Hamjatta,
Perhaps I should close this issue by now,because you have very little
understanding of what is real and what is meant to be propaganda,if you
believed that I should go and read books to understand what capitalism is
all about then with all rights,it is not so strange to see the way you are
arguing,because you simply discuss things you don't definitely digest,if you
had known better some of these people will be the last people you will refer
me to consult to understand capitalism.However Capitalism have existed for
more than hundred years and not some few years ago,the poverty and misery on
this earth is no propaganda , it is life.You could not even still understand
that I have no Ideological loyalty to Cuba,my critic of Cuba will be done
with people who have a serious understanding of what capitalism and
socialism are about and to be very frank not with you, because your
understanding of history and the making of this generation is very very
limited.
Let me get this to you and since the archives of the GL is available
too,there could be no accusation of lying.In all my works on Ivory Coast
whether posted in the GL or somewhere else,I have been trying to put points
through that I now understand you never saw and you never Understood,I am
beginning to believe that I do take your intelligence very far,seriously.
To understand the Ivorian crisis one have to go beyond what was taking place
there and there,one has to understand the history of that country to have a
better picture of the whole situation.My taking off point was in the first
place on the fact that when the Ivorian people were arrested ,Tortured and
unlawfully detained during the Pro-Democratic movement ,Ouattara was serving
the very Government that was showing no respect for the Human rights of the
Ivorian People and no nation was interested in the day to day life of the
IVorian People and the very West,that was shouting for sanctions,new
elections,etc,were the very People who were militaralising,financing the
very dictatorship that was denying the Ivorian People their basic human
rights,do you really mean it is suppressing for you that the WEST reacted
the way they did when the foundation of that very dictatorship they went to
bed with every night was totally mishandle,infavour of a person who has been
one of their most known critic in that country.Do you know how many Ivorian
came out in the street sacrificing their lives,demanding their
victory,against a brutal military force armed to the teeth,shooting at them
and yet still they never ran away,if this what you are calling a stolen
election ?then you should tell me where Ouattara was when the elections were
stolen.Who even told you that the election were won at the pooling station
?what a fool you will be to believed this,If the Ivorian did not come out in
the streets to defend their victory,do you think the military dictatorship
would have given up ?
If you don't understand that Ouattara was the choice of the West for the
simple reason that he is a carbon copy of their own bourgeois theoretical
apologist,then My friend I am very sorry,I could not explain the Political
situation in that country further for you.Don't you read me saying that the
very day that Gbago tried to ignore the most essential in that victory he
will have to pay dearly for this because Ivorians are no fools,go back to
those articles and read what I wrote,if you could not find it,i can do it
for you.You will never find there were I was defending that Ouattara should
be barred from contesting the elections because he was not an Ivorian,if you
see it post it to the GL for all to read Enough on that.
How many times must I tell you that in Florida Black People were denied
voting because of they are blacks,what a fool you are to believed that this
was an exception case(that is to say if you even believed that it took
place),this only shows that your understanding of politics is not beyond
what you read from books of those you think are one of the most intelligent
people.I began reading classical bourgeois economics for more than 15 years
ago and just keep going on believing that you know better or that you have
discovered some thing new to be read by me.
You simply don't understand what Ideology is all about and this is why even
when I keep explaining to you that I have no Ideological relationship with
Cuba,you keep insisting that I am defending this little poor country for
ideological reason.Sorry but I cant just explain more than what I told you
in the last two postings.
I did even help you not to make assumptions by explain to you what I
believed and do not and you are still insisting on this same point.
Insisting that I am against everything and anything American shows how low
you can go,my friend this is a question of life and dead,a question of
life on the ground,has a single day pass in America without any form of
labour protest.It is not America I am against IT IS THE POLITICAL SYSTEM IN
AMERICA I AM AGAINST,se how simple it is, YOU and I are AGAINST the
PRESENT political system in the Gambia and this DOES not MEAN that WE are
AGAINST EVERYTHING and ANYTHING Gambian,don't you understand this,do you
know how many time I have been invited by Americans to attend and speak in
their conferences.Don't you understand that it is no propaganda to say that
the American Political system creates a Fascist police force that can fire
more than 10 bullets in the body of a black man who have nothing but a mere
wallet in his hands to defend himself with,don't you see that a man like
Mumia is spending the most precious time of his life behind the prison walls
just because of the colour of his skin,don't you understand that it was part
and parcel of the Political system in the USA to eliminate Malcolm and all
those Panthers who believed in something else different from the established
political system and so on and on,,HAMJATTA THIS IS WHAT I AM AGAINST among
other things.This is what is referred to as political consistency.
