
Jammeh’s loin and has no capacity to reverse the “misfortune” of the poor
sheep that he is “well-intentioned.”] Lamin.
You see what I mean Lamin. I know you like sheep and lions.
[I don’t even think that this is a misfortune. Because he should have
foreseen the fate of the sheep before he did what he did.] Lamin.
What sheep?? FYI, when I use 'misfortune', it is diplomatically meant to
say
'crime'. I'm not sure how you took misfortune to mean. It addresses the
active person of the criminal not passive divinity.
[He mean it but he is not talking about his blood, he is talking about the
life of people he put on the line everyday.] Lamin.
"I think you read Nderry wrong here. Even if we agree with you Lamin, it
could be easily characterized as either banter in Nderry or a battle-cry.
The
battle you must now realise is honourable." Haruna.
[Pa Nderi is a coward. If you really want to wage a war you have to man up
and be in the front line and not fleeing from the perceived danger and
instead
using the blood of innocent people including women ad children to wage a
proxy war.] Lamin.
I don't understand Lamin. The battle began when Yahya infringed on the
rights of Freedom's subscribers. Pa Nderry is an ally of the victims in the
battle
Yahya waged on Nderry's customers. Can you not agree that Nderry is also
aversed. A victim?
[This is not a battle is a coward sitting behind his computer and exposing
unsuspecting people to the ruthless Jammeh attack dogs.] Lamin.
Lamin, I havve a question. If you know there's a venomous snake in your
backyard and your dog is in the yard, will you or will you not go feed your
dog
because sooner or later the snake's gonna get him and all your food will
have
gone to waste?????????? $50.00 to Freedom Online's security fund for an
answer Lamin.
[By the way I am baffled that you believe that there is a battle to be
fought which “you must now realise is honourable.”] Lamin.
Yes Lamin. Nderry enjoining in battle with the victims of a wanton criminal
is an honourable battle. Why are you baffled??? What would you have done if
your customers fall prey to a marauding bandit????
[Your this stands is what is inciting Nderi to be hitting on every body
because you guys believe there is a battle to be fought.] Lamin.
What are you talking about Lamin? I'm afraid you have thoroughly confused
yourself. You risk being incorrigible. Oh by the way I hear they located the
killer of Antoine de Saint Exupery and there's a new book and film out to
share
that. I shall read the book. Do you remember Antoinne??? The French pilots'
pilot?? Lamin I don't understand why you find me guilty of the crime of
incitement to wanton boxing!!!
[You have seen the incendiary articles that Nderi will be carrying saying
the army is in a war footing they are about to strike all what not. Please
guys
don’t burn our country the same way George Bush is burning Iraq.] Lamin.
Leave my friends W and Iraq out of this. What is wrong with you??? I don't
know if the Gambia Army is on a war footing or heading or not. I don't keep
up
with the Gambia Army. I do know you are on a war footing against Nderry
though. Why? Why Lamin?
[Sadam was a bad guy but he did not shed as much blood as Bush.] Lamin.
I think you meant to address W and Maliki here don't you? I am mad at W for
taking my advice to apprehend Sad Dame Hissin and bring him to Amarika to
answer to charges of mass murder of Shi-ites, Kuwaitis, Kurds, and
Iranians, and
threats on the life of George senior to mean the waging an ill-advised war
against the people of Iraq. This after my friends at the Engineer's corps
smoked Sad Dame out of his cave, Hissin.He has shared with me he regretted
the
misunderstanding and he will do Iraq a good turn. I take him at his word.
Scout's honour.
[Haruna I run out of time but I will be back to dissect your response the
same way you did mine.] Lamin.
I vill be Vaiting Forrrr Yew. No rush. Take your time.
Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Mutawakkil. I must warn you though that your
tarry
will not stop me from giving you more work at dissections and circumstance.
And I'm busy trying to comprehend Carnegie Minerals and Yahya's
arrangements.
I came upon a secretive demarche. I think you'll love it. My advice to
Yahya
is to go remove the friggin rig from the bolongo and stabilize the mine
area
before the next floods, and Carnegie to accept the freedom of Northfield in
exchange for the bail money. Its a bad deal from the git go. Tiger will be
at
Doral for the Ca championship next weekend. I'm thinking about replacing my
satellite company prior to the weekend. Lamin do you get the Golf Channel?