Again if you want to know what capitalism is all about go to Bradford and
investigate the reason behind the uprising and don't tell me to go and read
books of bourgeois economic apologist,if capitalism is here to save the skin
of the wretched of the Earth you would have felt it in your skin long before
you even start to read and write.Go and tell it to those who were not born
in Africa and not me.
For Freedom
Saiks
----- Original Message -----
From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: World Bank President Praises Cuba
> Saiks,
>
> With respect to changing your uninformed, rabid and sentimental opposition
to
> capitalism and the liberal order, it would be akin to preaching to the
deaf
> if i go any further than i have gone in initiating you into the virtues of
> capitalism. You are so stiffly and sentimentally opposed to capitalism
that
> it will definitely beat me when it turns out that you have not clogged
your
> brain with left-wing interpretations of and prejudices on the essence of
> capitalist texts and on the basic tenets of capitalism as a system of
> economic management. In any event, i strongly recommend you to go and read
> the ACTUAL and CLASSICAL texts written by the likes of Smith, Cobden,
Dicey,
> Friedman, Hayek, Mises et al if you are really interested in understanding
> what capitalists are saying and actually believe in. Merely rehearsing
each
> time that capitalism as a system of economic management is intended solely
> for human exploitation is grossly uninformed and the high tide of
ignorance.
>
> Which takes me to your rabid denunciation of everything American. When
> quizzed about the undemocratic nature of America, all you keep repeating
is
> that blacks in America are denied the vote on the specious premise of the
> fiasco that engulfed the Florida vote count of America's 2000 presidential
> elections. You cling on to this inconclusive argument inspite of the fact
> that i have enumerated elective offices in the US that blacks
democratically
> occupy by virtue of being voted in office in democratic elections. If you
> can't retract your statement that blacks are currently being the denied
the
> vote in America in lieu of the aforesaid, it would be a total waste of
time
> for us to continue to discourse America's political institutions and
> develoments. As i said in my last correspondence, when it comes to rabid
> allegiances to a doctrine, you are a tough act to follow.
>
> Let me take this opportune moment and emphatically state that that i'm no
> defender of everything and anything American; indeed, i'm as critical as
you
> on the shortcomings of America. The difference between us is that whilst
you
> will rabidly condemn everything and anything American, i have an
open-minded
> approach to everything and anything American. America, like any nation,
has
> only lessons to teach us in some of the ideals she has since her birth
> embodied. Where these ideals can help our situations we should help
ourselves
> and tailor them to our circumstances. This is the point i consistently
> proseltize about the American experience. If you are only interested in
> exposing the hypocrisies of the American system, be my guest. I will
gladly
> listen to you. But if you can't bring yourself to even acknowledge that
> America does have and meets the basic tenets of liberal democracy, then i
> shall stop taking you seriously. Furthermore, if you can't bring yourself
to
> equally condemn the repugnant dictatorship of Castro and how it had and
> continues to stifle individual liberty, you will only end up confirming my
> worst fears about you: your ideological allegiance takes precedence over
your
> sense of fairness and justice.
>
> This is not the first time you showed signs of one rabidly wedded to a
> doctrine at the expense of fairness. When Gbago stole the Ivorian
elections,
> you came out in full support of his corrupt ascension to power.
Interestingly
> enough, you were full of condemnation Alassane Ouattara and even alleged
that
> he was part of what made Ivory Coast a mess. Never mind the fact that
> Ouattara rights as a citizen of Ivory Coast had been seized by General
Guei
> and confirmed by Gbago; which any fair minded person would never have
> forgotten to highlight as grossly unfair and a potent for future troubles.
> Yet, you never brought yourself to the point of condemning this or even
> asking the powers that be - Gbago and his corrupt socialist outfit - that
> Ouattara's rights as a citizen of Ivory Coast ought to be respected. Your
> vacillating stance here is open to speculation. I propose that because
> Ouattara has over the years shown beyond doubt his solid market liberal
> credentials, you saw it fit to overlook the inherent discriminations this
> gentleman has suffered at the hands of both Guei and Gbago and went on to
> endorse Gbago perhaps on the premise that he [Gbago] is or claims to be a
> socialist. Rabid allegiance to doctrine at the expense of your sense of
> fairness and justice, if you ask me!
>
> Saiks, unlike you, i do not stay wedded to a philosophy at the expense of
> fairness and or evidence. When evidence decisively repudiates a
philosophical
> position, i adjust appropriately and according to evidence. I strongly
> counsel you to reconsider your approach to phenomena and incorporate as
much
> objectivity into it as you possibly can. This is the only way you can help
> yourself clear the misinformation and propaganda on capitalism your brain
is
> currently clogged with.
>
> All the best,
>
> Hamjatta Kanteh
>
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