My
favourite commentator is Renton Laidlaw. Who's yours??/
And another thing; why do you spell Nderry 'Nderi'?????? Do you know
something I don't???? OK I'm done. See you.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hello Lamin, now that I know
your
name.
[GDP I noticed that you always find some funny ways of calling people some
names. Like calling Baba Galleh Jallow, "Galleh."]
No Lamin. My calling Baba, Galleh, indicates esteem and affinity for the
man
even though I've never met him. Not comedy. And I only called you
Paripanna
after searching for your name to no avail. I do effort to find appropriate
names to give proper ambiance to commentary. This occasion was serious
however,
not funny. The reason will become apparent.
"My Paripanna address came as a result of my frustration to create a
yahoo
address using my own name. Too many Lamins." Lamin.
How was I supposed to know that? So you changed your name just to get a
yahoo email address????? You might be one of those Gambians who has to have
their
pictures regardless. And you thought Nderry was bad about that.
"On a serious note:" Lamin.
I was joking in the statements immediately above too. Fehr Dinkum.
[FYI I was the last man standing when it comes to advising Pa Nderi.I will
repeat, Pa Nderi like I said, has an agenda and that is "Editor Mbye."]
Lamin.
You may be surprised to know that Pa Nderry himself has advised us that he
and Freedom have an agenda. I acknowledged that in my support of him and
his
paper vis - "Freedom Online did not emerge from vacuous loafing". I
enhanced
the statement to yield better understanding. Lamin, you will also agree
with me
that newspapers and or tabloids all have an agenda. Some call it editorial
philosophy, some call it editorial stance/position. You also are aware
that
in some places, newspapers endorse political candidates who best reflect
that
agenda in their opinion. Therefore, a newspaper or an editor having an
agenda
is not a new or pejorative phenomenon. The problem arises when we try to
qualify that agenda for them instead of allowing them to express it to us.
What
I mean Lamin is that you have qualified Freedom's/Pa Nderry's agenda to be
"Editor Mbye". What privilege or authority do you rely on to qualify such
subject as agenda??? You see what I mean Lamin. I, like you, am aware that
Pa
Nderry probably has an agenda as most or all newspapers or even tabloids
do. The
difference between you and me here is that I am satisfied with that
knowledge
and I may not venture to characterize that agenda for Nderry, but you feel
perfectly comfortable in going the extra mile so to speak. What guided my
restraint is value. Is it important or valuable for me to characterize
Nderry's
agenda??? I determined no. Afterall that will have been mere conjecture.
And
if the characterization were found to be true, the realization that
whatever
the agenda was, Nderry had a right to it. PLUS; the fact that Nderry's
agenda
is 'Editor Mbye' does not have a bearing on proclivity to commit crime
against another, which to my knowledge he or Freedom has not done yet. To
the
extent you and my friend Yanks perceive hebdomadaire in't, I encouraged
you
to
send him well-phrased counsel. Why would I urge you in that direction?
Because
you have shared with us you find Nderry narcissistic. Narcissism is not a
crime but it is a condition that may lead to sleight and or other offense
potentially criminal. And you will not get too far with a victimless
narcissist with
anger. If you really believe Nderry to be narcissistic.
"If you don't accept that," Lamin.
It is not a question of whether I accept you view of Nderry or not. If it
is
any comfort, I do not. But that is inconsequential as you will show me
later.
"all Editor Mbye knows about your Private life will be laid bare in the
freedom newspaper breaking news!!!!! tomorrow." Lamin.
If you advise Nderry to publish it, then it is good that it is in the
Freedom breaking news swiftly and you must thank Nderry for acceding to
your
request for its publication.
If you advised Nderry not to publish such and he does anyway, then it is
breach of confidentiality at best. But Lamin bear with me for a minute. If
you
bear such disdain and distrust of the editor of Freedom, that ought to
possibly encourage cadence and circumspect in your private life. This is so
that
should the National enquirer get to it first before Freedom, it's ultimate
publication will have been benign and possibly inspiring to others. Since
1942,
private lives had become public fodder. I found that out when I was born
much
later. I think one problem I see is that we do not fully appreciate the gap
between Gambia's development as a nation and that of other nations. I'm not
saying that is the only cause for misunderstandings. It is a contributing
cause
for parallax in perspectives.
"He did it to Yanks and many more people." Lamin.
I know that my good friend Yanks was aversed by Nderry's reporting and
possibly Abdoukarim and many more. I have urged and I continue to urge
Nderry to
apologise for collateral aversions and sleight. That still stands. And
whether
Nderry thinks he has not committed a crime and therefore owes no apologies
is immaterial. Generally I do not urge folk to apologise for crime. I
solicit
apologies for more minor offenses of aversions and sleight. In that
spirit,
I
still urge Nderry to apologise to folk who have perceived such injury
issuing direcftly from his work and publication. Nderry still has not
committed any
crime. He is best advised to apologise to Yanks, Karim, yourself, and any
who has perceived or innured injury as a direct result of his actions. If
Nderry does not apologise, I still support him and Freedom Online. I just
happen
to know the apology will be extra-valuable for Nderry and Freedom.
[If you call him to advice him he act up to win your trust so that your
share your private life to him and any day he turns against you, you make
breaking news.] Lamin.
No Lamin Nderry is not this sinister. Besides I think he is too busy at
Freedom for such elaborate schemes. But you say he is narcissistic. A
narcissist
is not capable of accruing value for him/herself through the actions or the
lives of others. That is a different pathos. Lamin, you and I understand
that
Nderry is constantly under threats and pressures of other who wish him
dead.
Now put yourself in his shoes for a moment. Then you get Haruna calling
you
to
advise you for calm. I think it will depend to a degree on how Haruna
advises you or how you yourself had perceived Haruna prior to his call. Is
that
fair??? That will still not stop you from your ritual supplications before
you
answer the phone call because you are narcissistic. What I share Lamin is
that
we are probably focusing on the wrong themes to engage Nderry on if we
feel
he has injured us in any way. What I see generally is that the method of
communion is deficient. And it could very well be true that you are
positively
injured by Nderry's direct actions or inactions for all I know. We have
already
placed Nderry on the short end of the stick. That in itself is cutaneous
armour for indifference and nonchalance. You're with me Lamin?
[Pa Nderry is using his paper to bully innocent people in the same way
Jammeh is using all the institution of the government to bully Gambians.]
I think you are in error here. A narcissist by his very nature is anathema
to bullying. Think about it for a minute. So he is either a narcissist or a
bully. And I do not compare Nderry to Yahya. Their resources for craft are
incomparable. That has an effect on project planning and implementation.
But
not
decrepitude.
"His recklessness led to many people losing their jobs, detained and
tortured." Lamin.
Lamin, if you look at this statement you shared, you have blamed Nderry for
the crimes of the terminator, detainer, and the torturer. You have also
admitted that Nderry's and the fortunes of this criminal are divergent in
the main.
It therefore establishes that Nderry neither has the intent nor any affect
on the relationships between the criminal and his/her victims. Collateral.
"But he don't care he said he is fighting a cause and there is going to be
blood." Lamin.
I would take this as Nderry not having the capacity to reverse the
misfortunes of the criminal's victims and that Nderry, in remorse of the
pain the
victims must have felt at the hands of their criminal, enjoins in the
former's
battle. Nderry therefore is well-intentioned and good in the main. How you
read
carelessness and recklessness in that is incomprehensible to me.
[He mean it but he is not talking about his blood, he is talking about the
life of people he put on the line everyday.] Lamin.
I think you read Nderry wrong here. Even if we agree with you Lamin, it
could be easily characterized as either banter in Nderry or a battle cry.
The
battle you must now realise is honourable.
[And you know what, if you are not blunt to him like you tried to recently,
he twist it to mean a compliment.] Lamin.
No Lamin. I think you are a bit impatient. Nderry is as intelligent as you
and Yanks. I think you underestimate his acumen. That might be one of the
problems you're having with him. Remmember narcissists know themselves to a
more
hightened degree than suicidal deviants.
[Do you know that all the articles in the freedom newspaper purporting to
be
quoting "Editor Mbye" in the third person are all done by Pa Nderry himself
doing a self interview."] Lamin.
I don't see anything wrong with that do you?? If you're infact correct, I
say Nderry has a valuable skill in pantomimickry. We could have another
Marcel
Marceau in the making. He must be appreciated and encouraged therefore. I
admired Marcel.
[Reacting to the developments, our fearless Editor (Editor Mbye), said “
Gheran sounds like a desperate man. I am here in Raleigh. I look forward to
seeing him. I fear only God. He is making the fool of himself by making
such
threats... He made my day bad because since the murder of my mentor Deyda
Hydara
by the Gambian Government, I have been tormented by such nightmares. I hate
killers and their supporters. He also disrupted my University classes. I
could
hardly read, since he made the threats. I am not scared, but I felt bad
that
a novice is threatening me in the land of Freedom. This is Un-American.
Gheran Senghore should be brought to book for his cowardly act. It's only
cowards
who hide under the cover of dark to kill others." said MBai.
The above quote is Pa Nderry quoting himself and describing himself
fearless
in one paragraph and in the next one he is scare of death to the point of
getting restless and losing concentration to the point of disrupting his
school
work. It is a dangerous situation to have an individual with all this
crazy
personalities calling himself a journalist] Lamin.
Lamin. Settle down for a moment. You have just described part of the genius
in Nderry in your submission. To assign malignant faculty and craziness to
this genius is itself suspect. Won't you afford Nderry some credit? You
notice
here that Nderry was the subject of ridicule and malicious attacks by this
gentleman (Gheran). If my memory serves me right, the gentleman feigned
relationship to Nderry and proceeded to soil the family and character of
Nderry. This
was Nderry's reaction to such character. I think if anyone is crazy or
dangerous, you must agree with me it is the subject gentleman, not Nderry.
Narcissists can also be victims of crime of other you know. And
narcissists
must be
protected by the same laws that prosecute criminals.
[And Haruna you are damn right too- freedom newspaper is the mirror image
of
Daily observer's gutter journalism.] Lamin.
I did not mean that Lamin and I disagree with your analogy. Freedom is not
a
mirror image of Daily Observer's gutter journalism. Freedom is antidote in
mine eyes.
[With Jammeh at the head of Observer and Editor Mbye at the head of Freedom
news Paper.] No Lamin. You over-react.
"God Bless Gambia!!" Lamin.
I kinda like you for some reason. I don't know why yet. But until I know
why, I want to celebrate my new-found affinity. You are so excited Lamin,
I'd
think you Joe Sambou. Every time you two speak, you'd think the sky is
meeting
the earth and we're all about to get crushed unless we give you our
farthings.
You two are good though. May God continue to bless you and I look forward
to
hearing you more often.
Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Mutawakkil.
Haruna Darbo wrote: Paripanna,
You may have a good point here. Although I don't view Pa Nderry as
narcissistic, I would discourage all online editors to make more economic
use of their
own pictures. Perhaps you could send a well-phrased advice to Pa Nderry
along those lines. I also know that Gambians have an affinity for pictures
and
the online papers cannot always come up with relevant pictures to their
stories.
That reminds me. I introduced The GDp to a Gambian some while ago. She
went
to the site and called me a couple of days later to advise me that I do
not
have enough pictures there and she did not see mine in the marqee
gallery.
Go
figure.
Haruna. Forget all the other valuable information. We want our pictures
and
we want them now.
By the way, did you know Tiger returned from Bayhill with Arnie's
trophy???
I felt sad for Bart Bryant. Tiger did it at the 18th with a 24ft birdie
putt.
The only one of its kind he made all weekend. He had to make that one
though
for he would have lost in a playoff with Bryant. I was almost sure of it.
Al
Mu'umin.
In a message dated 3/16/2008 7:55:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Yanks you damn right! Pa Nderry is very very cruel and narcissistic! Make
no
mistake about it, he will cut down everybody to keep his face on the
paper
because that is the only thing real I see in freedom and that is his
agenda-"Editor Mbye!" lol. If you don't accept how "Editor Mbye do
business you
will be decimated period and Yanks you know better.
By the way do you remember me?
yanks dabo wrote: Pa Ndery's Cruelty! Chapter 13,
What will happen to Gheran Senghore?
"If yahya Jammeh was or becomes a newspaper editor, his paper's contents
would be nothing more nor less to that of freedomnewspaper!"
Yanks Dabo, 16 March 2008
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